Account 14601113921039187075 has created the following three assets: 1) GNT, 2) KMD, 3) COLD. Then there are several new accounts with small HEAT holding doing trading, to make them look like real markets. So scam alert everyone, this is not a person who has no clue and just testing the software. Avoid these assets!
The attack surface of how the exchange works is as big as the atlantic ocean. These 2 incompetent schmugs are able to delte markets? I wouldn't trust any of these 2 to go buy me a beer with my money! This is the opposite of trustless, this is trusting in these 2 dicks AND in the one who operates a market! It is complete garbage! I remember in the interview with de Jerk how he said that they think how this works is the way how to do it and not the ethereum way. I disagree, I think you 2 have no clue how anything should work. 
Topic: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat* - page 96. (Read 418460 times)
February 25, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
February 25, 2017, 01:55:43 PM
You are right, StewieG, HEAT is centralized. The funny part is, they think, they are decentralized. Their understanding of dezentralization is completely different to the common sense.
My loss is no loss! HEAT is completely worthless anyway. The world is better without HEAT!!!
You cannot even transfer it, cause C-CEX and Alcurex do not accept transfers from or to the exchange. So it is not even coin, a coin can be transferred, HEAT can not.
Coinmarketcap is doing wrong to list HEAT. If they list HEAT, they also should list Onecoin and co.
Now I know why the exchanges reject to install the centralized wallet, they must protect their exchanges before the shitty ideas of these developers. C-Cex holder still have their coins.
The Exchanges must protect themselves before crazy Heatledger limited developers who produce false money!
So all people here, who are stuck on exchanges. Be happy to have no access to buggy Heatwallet. Last week were hell, 10.000 errors. You still have chance to sell Heat for good price about ICO price and so limit your loss.
I see no chance for HEAT, Komodo is clear the future, HEAT is just a brainless false money factory without working wallet, but if you want to hold your Heat absolutely, just hold it. Do never trade HEAT on HEAT Wallet cause trading will lead to irreversible loss!! What a stupid piece of software!
My loss is no loss! HEAT is completely worthless anyway. The world is better without HEAT!!!
You cannot even transfer it, cause C-CEX and Alcurex do not accept transfers from or to the exchange. So it is not even coin, a coin can be transferred, HEAT can not.
Coinmarketcap is doing wrong to list HEAT. If they list HEAT, they also should list Onecoin and co.
Now I know why the exchanges reject to install the centralized wallet, they must protect their exchanges before the shitty ideas of these developers. C-Cex holder still have their coins.
The Exchanges must protect themselves before crazy Heatledger limited developers who produce false money!
So all people here, who are stuck on exchanges. Be happy to have no access to buggy Heatwallet. Last week were hell, 10.000 errors. You still have chance to sell Heat for good price about ICO price and so limit your loss.
I see no chance for HEAT, Komodo is clear the future, HEAT is just a brainless false money factory without working wallet, but if you want to hold your Heat absolutely, just hold it. Do never trade HEAT on HEAT Wallet cause trading will lead to irreversible loss!! What a stupid piece of software!
February 25, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
Lol, that is so very god damn great! HEAT is completely shit!
So how this works is HEAT devs have a super power and can create and delete any market they want? Great so they have a centralized power, which makes the decentrlization part completely useless.
Still anybody can create a market and scam people. And then the heatdeads have to jump in in order to prevent this. Besides the fact that the heatheads are completely incompetent, this has nothing to do with decentralization. This is complete shit!
Why was it nowhere explained the A2A exchange works? Oh yeah, that would be something for the whitepaper. But the whitepaper is a pile of marketing bullshit! Nothing is explained there in detail. It is absolutely useless!
And now people are screaming to find out who that person is who scamed them? How about the heatheads refund the person that got scammed. I am not even sure if you can call it a scam by the person that created the market. MAybe he was just testing the sftware and had no clue what he was doing and what the consequences were. I mean it was described nowhere. I didn't know how it works. In my opinion it is kind of the fault of Savage and de JErk. They provided no info on how what works. They are the ones to blame. And before anybody asks, no it is not my account. It wasn't me.
