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Quote from: deadlock1 on November 22, 2016, 08:09:11 AM

Well, my patience is running out!

If development is delayed - no problem!!! I would wait some more days. Just give us something to play, maybe an actualized alpha-wallet or something else?

What really scares me, is the blog! Do the developers really have the time to talk about other coins? This is the wrong signal! I want to hear news, YES SIR, but only news concerning HEAT! Please would you concentrate in finishing your own coin first! We are not interested in informations about other coins, what we need is heat, nothing else!

AFAIR devs mentioned that blog is written by someone from the external source whom they hired, so no worries on that, it's not sucking out their resources/time.

As for the delays, I would not expect anything singnificant till February (that's where we are expecting second round of financing afair and those who didn't buy earlier can jump in but in a little bit different way and those who already hold some HEAT can have 50% discount in that second round of finansing). I understand this is natural that biggest things should be revealed only after February.

As for giving us something to play, I don't think that is necessary. That would be waste of devs time. Better wait for the full release.

If you are one of the 40% investors who are at huge profits even at current prices, just be happy and wait for the actual release of the workking product next year (and not only genesis this year).

If you are one of those who are at the price they paid, accumulate to lower your average cost. Current price of 0.00010 is still low (about 350% lowest price ICO). When the product is released it will be worth much more and current 350% will seem cheap.

I understand your frustration but 40% of holders who went here from FIMK were waiting 2 years, so couple of weeks/months does not make a difference. They prefer successful rebranding/relaunch than botched one, even if it takes time. And if you have some coins that you don't need I can buy them from you (escrow through devs or on one of the exchanges if you bought IOUs).

The real problem is the deceptive actions against the community. They set out the ICO for one month, claiming they had a coin that was ready to launch. This "finished" product now has a delay of three months (which is considerably longer than it sounds, as they were claiming it was finished ONE month before the original launch date)

The coin itself might be ready as they said and the reason for not launching yet might be different:
- not wanting to launch during bitcoin rally and the incoming ETH rally to follow
- preparing for the second round of financing first
- looking for more partnerships

Full explanation in one nutshell. Thanks buddy

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Quote from: Inkvor on November 23, 2016, 03:14:27 AM

where can we buy heat except ccex ?

Until HEAT is launched.

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TRADING

HEAT credits / tokens can be traded on the following sites:

• Openledger operated by CCEDK
• Alcurex exchange
• C-CEX exchange
• Fitcoin Exchange assets in the FIMK blockchain

I would wait for the launch though. Too many people are +400% at launch (they got decent rebate buying with FIMK, which HEAT is based on) and at least some of them will be sellign at x4 profits, so there might be interesting dip after launch.

While I do agree there will likely be a dip after launch. I dont think you will find many which are at 400%.

The average FIMK price was 42.25 FIMK/HEAT, lowest was 30 FIMNK/HEAT
Price of FIMK ATM is 127 sat. Looking at the price and volume chart I would say its a fair average.

That would mean that the average HEAT bought with FIMK would be 5366 sat and the lowest would be 3810 sat.

The price is close to 10k atm.

So the average FIMK buyer would be at 186%, and the lowest would be at 262%, not 400%.

The early FIMK buyers would only be at 400%, assuming the price wont be effected by the 1.5 multiplier being added.

True, and HEAT is like STRATIS on steroids.

FIMK participants would be foolish to sell for 3x when they could wait and sell for 30x

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Quote from: Inkvor on November 23, 2016, 03:14:27 AM

where can we buy heat except ccex ?

Until HEAT is launched.

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TRADING

HEAT credits / tokens can be traded on the following sites:

• Openledger operated by CCEDK
• Alcurex exchange
• C-CEX exchange
• Fitcoin Exchange assets in the FIMK blockchain

I would wait for the launch though. Too many people are +400% at launch (they got decent rebate buying with FIMK, which HEAT is based on) and at least some of them will be sellign at x4 profits, so there might be interesting dip after launch.

While I do agree there will likely be a dip after launch. I dont think you will find many which are at 400%.

The average FIMK price was 42.25 FIMK/HEAT, lowest was 30 FIMNK/HEAT
Price of FIMK ATM is 127 sat. Looking at the price and volume chart I would say its a fair average.

That would mean that the average HEAT bought with FIMK would be 5366 sat and the lowest would be 3810 sat.

The price is close to 10k atm.

