Topic: [ANN] [HVC] Heavycoin - Ultra-secure, Decentralized Block Reward Voting, Fast - page 53. (Read 542276 times)
April 22, 2014, 03:55:05 PM
This coin is so dead...
April 22, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
hmm... It's been 6 days since my last post.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
After this comment, hvc todamoon! Thanks!
Really? To the moon? I've got some beach front property in Arizona if you're interested?
What a blow off message. "Continue to support"? What does this mean exactly? By support, do you only mean making wallet changes and things of that nature when needed? Are you essentially washing your hands of the coin except for what "has to be done" like OpenSSL fixes to the wallet? Do you have something big in store?
Long term plans are great and all but what about a short term plan? What is it? Anything planned at all to raise current value?
Long term plans frankly aren't as important right now as short term plans. Hash rates and HVC value is dropping like a rock. People are dumping and all we get is "continue to support"?
What is more "urgent" then this (hash rates and HVC value) right now? Why did you bill this coin as a "community" coin and then all but ditch the community? Now you even want to take messages off-line to BitMessage? This is more public avoidance and exactly WHAT WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT!!!
Sorry if this comes off negatively, but we don't need bribes/bounties for ideas in private messages. People want/need you right here in the public forums discussing these and other issues. There are people who could possibly make a difference or help with code, marketing, etc but this isn't possible when you go into hiding and don't share/talk to the community.
How about stepping up and addressing the community at large with any short term plans? How about giving us something that shuts me (and a few others) up? I'm getting sick of my own messages.
April 22, 2014, 03:49:20 PM
hmm... It's been 6 days since my last post.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
last post keccak512 on: April 14, 2014, 09:38:24 PM
current date: April 22, 2014, 08:35:50 PM
looks like 8 days there to me
you don't respond to bitmessage either so that's bullshit
April 22, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
We have added a new chart to the website showing good performance of Heavycoin's Temporal Retargeting algorithm.
http://heavycoin.github.io/avg-blocktime-graph.html
Average block time is being constantly kept on 120 seconds.
We are really pleased from the result.
Thanks,
Nomisugi.
http://heavycoin.github.io/avg-blocktime-graph.html
Average block time is being constantly kept on 120 seconds.
We are really pleased from the result.
Thanks,
Nomisugi.
April 22, 2014, 03:22:07 PM
hmm... It's been 6 days since my last post.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
After this comment, hvc todamoon! Thanks!
April 22, 2014, 02:59:21 PM
hmm... It's been 6 days since my last post.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
Just a quick note to say that we Heavycoin developers are still here and we will continue to support Heavycoin for the long term. If there's something urgent then please send us a BitMessage.
Finally we are calling out to the supportive members of the community who have shown long-term commitment to Heavycoin. We'd like to hear from you on BitMessage if you have ideas for promoting Heavycoin and getting it accepted more places. There's quite a bit of HVC in the Heavy Fund and this should be put to good use. Committed members with good ideas and the time to contribute toward them will receive large bounties for meeting their targets.
April 22, 2014, 02:27:55 PM
April 22, 2014, 01:57:12 PM
Oh yes he did
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Actually, the charts are pretty - thanks 
(I just make them for fun/exploring different graphing methods in LibreOffice as we're moving away from MS Office at work - also doing a graph for MaxCoin stuff for one of the pools out there - it's good exercise)
However, the data they draw from would be downright depressing if I had any stake in HVC
[size=7t]( Not trolling or trying to talk people down - just a fact that this coin (like so many others) has seen more glorious days. Perhaps the clones will do things better from the get-go. )[/size]
(I just make them for fun/exploring different graphing methods in LibreOffice as we're moving away from MS Office at work - also doing a graph for MaxCoin stuff for one of the pools out there - it's good exercise)However, the data they draw from would be downright depressing if I had any stake in HVC
[size=7t]( Not trolling or trying to talk people down - just a fact that this coin (like so many others) has seen more glorious days. Perhaps the clones will do things better from the get-go. )[/size]
oh no you didn't!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
April 22, 2014, 01:50:42 PM
So I don't get it... other than the devs not being very active in this forum, (they are available and very responsive via bitmessage) whats this major problem everyone is talking about? The fact that the miners can "manipulate" the vote upwards supposedly in their favor?? The vote is actually currently at its lowest since release.. no?
