[ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform - page 759.

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Quote from: MoveCrypto on October 17, 2016, 11:50:34 AM

Ethereum:
- consistent $4MM+ daily trade volume can easily absorb $10k to $100k+ worth of dividends going out every week

- most nodes out of any crypto (7000+) means very decentralized network

- cost of sending out 6000 dividend transactions every week
on ethereum: 2.5 minutes and 13.5 ETH ($160)
on bitcoin: 30 minutes and 1.5 BTC ($960)

- 2nd highest hashrate of any crypto (6 TH/s) means very hard to alter a transaction once it has been written to blockchain

As you can see, Ethereum is currently the only blockchain where it is feasible to launch a huge, dividend-paying project on. Ethereum is the only blockchain with a history of supporting tokens on its' chain with $100+ million market cap.

Better to pay ethereum miners fees to use their network, than it would be to pay several developers to maintain a new ICN chain, which would be more centralized and less secure than ethereum.

Now Iconomi can focus on fund management and building fund management platform, instead of wasting time and money trying to maintain and grow a blockchain.

maybe now...
but give it a year and you will see where eth goes. specially after a few more forks.

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Quote from: kalpit on October 17, 2016, 10:37:30 AM

Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

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I can prove Liqui is scam.

They haven't even posted members names of the team behind it. Just a picture of 4 team members, which too appears photoshoped.

When I asked on Telegram the names of team members, they said-

Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info

Me:
Can you please at least give name of team members?

Liqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry
http://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.nethttp://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.net
Me:
Names?

Liqui Exchange:
Once again, when we decide to publish this - we will do this.

Me:
But why are you hiding this.?

Liqui Exchange:
It is our founders solution at that moment, Im support guy - cant provide you with this infotmation unfortunatelly

Now you only decide. I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members.

If you don't trust me, try asking these questions to them in Telegram or I can give you screenshots as proof too.

Oh, lol. You are funny man. "I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members" - what about btc-e? Grin

Yeah, you are correct.

But I can see at least see little information about them at
http://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.net

For liqui, there is negligible information- http://domainbigdata.com/liqui.io

Okay, leave btc-e , talk about yourself. You are uploading false pics of team members.
You claim that your team is well known in Ukraine, Russia.
If you don't want to disclose the team members, why are you claiming to be trusted.

If Anyone here is from Russia,/Ukraine please let us know what you know about the team. Please check this pic and help us identify them.

I'm sure, if your team is well known it would be identified by some people. Wink

That picture does not strike confidence.

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Quote from: Thefrolly on October 17, 2016, 09:33:24 AM

do you know the guys behind poloniex? i dont think so

Delaware, USA; fully vetted and regulated. Compliance is their middle name. Wink

If you expect or want Volume and LIQUIdity, credentials and location are very important.

Also... Russian crypto-regulation status does not bode well for your location:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country#Russia

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/russia-blocks-access-bitcoin-p2p-exchange-localbitcoins/

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Quote from: MoveCrypto on October 17, 2016, 11:50:34 AM

Quote from: shutyourmouth on October 16, 2016, 09:13:33 PM

IMHO,. Iconomi deserves its own blockcain. Why couldn't a separate blockchain interact with an ethereum smart contract? Then expand the platform's limits with DApp development. And give investors the option to choose how individual dividends are paid whether it be Lisk or Eth. Why put 3500 *+ investor's trust and value at risk (especially fiat investors) because Iconomi's success is currently dependent on Ethereum. Stratis released its own blockchain built to create private blockchains for a fraction of Iconomi's ICO investments. If others understand where I'm getting at... I think its fair to vote on a better solution such as an independent blockchain. And do this by treating every account as a delegate. Personally I would rather wait until Iconomi has the best opportunity to go public then go out on a limb with Ethers current status on work load stability. I bet we would have easily seen 21000 BTC if the DAO hack never happened...

PS: I really like the idea behind Iconomi but I'd rather get dividends in lisk.