Regarding the post that they were forced to release. No they were not forced, they made the decission to release a completely fucked unusable useless software in order to get more money for themselves. You should think about that. YOU are not important to the, they don't care about you and if you can use the software, they only care about geting money! The decission was solely based on greed! Nothing else! This is why they make no buywall, this is why they do not refund the poor guy that lost his money! HEAT IS THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE SHIT I HAVE EVER SEEN RUN BY 2 GREEDY FUCKS WITH NO REGRETS!
I feel sorry for deadlock1
So how this works is HEAT devs have a super power and can create and delete any market they want? Great so they have a centralized power, which makes the decentrlization part completely useless.
Still anybody can create a market and scam people. And then the heatdeads have to jump in in order to prevent this. Besides the fact that the heatheads are completely incompetent, this has nothing to do with decentralization. This is complete shit!
Why was it nowhere explained the A2A exchange works? Oh yeah, that would be something for the whitepaper. But the whitepaper is a pile of marketing bullshit! Nothing is explained there in detail. It is absolutely useless!
And now people are screaming to find out who that person is who scamed them? How about the heatheads refund the person that got scammed. I am not even sure if you can call it a scam by the person that created the market. MAybe he was just testing the sftware and had no clue what he was doing and what the consequences were. I mean it was described nowhere. I didn't know how it works. In my opinion it is kind of the fault of Savage and de JErk. They provided no info on how what works. They are the ones to blame. And before anybody asks, no it is not my account. It wasn't me.
Regarding the post that they were forced to release. No they were not forced, they made the decission to release a completely fucked unusable useless software in order to get more money for themselves. You should think about that. YOU are not important to the, they don't care about you and if you can use the software, they only care about geting money! The decission was solely based on greed! Nothing else! This is why they make no buywall, this is why they do not refund the poor guy that lost his money! HEAT IS THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE SHIT I HAVE EVER SEEN RUN BY 2 GREEDY FUCKS WITH NO REGRETS!
I feel sorry for deadlock1
February 25, 2017, 12:29:05 PM
Everyone should always be aware of fake assets on the AE. The only asset which currently can be trusted is the BTC/HEAT pair backed by the company Heat Ledger Ltd. All the others are probably fake assets. Fake assets is a real problem also for the NXT blockchain, see for example: https://nxtportal.org/assets
If you scroll through the list of assets, you will see that there are currently more than 800. Only a handful of these are serious assets, the rest are either dead or scam tools.
If you scroll through the list of assets, you will see that there are currently more than 800. Only a handful of these are serious assets, the rest are either dead or scam tools.
Nxt is not the problem, you can clearly see there, that it are assets and NOT real coins.
In HEAT you can or could not see, that the coins are false coins. HEATLEDGER always said, they want to trade real coin:
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DIRECT CRYPTO TRADING
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
They said they trade real crypto, what is a lie! It is all false money (Komodo, Golem) on their platform. There is nothing to trade!
So HEAT is the worst SCAM I have ever seen.
I will warn others!
Always sucks to take a loss in crypto. Can think of it as an expensive lesson learned. Looks like this account: 14601113921039187075 may have issued fake scam assets. I thought the fake-GNT asset prices looked too good to be true.
I'm sure you will bounce back from the loss like Big Sean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phr1pOFK1V8
The very next line of the OP that you quoted is referencing the custom assets feature:
DIRECT CRYPTO TRADING
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
LICENSED MULTISIG FIAT WALLET
The unique HEAT crypto client provides access to major cryptocurrencies including BTC, ETH, FIMK and NXT. It also allows creation, transfer and trade of any custom assets created by operators of any size. Having multi-sig for currencies whose tech is capable of such - the client thus supports fiat money accounts secured with multi-sig private keys. HEAT Ledger Ltd has joint venture agreements in place with EU wide money transmitter license pending, making the prospect of transferring real fiat money in a cryptographic ledger a reality. One of the first, if not THE first - but certainly the first multi-sig fiat!