So the average FIMK buyer would be at 186%, and the lowest would be at 262%, not 400%.

The early FIMK buyers would only be at 400%, assuming the price wont be effected by the 1.5 multiplier being added.

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Quote from: Inkvor on November 23, 2016, 03:14:27 AM

where can we buy heat except ccex ?

Until HEAT is launched.

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TRADING

HEAT credits / tokens can be traded on the following sites:

• Openledger operated by CCEDK
• Alcurex exchange
• C-CEX exchange
• Fitcoin Exchange assets in the FIMK blockchain

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where can we buy heat except ccex ?

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ark is launching their coin in february with smartbirdges between other crypto, similar idea to heat, probably at least inspired by it. currently networth about as much as heat. anyone know what are the differentiators? they don't explicitly talk about decentralized exchanges, but it seems capable, so maybe heat has more focus on it?

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Quote from: deadlock1 on November 22, 2016, 08:09:11 AM

Well, my patience is running out!

If development is delayed - no problem!!! I would wait some more days. Just give us something to play, maybe an actualized alpha-wallet or something else?

What really scares me, is the blog! Do the developers really have the time to talk about other coins? This is the wrong signal! I want to hear news, YES SIR, but only news concerning HEAT! Please would you concentrate in finishing your own coin first! We are not interested in informations about other coins, what we need is heat, nothing else!

AFAIR devs mentioned that blog is written by someone from the external source whom they hired, so no worries on that, it's not sucking out their resources/time.

As for the delays, I would not expect anything singnificant till February (that's where we are expecting second round of financing afair and those who didn't buy earlier can jump in but in a little bit different way and those who already hold some HEAT can have 50% discount in that second round of finansing). I understand this is natural that biggest things should be revealed only after February.

As for giving us something to play, I don't think that is necessary. That would be waste of devs time. Better wait for the full release.

If you are one of the 40% investors who are at huge profits even at current prices, just be happy and wait for the actual release of the workking product next year (and not only genesis this year).

If you are one of those who are at the price they paid, accumulate to lower your average cost. Current price of 0.00010 is still low (about 350% lowest price ICO). When the product is released it will be worth much more and current 350% will seem cheap.

I understand your frustration but 40% of holders who went here from FIMK were waiting 2 years, so couple of weeks/months does not make a difference. They prefer successful rebranding/relaunch than botched one, even if it takes time. And if you have some coins that you don't need I can buy them from you (escrow through devs or on one of the exchanges if you bought IOUs).

The real problem is the deceptive actions against the community. They set out the ICO for one month, claiming they had a coin that was ready to launch. This "finished" product now has a delay of three months (which is considerably longer than it sounds, as they were claiming it was finished ONE month before the original launch date)

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Quote from: StewieG on November 20, 2016, 05:41:43 PM

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And if you happen to use Openledger, please make sure to save the backup on atleast 2-3 devices / drives and write down the password on a piece of paper.

I've just lost the access to ALL of my heat due to a cache clean on chrome.
I feel horrible.
Sad

Man that sucks, but hey I know exactly how you feel!!! I too invested in heat bigtime and after reading the whitepaper I realized that I just flushed my money down the toilet and deep down in the sewer there is some greedy ooze eating dick that was just waiting for me to pull the flusher so that my money would be sent right into his pockets. But of course this was not enough... No it got worse... Then I saw the interview on the utubez where these 2 snobs were basically describing what could be called an upgrade to their poorly performing fimk coin client nobody ever heard of. Why make a new coin when you can just upgrade your old one?! But yeah I knew the answer already and it all felt like a Brock-Lesnar-kick straight to the nutz. Oh dat pain... But I got totally roasted when I made fun of the so called whitepaper on bitcointalk and the developer told me that next time I should write the whitepaper. That was it! Fatality! I realized what a fool I was and how it was all my fault. Shame... shame... shame.....

But maybe you can get your one dollar fitty back (which was once a few thousand bucks) by trying to open a second account and claim your heat again, maybe that works. If not try to contact support and ask if you can do that... I know I know... nobody will answer until you complain on bitcointalk that they are not answering your requests... but you know what to do, right? exactly! Do as I do and keep on trolling!

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So current price of 0.0013 is 400% ICO price for most of people, right? Almost half of them invested in FIMK. How are those people supposed to cash out at once?