Ethereum:
- consistent $4MM+ daily trade volume can easily absorb $10k to $100k+ worth of dividends going out every week

- most nodes out of any crypto (7000+) means very decentralized network

- cost of sending out 6000 dividend transactions every week
on ethereum: 2.5 minutes and 13.5 ETH ($160)
on bitcoin: 30 minutes and 1.5 BTC ($960)

- 2nd highest hashrate of any crypto (6 TH/s) means very hard to alter a transaction once it has been written to blockchain

As you can see, Ethereum is currently the only blockchain where it is feasible to launch a huge, dividend-paying project on. Ethereum is the only blockchain with a history of supporting tokens on its' chain with $100+ million market cap.

Better to pay ethereum miners fees to use their network, than it would be to pay several developers to maintain a new ICN chain, which would be more centralized and less secure than ethereum.

Now Iconomi can focus on fund management and building fund management platform, instead of wasting time and money trying to maintain and grow a blockchain.

How did you get to 6,000 dividends when there are 3508 ICO participants?
Also not sure how you got the TX fees numbers

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Will be ETH wallet synchronisation after fork faster than now?

This process is just painfully slow even with geth --fast --cache=2048 --jitvm

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move that crypto

Quote from: shutyourmouth on October 16, 2016, 09:13:33 PM

IMHO,. Iconomi deserves its own blockcain. Why couldn't a separate blockchain interact with an ethereum smart contract? Then expand the platform's limits with DApp development. And give investors the option to choose how individual dividends are paid whether it be Lisk or Eth. Why put 3500 *+ investor's trust and value at risk (especially fiat investors) because Iconomi's success is currently dependent on Ethereum. Stratis released its own blockchain built to create private blockchains for a fraction of Iconomi's ICO investments. If others understand where I'm getting at... I think its fair to vote on a better solution such as an independent blockchain. And do this by treating every account as a delegate. Personally I would rather wait until Iconomi has the best opportunity to go public then go out on a limb with Ethers current status on work load stability. I bet we would have easily seen 21000 BTC if the DAO hack never happened...

PS: I really like the idea behind Iconomi but I'd rather get dividends in lisk.

Ethereum:
- consistent $4MM+ daily trade volume can easily absorb $10k to $100k+ worth of dividends going out every week

- most nodes out of any crypto (7000+) means very decentralized network

- cost of sending out 6000 dividend transactions every week
on ethereum: 25 minutes and 13.5 ETH ($160)
on bitcoin: 30 minutes and 1.5 BTC ($960)

- 2nd highest hashrate of any crypto (6 TH/s) means very hard to alter a transaction once it has been written to blockchain

As you can see, Ethereum is currently the only blockchain where it is feasible to launch a huge, dividend-paying project on. Ethereum is the only blockchain with a history of supporting tokens on its' chain with $100+ million market cap.

Better to pay ethereum miners fees to use their network, than it would be to pay several developers to maintain a new ICN chain, which would be more centralized and less secure than ethereum.

Now Iconomi can focus on fund management and building fund management platform, instead of wasting time and money trying to maintain and grow a blockchain.

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Prob they can show us more pics.

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Quote from: Daparski on October 17, 2016, 10:56:17 AM

You won't get respond on that one, the picture looks photoshop job to me.
Maybe they will deliver what promised in their site. Time will tell

For now it just looks awful fishy

They just stay low, all these shady exchangers are keeping a low profile in order not get attacked by the Eastern European mafia.
Or even worse , they are being run by the mafia itself.
It's a double edged sword.

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Quote from: kalpit on October 17, 2016, 10:37:30 AM

Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

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I can prove Liqui is scam.

They haven't even posted members names of the team behind it. Just a picture of 4 team members, which too appears photoshoped.

When I asked on Telegram the names of team members, they said-

Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info

Me:
Can you please at least give name of team members?

Liqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry
http://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.nethttp://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.net
Me:
Names?

Liqui Exchange:
Once again, when we decide to publish this - we will do this.

Me:
But why are you hiding this.?

Liqui Exchange:
It is our founders solution at that moment, Im support guy - cant provide you with this infotmation unfortunatelly

Now you only decide. I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members.

If you don't trust me, try asking these questions to them in Telegram or I can give you screenshots as proof too.

