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legendary
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October 06, 2016, 01:27:49 PM
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@ ICONOMI, a question - in this example, ICONOMI has to come up with 80.77 BTC = $49.5K (approx.) per week of cash to distribute as dividends.   ....


In long run like year it can give us good dividends but that won't be like constant income just because crypto is moving PnD so to sell on pump. I think that will be more like 10$x 10 then pump and 50$
sr. member
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October 06, 2016, 01:24:47 PM

...Let's assume in the first year iconomi.performance invests 7000 BTC into icos, with an average return of 4x.  That's 21000 BTC profit.  ~20% of this profit will be sent to ICN token holders as dividends.  21000 BTC × 0.20 = 4200 BTC dividends...



.... I have to say that I like the methodology. Ur pushing good content here MoveCrypto. Thx!

Let's examine this good example a little more to help me (and everybody else) understand just how this is gonna work.

Assume next week at launch that ICONOMI puts 7K BTC into ICNP and then gets 4X on the investment during Year One for a total of 28,000BTC as described above.  Subtract out the original 7K investment and you get the 21K profit mentioned above.  So far so good.

Say ICNP makes equal profit every week in Year One.  Then the weekly ICNP profit is 21K / 52 weeks = 403.85 BTC profit per week, right?

20% of the weekly profit is distributed as dividends to all ICN token holders.  So 403.85 BTC * 0.2 = 80.77 BTC would be distributed per week as dividends, right?  

We've currently got 85M ICN tokens spread among roughly 3500 ICO investors so the average stake is 85,000,000/3500 = 24.3K ICN (round number).   Investors paid the ICO price of 0.13 USD per ICN or 0.00021228 BTC per ICN for each of their tokens.  Total ICO costs for an average 24.3K ICN stake is thus $3159 or 5.15 BTC.  This assumes 1 BTC = $613.40.

Each of these average 24.3K ICN stakes would get an equal amount of the weekly profit, or 80.77 / 3500 = 0.023 BTC per week, right?  Worth a weekly 0.023 * 613.40 = $14.10, or an annual $14.10 * 52 = $733.20.

Bottom line: IF ICNP hits the example 4X per year profit, the "average" ICN investor stands to make $733 per year in dividends on his $3159 ICO investment JUST FROM THE ICNP FUND.

@ ICONOMI, a question - in this example, ICONOMI has to come up with 80.77 BTC = $49.5K (approx.) per week of cash to distribute as dividends.   ICONOMI gets this cash by trading that amount of ICNP coin holdings into ETH and distributing the ETH - Is this correct?


I have few remarks on your comments:

We've currently got 85M ICN tokens... - there are 100M ICN tokens, not 85M. For dividends distribution it is irrelevant how the tokens were acquired (ICO, bounties or reserved). So you need to divide it by 100M

We've currently got 85M ICN tokens spread among roughly 3500 ICO investors... - again, totla number of investors is irrelevant. Only how much dividends a single ICN token yields

Investors paid the ICO price of... - price is not fix for each investor..

I would do:
ICNP profit is 21K / 52 weeks = 403.85 BTC profit per week, and then divide that by the total amount of ICN tokens - that is the weekly profit for a single token. From here everyone can multiply it by the total amount of ICN tokens he/she posses.
Roughly I would say it will take around 50 weeks for 100% ROI - Just from that fund.
Sweeet
Will say that again - anyone who sells even a single token before the platform goes live is a weak hand and will cry later on




legendary
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October 06, 2016, 01:01:26 PM

...Let's assume in the first year iconomi.performance invests 7000 BTC into icos, with an average return of 4x.  That's 21000 BTC profit.  ~20% of this profit will be sent to ICN token holders as dividends.  21000 BTC × 0.20 = 4200 BTC dividends...



.... I have to say that I like the methodology. Ur pushing good content here MoveCrypto. Thx!

Let's examine this good example a little more to help me (and everybody else) understand just how this is gonna work.

Assume next week at launch that ICONOMI puts 7K BTC into ICNP and then gets 4X on the investment during Year One for a total of 28,000BTC as described above.  Subtract out the original 7K investment and you get the 21K profit mentioned above.  So far so good.

