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Topic: [ANN] IPO of MaidSafe:  Entering the Future of the Decentralized Internet - page 139. (Read 579951 times)

legendary
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MSC was trading at around .08 BTC before this.

Why would David J of MSC foundation think that it's a fair way to run an IPO to give more than twice the ROI in MSAFE for MSC holders than for BTC holders?

Maidsafe has to defend MSC now because it is holding a ton of MSC... too bad for such unethical behavior.  Holding a fair IPO in BTC (much more liquid than MSC) would not have been hard, if you think the purpose of this crap was anything other than profiteering, get real.


Although your thought process is clear to follow...  I am afraid you haven't considered several Market conditions.  If MaidSafe (or whomever for the matter) were to attempt to purchase the MSC accumulated through this IPO...  I am sure you agree that they would have NOT been able to purchase most "at around .08 BTC."  Can you imagine the MSC/BTC rates by the time they would be done buying?  As far as having "to defend MSC now"...  why do you exclude the possibility that they look forward to an increase in MSC valuation?  I mean...  think about it for a sec...  they obviously preferred to use the Master Protocol themselves!    Wink

The entire MSC marketcap as it stands today is at $22m.

The Maidsafe IPO raised around $6-$7 million.   In short 1/3rd of all MSC was used to acquire 10% of Maidsafe. 

Certainly people who bought MSC just to aqcuire Maidsafe did well if they were succesful. 

It may be possible that MSC increases in value after this since it does show it is possible to raise money via Mastercoin.   Also,  all the Maidsafe owners have to become familiar with Mastercoin.   So Mastercoin wins here in several different ways.

newbie
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with a market cap of 126 million being announced a few days before the launch (this post was made today) I am starting to see the need for regulation (and I am the last to say that) this is a pure scam. Very well put together scam

i am sure their buddies will get good deals, its only we sucker that will pay for the full price 1BTC = maidcoin Huh
The above information is exactly same as the http://www.safecoin.io/


MaidSafe raise money too much, it is estimated that future growth will be small.
hero member
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As I'm late to the IPO, how can I still get involved? 

Will safecoins be sold on an exchange?

The IPO is already over, but you can buy MaidSafeCoin with Bitcoin or Mastercoin at reasonale rates here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/buy-maidsafecoin-msafe-with-bitcoin-and-mastercoin-582713
legendary
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Ok, so this is how this played out...

It is totally obvious to anyone following this that MaidSafe team trusted MasterCoin Foundation to set up their IPO for them (aka David Johnson of MasterCoin Foundation/BitAngels)

MSC was trading at around .08 BTC before this.

Why would David J of MSC foundation think that it's a fair way to run an IPO to give more than twice the ROI in MSAFE for MSC holders than for BTC holders?
obviously because he had a lot of MSC.

Then David J of MSC foundation acts surprised that most donations came through MasterCoin when they gave double the reward to MasterCoin.

Either David J of MSC foundation is a complete and total idiot for expecting that this would be a fair and smooth way to operate an IPO or he is a scammer/opportunist/profiteer.

Personally I don't think David J is that much of an idiot.

David J of MasterCoin Foundation SHOULD BE IN PRISON.  If you think this was above board, I have bridge to sell you.


All this is separate from the value of MaidSafe software.
MaidSafe has software that they worked on for a long time on, but I think monetizing it with a cryptocoin is new to them and they are obviously new to crypto and didn't see things that most people saw would be obvious.

Maidsafe has to defend MSC now because it is holding a ton of MSC... too bad for such unethical behavior.  Holding a fair IPO in BTC (much more liquid than MSC) would not have been hard, if you think the purpose of this crap was anything other than profiteering, get real.

It is normal for a VC to get favored treatment when equity is distributed to the public.  In this case, the mechanism of choice was MSC.

Is it criminal as you accuse?  No,  happens all the time in every public offerring,   

You should grow up before you accuse people of crimes.   Is this fair?  No,  but that is just how these deals are struck in the real world.  Live with it!
newbie
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Ok, so this is how this played out...