Oh, lol. You are funny man. "I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members" - what about btc-e? Grin

Yeah, you are correct.

But I can see at least see little information about them at
http://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.net

For liqui, there is negligible information- http://domainbigdata.com/liqui.io

Okay, leave btc-e , talk about yourself. You are uploading false pics of team members.
You claim that your team is well known in Ukraine, Russia.
If you don't want to disclose the team members, why are you claiming to be trusted.

If Anyone here is from Russia,/Ukraine please let us know what you know about the team. Please check this pic and help us identify them.

I'm sure, if your team is well known it would be identified by some people. Wink

You won't get respond on that one, the picture looks photoshop job to me.
Maybe they will deliver what promised in their site. Time will tell

For now it just looks awful fishy

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Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

Quote

I can prove Liqui is scam.

They haven't even posted members names of the team behind it. Just a picture of 4 team members, which too appears photoshoped.

When I asked on Telegram the names of team members, they said-

Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info

Me:
Can you please at least give name of team members?

Liqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry
http://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.nethttp://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.net
Me:
Names?

Liqui Exchange:
Once again, when we decide to publish this - we will do this.

Me:
But why are you hiding this.?

Liqui Exchange:
It is our founders solution at that moment, Im support guy - cant provide you with this infotmation unfortunatelly

Now you only decide. I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members.

If you don't trust me, try asking these questions to them in Telegram or I can give you screenshots as proof too.

Oh, lol. You are funny man. "I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members" - what about btc-e? Grin

Yeah, you are correct.

But I can see at least see little information about them at
http://whois.easycounter.com/btc-e.net

For liqui, there is negligible information- http://domainbigdata.com/liqui.io

Okay, leave btc-e , talk about yourself. You are uploading false pics of team members.
You claim that your team is well known in Ukraine, Russia.
If you don't want to disclose the team members, why are you claiming to be trusted.

If Anyone here is from Russia,/Ukraine please let us know what you know about the team. Please check this pic and help us identify them.

I'm sure, if your team is well known it would be identified by some people. Wink

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Quote from: sri.bima on October 17, 2016, 10:09:23 AM

Quote from: Palakka on October 17, 2016, 09:54:08 AM

Quote from: jovan85 on October 17, 2016, 09:50:41 AM

When ICONOMI ICO wallet will be out?Anyone know?

The wallet iconomi is etherum wallet. Iconomi cooperation etherum with smart contract.
So you can use the eth wallet after hardfork.

Can we using ETH address on myetherwallet?
Thank you!

yes, you can send any compliant token via MEW

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Quote from: Palakka on October 17, 2016, 09:54:08 AM

Quote from: jovan85 on October 17, 2016, 09:50:41 AM

When ICONOMI ICO wallet will be out?Anyone know?

The wallet iconomi is etherum wallet. Iconomi cooperation etherum with smart contract.
So you can use the eth wallet after hardfork.

Can we using ETH address on myetherwallet?
Thank you!

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Quote from: DeadBirdzz on October 17, 2016, 09:02:56 AM

Quote from: TrueAnon on October 17, 2016, 08:50:54 AM

Man not sure how ANYONE could expect this kinda stuff to get to mainstream market/usage. It becomes now WAY to consfusing and long winded for anyone to even understand or try to bother making time to use such ecosystem.

fuck off and stick to shilling for your stupid Wild Pussy Cat Coin and its shit exchange.

come on, don't feed them. just hit ignore like a grown up

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Quote from: jovan85 on October 17, 2016, 09:50:41 AM

When ICONOMI ICO wallet will be out?Anyone know?

The wallet iconomi is etherum wallet. Iconomi cooperation etherum with smart contract.
So you can use the eth wallet after hardfork.

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When ICONOMI ICO wallet will be out?Anyone know?

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Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

Quote

I can prove Liqui is scam.

They haven't even posted members names of the team behind it. Just a picture of 4 team members, which too appears photoshoped.

When I asked on Telegram the names of team members, they said-

Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info

Me:
Can you please at least give name of team members?

Liqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry

Me:
Names?

Liqui Exchange:
Once again, when we decide to publish this - we will do this.

Me:
But why are you hiding this.?

