Topic: [ANN - ICO] PeerAtlas: Improve life by making all medical information free - page 3. (Read 1132 times)

Hey there, this project is really a great idea and i would like to know 2 things:
- do you already have private investors? the softcap sets to 5M it won't be an easy taks (especially when investors don't see any benefits for their own wallet...)
- what is the point for common people to get ATLAS token? i mean i see the point for professional but i don't get how it will be used by people like me.

Thank you in advance and truely, i believe this is a great project to spread knowledges.

@bitkoyun

Hello!
Information about important news and updates from PeerAtlas-team could posted in topic "Comparison of existing blockchain projects in the medical field." - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/comparison-of-existing-blockchain-projects-in-the-medical-field-2817316

ATLAS will transact in two major pathways that directly benefit the project. Firstly, direct donations of ATLAS will be enabled for verified creators of medical articles and
algorithms that the community finds useful.

https://www.peeratlas.org/kyc

Sounds reasonable. Hope it can be true.

Thank you  


This is a true statement, and the established industry standard. UpToDate is the current gold standard online for Western medical information, and American medical licensing boards widely accept CMEs from UpToDate.

This is three questions--

1) How will ATLAS token help make the project free?

Issuing a token is the only way that I have figured out how to offer a paid resource for free worldwide, and I've been on this project since 2011. Everybody wants us to not have a token but no one is going to wire me $15MM, and I designed ATLAS as a very efficient, fixed supply token using the very best technology we can get our hands on.

There's conflicts of interest with the advertising-funded and subscription-funded models. ATLAS allows us to not offer subscriptions or sell advertising.

2) Why a token?

ATLAS is:
Borderless - Doctors across the world can tip each other with no restrictions (unlike sending fiat)

Incentive - Holding a significant minority of ATLAS tokens gives the PeerAtlas foundation the ability to fund its more ambitious long-term goals if it is successful in its short-term goals (unlike using someone else's token, and unlike if someone wired me $15MM)

3) How will we protect patient data?

PeerAtlas is starting out as an open source medical encyclopedia. Another more fancy way of saying this, is that it is an evidence-based clinical decision support tool to help medical professionals make decisions.

At this stage in the project, we won't use patient data at all. We aspire to have the high quality of the peer-reviewed resource UpToDate (uptodate.com) but without a subcription-based paywall.

This is a project for a free large-scale medical encyclopedia.  This has nothing to do with medical card for each customer.  Perhaps you are thinking of Medibloc or Medicalchain?  The data from the patients to be used down the line would not actually have to have any PII to benefit the project.  

I like the idea dev proposed. I think this is a good project.

I'm glad you are considering other specialists.  Correct and trusted is also a little vague, but I would assume that the expert panel from the community would determine this.  I look forward to seeing how things will be implemented.

Now, you shed some more light on something regarding the CME hours in your statement.  You only get the ability to redeem CME for ATLAS IF you have contributed to the project and that article/algorithm/etc was deemed appropriate as above.  I was under the assumption that you would simply gain CME by browsing the encyclopedia similarly to UpToDate.  I understand this a lot better now and it makes perfect sense. 

You may want to update that statement in the whitepaper 

Good to make that free idea  and I like token share  but how will atlas token help to project make that free? Whats the role of this token on project? And I think  if medical information means medical card of each customer then the I think security also matters. Coz those info should be private

I see two important questions in the latest post.



In general, having attained a high level of education in a specialty is best when writing articles about that specialty, although simply having a degree is not enough to make a fantastic resource. Let me elaborate.

The information has to be high quality, and the information has to be trusted by professional users. I can say at this point that we will accept contributions from users that create trust from civilians and professionals alike in areas which they are qualified. Additionally, I am very aware that midlevel care providers can be far more competent in certain areas than the attending physicians because they benefit from specialization and hands-on experience.

To repeat myself, a contributor needs to be both correct, and trusted. In the real world these do not always overlap. People should feel a sense of relief when they use the encyclopedia. I'm being vague on specific degrees at this point because they need to fulfill these two requirements.


That's correct. Professionals send ATLAS to the foundation and then the foundation redeems CME hours that professionals have accumulated with their boards.

We do too!

Excellent analogy.  I imagine it is smart to make an impactful opening line to grab the attention of the reader.


Thank you for this response.  I did not intend on getting it 'twisted'.  Touche' with the 'Peer' is literally in our name.  Wikipedia has appointed fact-checkers, but you are correct in that it is certainly not a peer review.

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How to you plan on separating the qualified community from the unqualified community?


Do you plan on accepting other disciplines for different conditions?  There are multiple 'doctors' in the medical field: MD/DO, DPT, OD, PharmD, DNP, ect.
I would expect a multidisciplinary approach to the medical decision making as is the push in the medical field currently.  As you are well aware, the typical hospital rounding team in a teaching hospital consists of an attending physician, residents and interns, clinical pharmacy specialists, nutrition, charge/floor nurse, and associated students in those fields.
The 'push' was apparent at my school at least.  Interprofessional care is the future to ensure the best care is given to the patient and that is what I preached to my students.  I see this as a tool to encourage contribution from multiple specialties and sub-specialties in order to get the most appropriate decision.


Thank you for the clarification regarding who is able to vote.


Forgive me, but from your wording in the whitepaper: 'Secondly, medical professionals using the site will accumulate continuing medical education (CME) credits that will be redeemable through the site in exchange for ATLAS tokens.'
I see this as only being able to redeem the CME by losing ATLAS tokens.  Are you saying that it is the other way around?  You earn CME through the site and then get a to-be-determined amount of ATLAS tokens for earning said CME?