It is totally obvious to anyone following this that MaidSafe team trusted MasterCoin Foundation to set up their IPO for them (aka David Johnson of MasterCoin Foundation/BitAngels)

MSC was trading at around .08 BTC before this.

Why would David J of MSC foundation think that it's a fair way to run an IPO to give more than twice the ROI in MSAFE for MSC holders than for BTC holders?
obviously because he had a lot of MSC.

Then David J of MSC foundation acts surprised that most donations came through MasterCoin when they gave double the reward to MasterCoin.

Either David J of MSC foundation is a complete and total idiot for expecting that this would be a fair and smooth way to operate an IPO or he is a scammer/opportunist/profiteer.

Personally I don't think David J is that much of an idiot.

David J of MasterCoin Foundation SHOULD BE IN PRISON.  If you think this was above board, I have bridge to sell you.


All this is separate from the value of MaidSafe software.
MaidSafe has software that they worked on for a long time on, but I think monetizing it with a cryptocoin is new to them and they are obviously new to crypto and didn't see things that most people saw would be obvious.

Maidsafe has to defend MSC now because it is holding a ton of MSC... too bad for such unethical behavior.  Holding a fair IPO in BTC (much more liquid than MSC) would not have been hard, if you think the purpose of this crap was anything other than profiteering, get real.
legendary
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As I'm late to the IPO, how can I still get involved? 

Will safecoins be sold on an exchange?
https://masterxchange.com/market.php?currency=maid

I'm wondering how we can get maidsafe sold in a more conventional exchange .   
legendary
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Does anyone know how long the whole Consensus Warning thing will last?   

thnx   Smiley
With the consensus warnings, the Omniwallet 'stuck', and people still waiting for BTC purchased MSAFE, im assuming theres some very frantic dev work going on, at the mo.
sr. member
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when are my maidSafecoins going to show up in https://masterchain.info/wallet.html?
 
i like this wallet! Cool
hero member
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legendary
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The IPO is start or not?
legendary
Activity: 1554
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Am I the only one that has not received their coins ?

No. Others still waiting.
hero member
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Here's a video of David Irvine explaining Safecoin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_szOW4uPD0

Start at the 5:00 mark.

A great video and would in less than 20 minutes explain away all the hero members claiming maidsafe would own and have complete access to all information.




Am I the only one that has not received their coins ?



I paid 3 different times, the first one i sent seems to have gone thru and i have gotten safecoin. but still 2 that have not been credited. Give it a another half a day and it shud show up
newbie
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Am I the only one that has not received their coins ?
legendary
Activity: 1554
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As I'm late to the IPO, how can I still get involved? 

Will safecoins be sold on an exchange?
https://masterxchange.com/market.php?currency=maid
legendary
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As I'm late to the IPO, how can I still get involved? 

Will safecoins be sold on an exchange?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
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Here's a video of David Irvine explaining Safecoin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_szOW4uPD0

Start at the 5:00 mark.
sr. member
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Honni Soit Qui Mal i Pense
how many times btc has been banned in china? 3-4?
It's a big country, yeah.  Grin Grin Grin

And yes, the reasoning level of some hero members... omg. Its like "Uh, i missed the IPO, hence, is fake. Im teh Visioner, coz i bought Bitzcoin at $4 so yu noob stfu". Yeah. Anyway, lets see how all this unfold   Cool


newbie
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HI . Is it the "consesnsus warning" at my masterchest.info a normal thing?

https://masterchest.info/consensus.aspx
+1

Also, I see my maidsafecoins balance at masterchest.info(with concesus warning), but on the web wallet https://masterchain.info/wallet.html it doesnt show anything. I used BTC at the IPO. Was it supposed to show on the web wallet or will it show on bitcoin-qt only?
full member
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HI . Is it the "consesnsus warning" at my masterchest.info a normal thing?

https://masterchest.info/consensus.aspx
member
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you were able to raise so much BTC! Oh god! Please put these people called back! Cry
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