Where are they responsive via bitmessage? I've never received a response from them
April 22, 2014, 01:40:07 PM
whats this major problem everyone is talking about?
Might be this (which you've seen, surely?):https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6188691
April 22, 2014, 01:27:53 PM
and a few pretty charts
oh no you didn't! Actually, the charts are pretty - thanks
(I just make them for fun/exploring different graphing methods in LibreOffice as we're moving away from MS Office at work - also doing a graph for MaxCoin stuff for one of the pools out there - it's good exercise)However, the data they draw from would be downright depressing if I had any stake in HVC
( Not trolling or trying to talk people down - just a fact that this coin (like so many others) has seen more glorious days. Perhaps the clones will do things better from the get-go. )
No disrespect, you are playing a more active role than me in this community, just making the point that this is on a downward trend.
I sent dev request days ago, seems he did not open it at all, contrary to what other guy shows (maybe photoshopped or his own address posing as reponse ) so beware, for now he's completely awol. many coins have completely died after being abandoned by dev in the past
April 22, 2014, 01:23:52 PM
So I don't get it... other than the devs not being very active in this forum, (they are available and very responsive via bitmessage) whats this major problem everyone is talking about? The fact that the miners can "manipulate" the vote upwards supposedly in their favor?? The vote is actually currently at its lowest since release.. no?
April 22, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
and a few pretty charts
oh no you didn't! Actually, the charts are pretty - thanks
(I just make them for fun/exploring different graphing methods in LibreOffice as we're moving away from MS Office at work - also doing a graph for MaxCoin stuff for one of the pools out there - it's good exercise)However, the data they draw from would be downright depressing if I had any stake in HVC
( Not trolling or trying to talk people down - just a fact that this coin (like so many others) has seen more glorious days. Perhaps the clones will do things better from the get-go. )
April 22, 2014, 01:20:01 PM
The clones are coming https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6305551
They even copy and paste the IPO. They did scrap the vote. While I don't think this is the version of HVC we are looking for it points to 1 single truth. A clone with a motivated dev team and no voting will be bad news for HVC. HVC voting requires the community to have the same conversation over and over and over. 250+ pages of please vote low and no effect, this coin will be irrelevant in 100 days when it hits sustain phase. Ditch the voting and we can salvage hvc, leave it in place and this coin won't survive. I hope im wrong, but there are hundreds of pages in this thread that spell out why it's going to flop.
They even copy and paste the IPO. They did scrap the vote. While I don't think this is the version of HVC we are looking for it points to 1 single truth. A clone with a motivated dev team and no voting will be bad news for HVC. HVC voting requires the community to have the same conversation over and over and over. 250+ pages of please vote low and no effect, this coin will be irrelevant in 100 days when it hits sustain phase. Ditch the voting and we can salvage hvc, leave it in place and this coin won't survive. I hope im wrong, but there are hundreds of pages in this thread that spell out why it's going to flop.
Wow, what a blatent rip off coin.
I might have to "introduce" myself in their forum.
April 22, 2014, 01:13:24 PM
I understand that a lack of communication is enough to scare people, but 9 days of not committing changes to github does not mean they are "inactive". His last commit included multiple fixes. I also received a reply from keccak512 yesterday.
The current hashing power still dedicated to heavycoin is enough to prove that interest isn't dying. There is an investment being made and it will pan out as interest grows and more users understand the power of democratic mining. It's an innovative concept and runs cool on GPUs. Buy heavycoins while you can get them cheap. Don't let the pump and dumpers take control of the market.
The current hashing power still dedicated to heavycoin is enough to prove that interest isn't dying. There is an investment being made and it will pan out as interest grows and more users understand the power of democratic mining. It's an innovative concept and runs cool on GPUs. Buy heavycoins while you can get them cheap. Don't let the pump and dumpers take control of the market.
I've sent Keccak512 bitmessage days ago. and it seems he didn't even open his bitmessage client to receive any message, there is no receipt notification
So yea, many feel like the devs have a lot to do with it, and saying "this selling pressure has nothing to do with the devs... I mean come on now" is a little out of touch with reality IMHO.