Say ICNP makes equal profit every week in Year One.  Then the weekly ICNP profit is 21K / 52 weeks = 403.85 BTC profit per week, right?

20% of the weekly profit is distributed as dividends to all ICN token holders.  So 403.85 BTC * 0.2 = 80.77 BTC would be distributed per week as dividends, right?  

We've currently got 85M ICN tokens spread among roughly 3500 ICO investors so the average stake is 85,000,000/3500 = 24.3K ICN (round number).   Investors paid the ICO price of 0.13 USD per ICN or 0.00021228 BTC per ICN for each of their tokens.  Total ICO costs for an average 24.3K ICN stake is thus $3159 or 5.15 BTC.  This assumes 1 BTC = $613.40.

Each of these average 24.3K ICN stakes would get an equal amount of the weekly profit, or 80.77 / 3500 = 0.023 BTC per week, right?  Worth a weekly 0.023 * 613.40 = $14.10, or an annual $14.10 * 52 = $733.20.

Bottom line: IF ICNP hits the example 4X per year profit, the "average" ICN investor stands to make $733 per year in dividends on his original 5.15 BTC = $3159 ICO investment JUST FROM THE ICNP FUND.  Actual dividends received would be even higher when additional profits are included from other funds and overall ICN operations.

@ ICONOMI, a question - in this example, ICONOMI has to come up with 80.77 BTC = $49.5K (approx.) per week of cash to distribute as dividends.   ICONOMI gets this cash by trading that amount of ICNP coin holdings into ETH and then distributes the ETH - Is this correct?



full member
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October 06, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
So iconomi is delaying launch? Getting bad flashbacks to lisk now

Instead of 10 days, it's 12 days after the ICO ended so next Tuesday instead of this Friday which is good. Fridays/weekend will probably be dead/bloody. Besides it's not like they delayed it a month or something like that.

It depends. If DDOS attacks resume at the current rate, then ICONOMI team is considering delaying the launch.
Read here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16473482
hero member
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October 06, 2016, 12:53:27 PM
I really don't know what I'm doing ( Cheesy) but running this recent release at the same time, seems the wallet (ethereum or mist), syncs smoothly.

https://github.com/ethereum/go-ethereum/releases/tag/v1.4.16
full member
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October 06, 2016, 12:50:34 PM
Dude the button is for the Twitter and Facebook claim. What he is asking and what I have asked as well is that when you send a PM for SIGNATURE and TRANSLATION bounties, are we supposed to receive a confirmation PM back? God you people really do not comprehend anything do you?
Wrong. You MUST press the button to claim ANY bounty. Or you will get nothing.
Read here:
https://www.facebook.com/iconomi.net/posts/660773437423441
full member
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October 06, 2016, 12:48:44 PM
Better to migrate Iconomi to sidechain on Lisk network,
once its possible because Eth network can be DDosed again.

What if it's being DDOS because of Iconomi? Then Lisk will be DDOSED.
full member
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October 06, 2016, 12:47:31 PM
I hope they get this fixed within the next 5 days or ICN may need delay launch until the chain stabilizes.  
if nobody can even create a contract until it's fixed by another hardfork update this could get serious.
As it stands, right now, an exchange couldn't add ICN or ANY Ethereum token if they wanted to.

Even lisk is more stable than this... I run and maintain dozen public Lisk api's, and can't get a single Ethereum contract to register after switching to Parity and re-syncing this is scary. Two dozen coin ecosystems are effected by this. By the looks of it, They have the fork hot-fix but are hesitating to publish it. With any luck he listens to Gavin, and pulls the trigger. Fingers crossed.

Nice one. And we just had discussion in the office about that.

We'll be ready to launch ICN. But if it turns out that network is not stable and substantial amount of people is left with unsynced blockchain (it means also exchange could have issue with it) we will communicate that and delay launch.

We wanna make sure that we start with the launch at in advance communicated time (technically that will be certain block height) and where anyone can sync blockchain. That is the only way to make sure everyone have equal opportunities to access and transfer ICN to exchanges. We wanna make start of the race fair to all.
Fairness is the most important thing, even though I see so many people screaming impatiently to get their bounties.
full member
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October 06, 2016, 12:46:57 PM
ETH in freefall. Must be because of the problems.