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
LICENSED MULTISIG FIAT WALLET
The unique HEAT crypto client provides access to major cryptocurrencies including BTC, ETH, FIMK and NXT. It also allows creation, transfer and trade of any custom assets created by operators of any size. Having multi-sig for currencies whose tech is capable of such - the client thus supports fiat money accounts secured with multi-sig private keys. HEAT Ledger Ltd has joint venture agreements in place with EU wide money transmitter license pending, making the prospect of transferring real fiat money in a cryptographic ledger a reality. One of the first, if not THE first - but certainly the first multi-sig fiat!
February 25, 2017, 09:52:46 AM
Hopefully there will be enough of manpower to follow through these planned stages in a reasonable timeline. Would love to see a roadmap, even if not time based but stage-wise.
Enough manpower? Who the fuck needs manpower? Svante has Dennis DeKlerk. Never heard of him? Well he made FIMK, yeah right pretty amazing. He is a programming prodigy. In fact he is THE PROGRAMMING PRODIGY!
February 25, 2017, 09:50:51 AM
- BTC is an asset, HEAT is a special asset - as it's the native token of the HEAT wallet - both created and backed by Heat Ledger Ltd
Hmmmmmmm. Just as I like my decentralized crypto coins. Backed by a legal entity in Finland. In Finland. Can you believe it?
February 25, 2017, 07:25:23 AM
Hopefully there will be enough of manpower to follow through these planned stages in a reasonable timeline. Would love to see a roadmap, even if not time based but stage-wise.
February 25, 2017, 05:50:55 AM
Can we get some detail about this licence? Who issues it? What can be done?
More info is provided when we have stable AE and working 3rd HEAT markets and can both1) Concentrate technical resources into bringing the blockchain EUR online
2) Leverage this feature in the marketing of HEAT, supposedly increasing interest and thus token price
Anything else, such as providing more info now when moneyflow in/out to HEAT isn't working properly, would be waste of ammo for which is big and unique in the crypto world. Arrangements and licenses have been in order since ICO and we're patiently not disclosing closer details still for a short while.
Quote from: gh2
Everyone should always be aware of fake assets on the AE. The only asset which currently can be trusted is the BTC/HEAT pair backed by the company Heat Ledger Ltd
Good advice, and otherwise true, however requiring some clarifications:
- there are assets, and there are markets
- BTC is an asset, HEAT is a special asset - as it's the native token of the HEAT wallet - both created and backed by Heat Ledger Ltd
- BTC/HEAT is a market for which both pricing currency (BTC) and asset (HEAT) are backed by Heat Ledger Ltd
- Any asset creator can create markets for any pricing currency. In such a case it may well be that the pricing currency gateway is backed by company, whereas the asset itself isn't, as is the case currently with some markets. In such circumstances the pricing currency gateway can be trusted whereas the asset gateway necessarily can't if you don't have more detailed information about the asset issuer.
A bit later we plan to include a certification procedure where we can verify the trustworthiness of the 3rd party asset issuers and their gateways, and grant them certified status. This is already available technically and we use it for assets backed by Heat Ledger Ltd. However verifying issuers manually and monitoring status as a certification authority is a resource intensive process, only becoming available when there's dedicated personnel employed for that specifically in the near future during the operation of Heat Decentralized Asset Exchange proper - as opposed to experimental Heat Decentralized Exchange pilot now.
Heat Ledger Ltd has reserved standard assets for major existing cryptocurrency tokens that were available on Jan 26th, and in the client we can additionally override any names already created, or choose which markets to display. Currently no limits are enforced and all created markets are displayed while tech is being deployed and updated often. This will change to better support Heat Ledger Ltd's business model (in wide context, including 3rd party exchangers and other asset issuers) when the experimental phase is concluded. Until that it's naturally buyer beware, and verify details before you dive in, as in all decentralized crypto.