Fair enough... but you said it yourself... "they probably feel like it's better to try and get something for their coins or they could end up with nothing."
Heavy dumps pressure rates (it's NOT the devs dumping by the way)... but in every trade there is a BUYER!
Edit: By the way... the "I mean come on now" was in reference to the "there are people dumping hard and then come here with "I told you so" remarks..."
I dumped 1 mill+ on mintpal over the last days impatiently & at a loss, still got little left, dumping that then out of this shitcoin for now.
the dev not so much as signing online, for over a week after for taking that IPO earnings is pretty much gross negligence, that's crucial for new coin
dev has shown himself not capable or not interested to be ship captain material
the only ones that could steer this ship now through the choppy waves is the community together, and right now it's a bare community of only bagholders, we've got thunderclap to mostly fake followers and a few pretty charts, some genuine proposals to improve the coin such as forcing reward low, but it's falling on deaf ears and reward still stuck at 524
RIP HVC
March 08, 2014 - April 22, 2014
you will be quickly forgotten and replaced
April 22, 2014, 01:03:11 PM
The clones are coming https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6305551
They even copy and paste the IPO. They did scrap the vote. While I don't think this is the version of HVC we are looking for it points to 1 single truth. A clone with a motivated dev team and no voting will be bad news for HVC. HVC voting requires the community to have the same conversation over and over and over. 250+ pages of please vote low and no effect, this coin will be irrelevant in 100 days when it hits sustain phase. Ditch the voting and we can salvage hvc, leave it in place and this coin won't survive. I hope im wrong, but there are hundreds of pages in this thread that spell out why it's going to flop.
They even copy and paste the IPO. They did scrap the vote. While I don't think this is the version of HVC we are looking for it points to 1 single truth. A clone with a motivated dev team and no voting will be bad news for HVC. HVC voting requires the community to have the same conversation over and over and over. 250+ pages of please vote low and no effect, this coin will be irrelevant in 100 days when it hits sustain phase. Ditch the voting and we can salvage hvc, leave it in place and this coin won't survive. I hope im wrong, but there are hundreds of pages in this thread that spell out why it's going to flop.
April 22, 2014, 12:38:04 PM
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I have read all your concerns about the block rewards very carefully along the way... but this selling pressure has nothing to do with the devs... I mean come on now... there are people dumping hard and then come here with "I told you so" remarks... lol... let them dump... what these new folks that are sucking up the cheap HVCs will do is what actually matters... NOT that some decided to let go of their HVCs for close to nothing.
There is a lot of uncertainty going on right now with the coin. Even in mumbly's post (couple above this) he is uncertain what is going on and he has worked with them to some degree (for whatever his post is worth). The Devs aren't showing up and aren't communicating anything to us on a regular basis. No one knows if they are taking time off, if they are currently working on something for the coin or whatnot.
Many, many people have issues with the decentralized voting (I just happen to be one of the more outspoken) and see problems ahead. We see the coin constantly dropping in price. Hash rates are dropping daily. People want to know what's going on and if the creators of the coin have anything in mind to help remedy the issues and falling value.
People see a potential major problem explained in detail and then see the only post from the devs in almost 2 weeks saying:
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We don't plan to address it because we do not share your doomsday opinion.
Like it or not, the current mint rate is what has been voted for. Also, we do not believe a steep decline in the block reward (if that happens) would necessarily be bad. A low block reward could detract some miners, but an exhausted supply could also put upward pressure on the price, which would serve to attract miners. No one can predict the future. There are some very successful altcoins, most notably Quark, that have undergone sharp drops in mining reward. Our view is that this factor alone does not determine the future of a coin. However, miners are free to adjust their votes according to their beliefs.
Like it or not, the current mint rate is what has been voted for. Also, we do not believe a steep decline in the block reward (if that happens) would necessarily be bad. A low block reward could detract some miners, but an exhausted supply could also put upward pressure on the price, which would serve to attract miners. No one can predict the future. There are some very successful altcoins, most notably Quark, that have undergone sharp drops in mining reward. Our view is that this factor alone does not determine the future of a coin. However, miners are free to adjust their votes according to their beliefs.