I honestly hope that you can cast out the snakes of the big industry and allow a comprehensive platform free for the general public.


Thank you for getting back to me and addressing every question!  I look forward to your further replies.

Shakespeare had some intense opening lines, too. Try telling the encyclopedia industry that their pay model was not permanently destroyed by crowdsourcing. I'm comfortable with calling a successful displacement of the subscription model 'permanent'. Young doctors raised around a trustworthy free medical resource will never go back.


Well at first I do, along with Brad, and we're physicians. "Qualified" in this context means a medical degree, most likely an M.D. or equivalent. Yes we are inspired by the spirit of Wikipedia, but PeerAtlas is not Wikipedia, so don't get it twisted. Medical decision making and treatment is every bit as serious as the military. Wikipedia doesn't have peer review. "Peer" is literally in our name


By evaluating their...qualifications. We are doctors. Doctors are public figures. And again, the peer review process is a further safeguard


Yes.


No.


You can't 'buy' CME. You have to earn it through research and use of the platform, the same as with the gold standard, UpToDate. Once healthcare professionals have earned the CME, we will redeem them for ATLAS tokens.


Brad's personal interest is reducing physician error and improving outcomes though eventually introducing machine learning to medical treatment and decision making.
In the fifth century A.D., Saint Patrick cast all of the snakes out of Ireland by driving them into the sea. My personal interest, to keep our platform free from special interest dollars, is a smaller task.

Thanks for your interest in our project and all the good questions.

Colin Closser M.D.

I debated on sending this as a private message, but wanted to be transparent and have replies visible to all.  I went trough the whitepaper and have a number of questions/concerns.  Overall, I am excited for this project as  I see a great need for it.  Please take my comments in stride.  They are only meant to aid in furthering the understanding of everybody involved in the project.

This is pretty intense for an opening line.  The content costs money because they have to monetize its upkeep or it will remain stagnant.  I like this project's idea, but 'permanent' is never the case with anything.


Who gets to decide who is 'qualified' enough to participate.  I'm worried that this could turn into another Wikipedia where anybody can change anything.  You wouldn't want somebody going around and saying the medical treatment for every sort of pain is jelly beans would you?



Using UpToDate as an example, they look over multiple peer-reviewed articles, studies, and guidelines before writing their recommendations.  How to you plan on separating the qualified community from the unqualified community?  Just because somebody went to a professonal school doesn't mean that they are an expert in everything.  I don't pretend to know everything and I practice within my scope.


Will this be based on a 'community' vote or will each article be a true peer review from qualified individuals?  I see that you have civilian accounts.  Are they able to take part in such votes?  I see this as a possible source of collusion.  

Secondly, medical professionals using
the site will accumulate continuing medical education (CME) credits that will be redeemable through the site in exchange for ATLAS tokens.



Now, I see this as a good idea in the long run if you answer that the general civilian population is unable to vote for quality of posts as I stated above.  This makes collusion pointless and the donations would be anonymous.


BRAVO!  This was a welcome part of the paper!


Now this is definitely interesting.  The HIPPA regs would likely need to be circumvented, but who knows what sort of regs will exist in 20-40 years from now.  I could see anonymized EMR data being used in the near future for such a project.  There are number of current projects that are attempting this such as Medibloc and Medicalchain.

I will join the telegram and see if I can help at all.  I'm in the healthcare industry as well and clearly I'm suspicious of most projects like this one. 

I sincerely appreciate this redaction. You should know that I am extremely suspicious of healthcare projects on blockchain and would short 85 percent of them if crypto was a more traditional market.

Hey what's up guys my name is Colin Closser, M.D., I have been friends with Dr. Mattson for 20 years and I am co-founder of the PeerAtlas project


Cool story bro    Personally, I would stay far far away from people shilling ERC20s...but you do you, we're all adults here hopefully

When it rains, it pours. Jeez

Yes, that's right, I wrote the whitepaper in the same month that Brad passed his radiology boards on the first try. I also traded my sweet little fingers off during that month putting up volume specifically between Antshares markets in the USA and China. So I postponed my career. Conspiracy confirmed.

Dr. Mattson is a board certified radiologist that is finishing up his final year of residency and you should click on https://www.baystatehealth.org/education-research/education/residencies/radiology/current-residents and then "PGY5" to see his current profile and then you should feel bad about yourself.

He finishes his residency on June 30. Fellowships are optional. Deal with it


Thank you for the positive feedback, we are trying to launch our token on the NEO blockchain as an SEC compliant security, if that's what you were asking

FROM THE ROADMAP:

July 2013: Dr. Mattson enters a five-year radiology residency.

4 years later:

July 2017: Dr. Closser completes the first PeerAtlas whitepaper, and officially postpones his medical career to work full-time on the PeerAtlas project.

SAME DATE!!!

July 2017: Dr. Mattson becomes a board-certified radiologist.

This is a scam.  First off, nobody finishes a residency a year early and there would be a fellowship following residency for radiology.  You say you postpone your medical career on the same date you supposedly become board-certified.......

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I do indeed feel bad about myself.  I'm sorry.  You have to admit the roadmap wording is a little off though.  Typically, when somebody says that they are postponing their medical career, they stop medical school, take a gap year prior to boards, or something similar.

I do think that this sounds like an interesting project and will start following to see further updates.

I won't be the first one to say that the idea is beautiful. Is token secured though?

This is a scam ICO I would stay far far away before you lose all your money.