If they're up 400% and want to get-rid-quick there will be exchanges where they can just dump it and gtfo. Liqui for example is very quick to add new coins but lacks volume a little bit. Also Heat can be traded on C-Cex and Alcurex. So if they want to dump they can and others will gladly pick up their coins. Wink

The problem with cashing out at once by a lot of people is that it destroys the price temporarily but that's something everybody has to decide for himself. Whether the pure greed or the patience out of greed is stronger. Grin

400% is fine profit by my standards but the liquidity is just too low. If someone would try to sell now the price would go to zero, even below the ICO price. Where are the buyers? This is quite scary for a project that was delayed for such a long time.

Who is up 400%? At what price did folks buy in at, to be at +400% right now?

About 50% coins will be distributed to those who bought with FIMK. Those people are in huge profits now. The rest have only tiny profit and those who bought at the end are even on a loss. But for most people those are huge profits that's why they are desperately looking for a launch to dump, which is not good.

ok that make sense. This project is so slow - it's painful. Folks are being patient but clearly development is hampered by a lack of resource.

its ok. there is nothing comparable as heat and i am sure its going to work properly. thats what matters at the end of the day.

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So comparatively, is Heat similar to Lisk? What is Heats business model, How does Heat attract clients? And what are if major offerings/sales points other than its ability to scale over time and 1000 t/x's a minute.
What does the future look like with heat?
And where do you see your investments with them in , 6 months, 2 years and 5 years?

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but 40% of holders who went here from FIMK were waiting 2 years,

How do you know that 40% can wait 2 years? I have not been asked.

In those 2 years count the time that we take with FIMK?

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Quote from: deadlock1 on November 22, 2016, 08:09:11 AM

Well, my patience is running out!

If development is delayed - no problem!!! I would wait some more days. Just give us something to play, maybe an actualized alpha-wallet or something else?

What really scares me, is the blog! Do the developers really have the time to talk about other coins? This is the wrong signal! I want to hear news, YES SIR, but only news concerning HEAT! Please would you concentrate in finishing your own coin first! We are not interested in informations about other coins, what we need is heat, nothing else!

AFAIR devs mentioned that blog is written by someone from the external source whom they hired, so no worries on that, it's not sucking out their resources/time.

As for the delays, I would not expect anything singnificant till February (that's where we are expecting second round of financing afair and those who didn't buy earlier can jump in but in a little bit different way and those who already hold some HEAT can have 50% discount in that second round of finansing). I understand this is natural that biggest things should be revealed only after February.

As for giving us something to play, I don't think that is necessary. That would be waste of devs time. Better wait for the full release.

If you are one of the 40% investors who are at huge profits even at current prices, just be happy and wait for the actual release of the workking product next year (and not only genesis this year).

If you are one of those who are at the price they paid, accumulate to lower your average cost. Current price of 0.00010 is still low (about 350% lowest price ICO). When the product is released it will be worth much more and current 350% will seem cheap.

I understand your frustration but 40% of holders who went here from FIMK were waiting 2 years, so couple of weeks/months does not make a difference. They prefer successful rebranding/relaunch than botched one, even if it takes time. And if you have some coins that you don't need I can buy them from you (escrow through devs or on one of the exchanges if you bought IOUs).

That's for sure

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Quote from: dodofelix on November 22, 2016, 08:12:23 AM

I think the blog is a useful information service to all.. this is a long term project and we have many demonstration about great coins that delayed their genesys..

very true, i completely agree with you.

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I think the blog is a useful information service to all.. this is a long term project and we have many demonstration about great coins that delayed their genesys..

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Well, my patience is running out!

If development is delayed - no problem!!! I would wait some more days. Just give us something to play, maybe an actualized alpha-wallet or something else?

What really scares me, is the blog! Do the developers really have the time to talk about other coins? This is the wrong signal! I want to hear news, YES SIR, but only news concerning HEAT! Please would you concentrate in finishing your own coin first! We are not interested in informations about other coins, what we need is heat, nothing else!

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Quote from: PondSea on November 21, 2016, 02:34:01 PM

This will blow you away...

Look up PAX from komodo. Decentralized pegging to 32 currencies based on ECB information and other data points. It will have atomic swaps as well and instantdex liquidity providers that will act as gateways to exchanges.