I'd assume, more and more people are having doubts for the long term survival of the coin. Without hearing any comforting words from the devs they probably feel like it's better to try and get something for their coins or they could end up with nothing. Hence the dumping.
There is no communication, no leadership, no apparent marketing campaign (that we know of) going on that the community is aware of.
So yea, many feel like the devs have a lot to do with it, and saying "this selling pressure has nothing to do with the devs... I mean come on now" is a little out of touch with reality IMHO.
April 22, 2014, 12:28:37 PM
Multiple reasons in no particular order:
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I have read all your concerns about the block rewards very carefully along the way... but this selling pressure has nothing to do with the devs... I mean come on now... there are people dumping hard and then come here with "I told you so" remarks... lol... let them dump... what these new folks that are sucking up the cheap HVCs will do is what actually matters... NOT that some decided to let go of their HVCs for close to nothing.
There is a lot of uncertainty going on right now with the coin. Even in mumbly's post (couple above this) he is uncertain what is going on and he has worked with them to some degree (for whatever his post is worth). The Devs aren't showing up and aren't communicating anything to us on a regular basis. No one knows if they are taking time off, if they are currently working on something for the coin or whatnot.
Many, many people have issues with the decentralized voting (I just happen to be one of the more outspoken) and see problems ahead. We see the coin constantly dropping in price. Hash rates are dropping daily. People want to know what's going on and if the creators of the coin have anything in mind to help remedy the issues and falling value.
People see a potential major problem explained in detail and then see the only post from the devs in almost 2 weeks saying:
Quote
We don't plan to address it because we do not share your doomsday opinion.
Like it or not, the current mint rate is what has been voted for. Also, we do not believe a steep decline in the block reward (if that happens) would necessarily be bad. A low block reward could detract some miners, but an exhausted supply could also put upward pressure on the price, which would serve to attract miners. No one can predict the future. There are some very successful altcoins, most notably Quark, that have undergone sharp drops in mining reward. Our view is that this factor alone does not determine the future of a coin. However, miners are free to adjust their votes according to their beliefs.
Like it or not, the current mint rate is what has been voted for. Also, we do not believe a steep decline in the block reward (if that happens) would necessarily be bad. A low block reward could detract some miners, but an exhausted supply could also put upward pressure on the price, which would serve to attract miners. No one can predict the future. There are some very successful altcoins, most notably Quark, that have undergone sharp drops in mining reward. Our view is that this factor alone does not determine the future of a coin. However, miners are free to adjust their votes according to their beliefs.
I'd assume, more and more people are having doubts for the long term survival of the coin. Without hearing any comforting words from the devs they probably feel like it's better to try and get something for their coins or they could end up with nothing. Hence the dumping.
There is no communication, no leadership, no apparent marketing campaign (that we know of) going on that the community is aware of.
So yea, many feel like the devs have a lot to do with it, and saying "this selling pressure has nothing to do with the devs... I mean come on now" is a little out of touch with reality IMHO.
April 22, 2014, 12:02:08 PM
I understand that a lack of communication is enough to scare people, but 9 days of not committing changes to github does not mean they are "inactive". His last commit included multiple fixes. I also received a reply from keccak512 yesterday.
https://i.imgur.com/DqivUwF.png
The current hashing power still dedicated to heavycoin is enough to prove that interest isn't dying. There is an investment being made and it will pan out as interest grows and more users understand the power of democratic mining. It's an innovative concept and runs cool on GPUs. Buy heavycoins while you can get them cheap. Don't let the pump and dumpers take control of the market.
https://i.imgur.com/DqivUwF.png
The current hashing power still dedicated to heavycoin is enough to prove that interest isn't dying. There is an investment being made and it will pan out as interest grows and more users understand the power of democratic mining. It's an innovative concept and runs cool on GPUs. Buy heavycoins while you can get them cheap. Don't let the pump and dumpers take control of the market.
April 22, 2014, 11:21:12 AM
Regarding the absence of the devs, I have two words that likely explain it:
Spring Break
Two more words:
Final Exams
Just sayin'...
Spring Break
Two more words:
Final Exams
Just sayin'...
Are they of student age? That's just an assumption, right?
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