Does that mean that the invested amount is lower now? Like Lisk?

No. Read here:
https://medium.com/iconominet/token-share-calculation-affd1c96c482#.ynkser7we
full member
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October 06, 2016, 12:40:41 PM
ETH in freefall. Must be because of the problems.

Does that mean that the invested amount is lower now? Like Lisk?
hero member
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October 06, 2016, 12:37:14 PM
So iconomi is delaying launch? Getting bad flashbacks to lisk now

Instead of 10 days, it's 12 days after the ICO ended so next Tuesday instead of this Friday which is good. Fridays/weekend will probably be dead/bloody. Besides it's not like they delayed it a month or something like that.
sr. member
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October 06, 2016, 12:36:57 PM

thay already announced they'd distribute the bounty on 7th.
Iconomi: "Your ICONOMI account is suspended".
Here is why: .


They also do not answer to my requests.


Are you able to access your coins yet? Is there a scam going on?

Any possible reason like what you did before this suspension happen?
Maybe you are caught cheating on bounties like having different twitter accounts or something. i don't see why an ICO account will be suspended aside from cheating on bounties. Cheesy

Guys, i have a regular account. I submitted thousands of dollars worth of BTC and did not spam anything.

Yet my account is still suspended and no one cares about my requests.

SCAM ALERT

e: They do not even react to anything. I have no clue whats going on.
legendary
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October 06, 2016, 12:34:16 PM
So iconomi is delaying launch? Getting bad flashbacks to lisk now
hero member
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October 06, 2016, 12:16:15 PM
@ICONOMI

YES!

please send us a confirmation PM back!!
hero member
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October 06, 2016, 12:14:43 PM
when the right time will be entered into the trading site like poloniex or bittrex


Currently only God, Bittrex, Polo and maybe ICONOMI team knows.
sr. member
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October 06, 2016, 12:07:13 PM
ICONOMI i sent yesterday for u pm, e-mail icon iconomi accaount - still do not have booked a bonus of campaign signature and no any response


take a look at your ico.iconomi.net account
you should have a message like this

Your Bounties

CLAIM WAS SUCCESSFUL
Your final bounty reward will be visible here on October 7. 2016, 18:00 UTC

in bounty section


Dude the button is for the Twitter and Facebook claim. What he is asking and what I have asked as well is that when you send a PM for SIGNATURE and TRANSLATION bounties, are we supposed to receive a confirmation PM back? God you people really do not comprehend anything do you?
legendary
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October 06, 2016, 12:02:11 PM
ICONOMI i sent yesterday for u pm, e-mail icon iconomi accaount - still do not have booked a bonus of campaign signature and no any response


take a look at your ico.iconomi.net account
you should have a message like this

Your Bounties

CLAIM WAS SUCCESSFUL
Your final bounty reward will be visible here on October 7. 2016, 18:00 UTC

in bounty section
hero member
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October 06, 2016, 11:55:27 AM
Great work of ICONOMI Team to examine abuses and google translation in the translated threads!

Congratulations
Yes, it is very dishonest to cheat like that.
Speaking of which, I had a look at the swedish "translation" of the ICONOMI ANN and I noticed that it's an obvious google translate job.
Not translation perfect google car you like? (jk)  Tongue

What do you even mean?

I've been trying to figure that one out for a while now. Some posts do not make sense at all, they do make me laugh so that's nice.
hero member
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October 06, 2016, 11:46:42 AM
Great work of ICONOMI Team to examine abuses and google translation in the translated threads!

Congratulations
Yes, it is very dishonest to cheat like that.
Speaking of which, I had a look at the swedish "translation" of the ICONOMI ANN and I noticed that it's an obvious google translate job.
Not translation perfect google car you like? (jk)  Tongue

What do you even mean?
newbie
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October 06, 2016, 11:45:32 AM
just wait for decide of ICNX on 7 oct, all is knowed that ICNX Team is Smart Team, no worrie , ICNX team knowed what must they do regarding Bounties, Our Task is do all instruction on blog ICNX, its enough. no busy or noise ,,, keep calm .
If we dong all task as well surely we can get good rewards, if abuse, or not follow the rule yeah it will kicked out by ICNX ,... I believe to ICNX.
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