Liqui Exchange:
It is our founders solution at that moment, Im support guy - cant provide you with this infotmation unfortunatelly

Now you only decide. I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members.

If you don't trust me, try asking these questions to them in Telegram or I can give you screenshots as proof too.

Oh, lol. You are funny man. "I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members" - what about btc-e? Grin

So because one of the most known exchanges with 5 years in business without any major problems doesn't show who they are, you will not?

They have 5 years in their back to prove that they are at least some what trustworthy

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Quote from: Thefrolly on October 17, 2016, 09:33:24 AM

Quote from: kalpit on October 17, 2016, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: Muro on October 17, 2016, 07:48:48 AM

Quote from: Daparski on October 17, 2016, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 07:16:40 AM

Quote from: arwin100 on October 17, 2016, 07:04:48 AM

Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 06:53:05 AM

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OKAY GUYS HERE'S the DEAL ON ESCROW IF YOU WANT: (From Jani)

It works like this:
- you find buyer or seller finds buyer. I don't do anything here. Matchmaking is not an option.

Then both mail me to this email with ": ([email protected]) "email should be between all of us" Do not contact seperate, no time for mLiqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to whiteLiqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry label - we will update all infoatchmaker service. (edited by request.)Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info
- seller's email on ico.iconomi.net (mLiqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all infoailing needs to be from that email)
- seller needs to tell amount of ICN on his/her account
- buyer sends btc/eth/lsk address
- which email buyer wants to have for this account (we're swapping full accounts only to emails previously not on ico.iconomi.net - technical reasons)

I confirm that account has that amount. And send my address (btc/eth/lsk). Then:
- buyer sends btc/eth/lsk to my address
- within a day I exchange account, send an email to the buyer to confirm
- after buyer confirmation i send whatever I received
--
Jani Valjavec
Co-founder & CTO

Hello to all.

If someone want to move their ICN tokens to Liqui - contact Iconomi team. We are open for cooperation.

So how can we make sure that IOU ICN is the real iconomi? Can we Make sure that we can get our withdrawals if we would get it? This thing is mostly i want to ask with you since you starting the IOU first and surely many people would get doubts for this announcement but anyways its a good move for your site since you can gather people to try do trades in your site..

We answer already numerous times. Again - we invest customers funds to ICO Iconomi, we provide all transactions id. So it is obvious that these IOU tokens real.

And now according to Jani's post, everyone can move their ICO cabinet balance to Liqui ICO cabinet balance. After we see this happened - we credited your Liqui exchange account with equal amount of ICN. You can sell them and withdraw btc immediately or wait until network will launch and withdraw ICN.

P.S. Please lets discuss this option here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1636917.100, avoiding clutter up this thread.

why don't you share this info?

Quote

1. Liqui should show a proof (screenshot) of their FINAL amount of ICN tokens
2. Liqui should show a proof that they have less than that final amount of IOUs reserved in orders

You talk about something you know ... I personally bought and sold it from the beginning Liqui without any problem. I have some coins alí and remove four btc without any problem, so shut up loudmouth.

I can prove Liqui is scam.

They haven't even posted members names of the team behind it. Just a picture of 4 team members, which too appears photoshoped.

When I asked on Telegram the names of team members, they said-

Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info

Me:
Can you please at least give name of team members?

Liqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry

Me:
Names?

Liqui Exchange:
Once again, when we decide to publish this - we will do this.

Me:
But why are you hiding this.?

Liqui Exchange:
It is our founders solution at that moment, Im support guy - cant provide you with this infotmation unfortunatelly

Now you only decide. I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members.

If you don't trust me, try asking these questions to them in Telegram or I can give you screenshots as proof too.

do you know the guys behind poloniex? i dont think so

"stated Poloniex owner, Tristan D'Agosta" from: https://poloniex.com/press-releases/2014.07.18-Poloniex-is-the-First-Centralized-Exchange-to-List-a-Groundbreaking-New-Development-in-Crypto-Trading

And there has been pictures of the place where they have their adress and so on, it is way more legit.

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Liqui has around 135k ICN. But the question is: they Just put in sell orders 135k IOU?