February 25, 2017, 04:59:02 AM
I'm sorry for your loss, but it's kinda funny that HEAT was forced by Trolls to release an unfinished Product and now there are Complaints about exactly that.
February 25, 2017, 03:46:53 AM
About 10.000 HEAT
Well, HEAT is the first false-crypto-platform. That is something new, real innovation!
I claim, that I'm the the first victim of crypto-false-money in the world. Where is the Guiness Book?
February 25, 2017, 03:21:40 AM
Everyone should always be aware of fake assets on the AE. The only asset which currently can be trusted is the BTC/HEAT pair backed by the company Heat Ledger Ltd. All the others are probably fake assets. Fake assets is a real problem also for the NXT blockchain, see for example: https://nxtportal.org/assets
If you scroll through the list of assets, you will see that there are currently more than 800. Only a handful of these are serious assets, the rest are either dead or scam tools.
If you scroll through the list of assets, you will see that there are currently more than 800. Only a handful of these are serious assets, the rest are either dead or scam tools.
Nxt is not the problem, you can clearly see there, that it are assets and NOT real coins.
In HEAT you can or could not see, that the coins are false coins. HEATLEDGER always said, they want to trade real coin:
Quote
DIRECT CRYPTO TRADING
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
They said they trade real crypto, what is a lie! It is all false money (Komodo, Golem) on their platform. There is nothing to trade!
So HEAT is the worst SCAM I have ever seen.
I will warn others!
February 24, 2017, 11:50:48 PM
Latest wallet version doesn't start for me, when I click 'start server' button nothing happens ...
I'm running only the 0.9.14 server software, so I'm not sure about the wallet
My ip address was blacklisted because I was running old version for hours after 0.9.14 was released. After starting the server, it was stuck here:
2017-02-25 01:59:10 INFO: HEAT server 0.9.14 started successfully.
2017-02-25 01:59:10 INFO: heat.enableFakeForging not defined, assuming false
I left it there and waited 20+ minutes before it started syncing. Probably took some time before my ip address was dropped from the blacklist.
February 24, 2017, 11:46:03 PM
Latest wallet version doesn't start for me, when I click 'start server' button nothing happens ...
February 24, 2017, 10:42:49 PM
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HEAT Ledger Ltd has joint venture agreements in place with EU wide money transmitter license pending, making the prospect of transferring real fiat money in a cryptographic ledger a reality. One of the first, if not THE first - but certainly the first multi-sig fiat!
Can we get some detail about this licence? Who issues it? What can be done?
There must be an official website which explains these licenses
They are absolutely great at providing the least specifics possible in any given situation.
February 24, 2017, 09:59:54 PM
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HEAT Ledger Ltd has joint venture agreements in place with EU wide money transmitter license pending, making the prospect of transferring real fiat money in a cryptographic ledger a reality. One of the first, if not THE first - but certainly the first multi-sig fiat!
Can we get some detail about this licence? Who issues it? What can be done?
There must be an official website which explains these licenses
February 24, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
How much does it cost to add a market to the asset echange? 1 Heat or something? There are 25 letters in the alphabet, so I can add all 3 letter coins with 25*25*25 = 15625 heat? There are only like 50 relevant coins anyway... And when I claimed them? What happens then? Can I keep them forever or how does that work. There is no info on anything provided anywhere... And then there is the problem that anybody can do that and nobody knows who did that and whom the exchanges belong to... What are the security measures that prevent something like this from happening? Also why are the A2A features tested on the real network, don't you have a testnetwork? This is so irresponsible and unfuckingbelieveable.