That's pretty interesting. That seems almost like a bucketshop rather than an exchange, which is still pretty cool. And it breaks even by taxing you through spread or w/e else, which already is not much different than lack of liquidity effect. I'm not quite happy with pegged assets as it's just using centralized indexes at best, and liquidity providers will be centralized gateways just like openledger based on these liquidity providers. And it's using zk proofs which are trusted set up technology, it's really one of the biggest steps backward in crypto that improves nothing but adds enormous red flags. So far it seems are about furthest thing from ultimate goal of decentralization and trustlessness in crypto realm. It's just not a market, especially since it requires other markets to exist for it to even work.

This is why I'm in heat, no gateways, no indexes, but an actual market with actual buyers and sellers with direct access to any blockchains traded. Liquidity comes later if it can do that. There would be zero reason for polo or any other exchange to exist.

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Thank you

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No news about genesis block? I love how we are kept in the dark... I heard it was only a few days away, that was 2 weeks ago...

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Quote from: scaryvirus on November 21, 2016, 02:22:29 PM

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Pegged to bitUSd, it should get higher tuneover, in theory. On a side note, playing aces in hope another decentralized garbage brings u more adoption than existing centralized exchangers is a zero sum game against bigger platforms like polo that have been around for years, and established influence on game participants accordingly. Another openledger clone? Gud lawk with that. On this scale, if a bag with libertarians bubbles and everyone goes nuts and translates all their property to openledge, it will crack apart like american democracy.

There is no true decentralized ledger right now. Openledger idea is nice but it has several issues. One is centralized and limited gateways for taking things out of open.btc or open.*, and there are tons of coins there without direct gateway or bridge to get it out. Problem with bitUSD is explained by waves faq:

"The second difference is the feasibility of the “market peg” approach. This is of course open to discussion, but one may objectively evaluate the success of that approach by looking at the history of their most praised market pegged crypto-asset, namely, BitUSD. I doubt if any big corporation in the future will ever decide to rely on the idea “if everyone thinks something is worth 1 USD, then that thing is forced to be worth 1 USD.”"

Not that waves is any better.

It has to be direct blockchain to blockchain connections. Forget fiat, even crypto to crypto decentralized exchange isn't done yet. Bitsquare, for example, relies on every altcoin transaction being checked by users which takes up to 24 hours for me. That is not attractive for liquidity at all.

If you can have polo without the uncertainty of which coins they will add, withdrawing more than 2k usd per day, worrying about keeping coins on an exchange and given an IOU like polo.BTC instead of your own wallets, it's easy to see a real working decentralized exchange taking off. Hell, I could provide liquidity for my favorite pairs myself.

This will blow you away...

Look up PAX from komodo. Decentralized pegging to 32 currencies based on ECB information and other data points. It will have atomic swaps as well and instantdex liquidity providers that will act as gateways to exchanges.

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Quote from: PAMPT on November 21, 2016, 12:26:16 PM

Pegged to bitUSd, it should get higher tuneover, in theory. On a side note, playing aces in hope another decentralized garbage brings u more adoption than existing centralized exchangers is a zero sum game against bigger platforms like polo that have been around for years, and established influence on game participants accordingly. Another openledger clone? Gud lawk with that. On this scale, if a bag with libertarians bubbles and everyone goes nuts and translates all their property to openledge, it will crack apart like american democracy.

There is no true decentralized ledger right now. Openledger idea is nice but it has several issues. One is centralized and limited gateways for taking things out of open.btc or open.*, and there are tons of coins there without direct gateway or bridge to get it out. Problem with bitUSD is explained by waves faq:

"The second difference is the feasibility of the “market peg” approach. This is of course open to discussion, but one may objectively evaluate the success of that approach by looking at the history of their most praised market pegged crypto-asset, namely, BitUSD. I doubt if any big corporation in the future will ever decide to rely on the idea “if everyone thinks something is worth 1 USD, then that thing is forced to be worth 1 USD.”"

Not that waves is any better.

It has to be direct blockchain to blockchain connections. Forget fiat, even crypto to crypto decentralized exchange isn't done yet. Bitsquare, for example, relies on every altcoin transaction being checked by users which takes up to 24 hours for me. That is not attractive for liquidity at all.

If you can have polo without the uncertainty of which coins they will add, withdrawing more than 2k usd per day, worrying about keeping coins on an exchange and given an IOU like polo.BTC instead of your own wallets, it's easy to see a real working decentralized exchange taking off. Hell, I could provide liquidity for my favorite pairs myself.

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