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Quote

I can prove Liqui is scam.

They haven't even posted members names of the team behind it. Just a picture of 4 team members, which too appears photoshoped.

When I asked on Telegram the names of team members, they said-

Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info

Me:
Can you please at least give name of team members?

Liqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry

Me:
Names?

Liqui Exchange:
Once again, when we decide to publish this - we will do this.

Me:
But why are you hiding this.?

Liqui Exchange:
It is our founders solution at that moment, Im support guy - cant provide you with this infotmation unfortunatelly

Now you only decide. I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members.

If you don't trust me, try asking these questions to them in Telegram or I can give you screenshots as proof too.

Oh, lol. You are funny man. "I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members" - what about btc-e? Grin

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Quote from: kalpit on October 17, 2016, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: Muro on October 17, 2016, 07:48:48 AM

Quote from: Daparski on October 17, 2016, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 07:16:40 AM

Quote from: arwin100 on October 17, 2016, 07:04:48 AM

Quote from: liqui on October 17, 2016, 06:53:05 AM

Quote

OKAY GUYS HERE'S the DEAL ON ESCROW IF YOU WANT: (From Jani)

It works like this:
- you find buyer or seller finds buyer. I don't do anything here. Matchmaking is not an option.

Then both mail me to this email with ": ([email protected]) "email should be between all of us" Do not contact seperate, no time for mLiqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to whiteLiqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry label - we will update all infoatchmaker service. (edited by request.)Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info
- seller's email on ico.iconomi.net (mLiqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all infoailing needs to be from that email)
- seller needs to tell amount of ICN on his/her account
- buyer sends btc/eth/lsk address
- which email buyer wants to have for this account (we're swapping full accounts only to emails previously not on ico.iconomi.net - technical reasons)

I confirm that account has that amount. And send my address (btc/eth/lsk). Then:
- buyer sends btc/eth/lsk to my address
- within a day I exchange account, send an email to the buyer to confirm
- after buyer confirmation i send whatever I received
--
Jani Valjavec
Co-founder & CTO

Hello to all.

If someone want to move their ICN tokens to Liqui - contact Iconomi team. We are open for cooperation.

So how can we make sure that IOU ICN is the real iconomi? Can we Make sure that we can get our withdrawals if we would get it? This thing is mostly i want to ask with you since you starting the IOU first and surely many people would get doubts for this announcement but anyways its a good move for your site since you can gather people to try do trades in your site..

We answer already numerous times. Again - we invest customers funds to ICO Iconomi, we provide all transactions id. So it is obvious that these IOU tokens real.

And now according to Jani's post, everyone can move their ICO cabinet balance to Liqui ICO cabinet balance. After we see this happened - we credited your Liqui exchange account with equal amount of ICN. You can sell them and withdraw btc immediately or wait until network will launch and withdraw ICN.

P.S. Please lets discuss this option here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1636917.100, avoiding clutter up this thread.

why don't you share this info?

Quote

1. Liqui should show a proof (screenshot) of their FINAL amount of ICN tokens
2. Liqui should show a proof that they have less than that final amount of IOUs reserved in orders

You talk about something you know ... I personally bought and sold it from the beginning Liqui without any problem. I have some coins alí and remove four btc without any problem, so shut up loudmouth.

I can prove Liqui is scam.

They haven't even posted members names of the team behind it. Just a picture of 4 team members, which too appears photoshoped.

When I asked on Telegram the names of team members, they said-

Liqui Exchange:
yes of course, when we will ready to white label - we will update all info

Me:
Can you please at least give name of team members?

Liqui Exchange:
Yes we can, our team is well known is Ukraine/Russia - dont worry

Me:
Names?

Liqui Exchange:
Once again, when we decide to publish this - we will do this.

Me:
But why are you hiding this.?

Liqui Exchange:
It is our founders solution at that moment, Im support guy - cant provide you with this infotmation unfortunatelly

Now you only decide. I haven't seen a legit website which is not ready to disclose the names of team members.

If you don't trust me, try asking these questions to them in Telegram or I can give you screenshots as proof too.

do you know the guys behind poloniex? i dont think so

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