HEAT is built from NXT codebase, so it seems first implementation of HEAT asset exchange is similar to NXT asset exchange:
https://nxtwiki.org/wiki/Asset_Exchange
http://www.nxtreporting.com/
Any account can issue a custom asset if they pay a fee, so you have to check/trust the account that issued the asset before buying it.
DIRECT CRYPTO TRADING
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
LICENSED MULTISIG FIAT WALLET
The unique HEAT crypto client provides access to major cryptocurrencies including BTC, ETH, FIMK and NXT. It also allows creation, transfer and trade of any custom assets created by operators of any size. Having multi-sig for currencies whose tech is capable of such - the client thus supports fiat money accounts secured with multi-sig private keys. HEAT Ledger Ltd has joint venture agreements in place with EU wide money transmitter license pending, making the prospect of transferring real fiat money in a cryptographic ledger a reality. One of the first, if not THE first - but certainly the first multi-sig fiat!
Because the HEAT client hosts client side real crypto, integrated to the HEAT blockchain asset exchange through built-in invisible gateway, users can trade cryptocurrencies right from their wallet on p2p orderbooks without going through an exchange. This means that once your trade for ie. BTC/ETH goes through, you can use the BTC or ETH as you do normally. Bye bye withdrawal delays! Welcome multicurrency client and native direct exchange!
LICENSED MULTISIG FIAT WALLET
The unique HEAT crypto client provides access to major cryptocurrencies including BTC, ETH, FIMK and NXT. It also allows creation, transfer and trade of any custom assets created by operators of any size. Having multi-sig for currencies whose tech is capable of such - the client thus supports fiat money accounts secured with multi-sig private keys. HEAT Ledger Ltd has joint venture agreements in place with EU wide money transmitter license pending, making the prospect of transferring real fiat money in a cryptographic ledger a reality. One of the first, if not THE first - but certainly the first multi-sig fiat!
The bold sentence is what we are seeing on the asset exchange now. The "Direct Crypto Trading" feature is not yet implemented.
It makes sense to first get the basic features implemented and running smoothly, then implement the more advanced features like direct crypto trading.
Typically software development is a step-by-step process. Software has never been released like: boom, magic! 100% features, 100% bug-free on version 0.0.1
February 24, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
How much does it cost to add a market to the asset echange? 1 Heat or something? There are 25 letters in the alphabet, so I can add all 3 letter coins with 25*25*25 = 15625 heat? There are only like 50 relevant coins anyway... And when I claimed them? What happens then? Can I keep them forever or how does that work. There is no info on anything provided anywhere... And then there is the problem that anybody can do that and nobody knows who did that and whom the exchanges belong to... What are the security measures that prevent something like this from happening? Also why are the A2A features tested on the real network, don't you have a testnetwork? This is so irresponsible and unfuckingbelieveable.
February 24, 2017, 07:19:24 PM
anyone can create any assets they can name anything (that hasn't been reserved) on the Asset Exchange.
Please define "reserved".
Which names are reserved?
February 24, 2017, 05:32:50 PM
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Decentralized exchanges usually works by gateways, but in this case Heat has promised us multicurrency wallet what makes this special. I think Heat team has not talked yet about adding any other currencies than ones what were used in ico. So, Golem gateway should be provided by some third party?
You don't understand the problem:
Heatledger is responsible, they are listed as official provider/exchange for golem:
Link
Actually only the HEAT is certified. Your money is gone dude. TO this account: 14601113921039187075
February 24, 2017, 05:31:09 PM
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Decentralized exchanges usually works by gateways, but in this case Heat has promised us multicurrency wallet what makes this special. I think Heat team has not talked yet about adding any other currencies than ones what were used in ico. So, Golem gateway should be provided by some third party?
You don't understand the problem:
Heatledger is responsible, they are listed as official provider/exchange for golem:
Link
Yes, I did not know that some Heat blockchain markets are monitored by CoinMarketCap. I am actually surprised that is. The Heat exchange has been totally broken.
I hope there is some solutions for all.
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