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Topic: [ANN] Levelcoin - Proof of Stake / Proof of Burn Hybrid - Inflation Immune - page 15. (Read 44839 times)

newbie
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This is all very odd.  The author proposes a really good, novel idea.  Why would you use a proper idea to scam people, when any old thing would do?  If you have the idea you may as well do it properly. Yet it really seems to me that something isn't right here.
sr. member
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Riecoin and Huntercoin to rule all!
Here is the proof promised: http://imgur.com/edit

Ooops silly me...hold on guys

http://imgur.com/MrSNjO7


If you guys look on Page 8, Levelcoin clearly stated the Facebook profile was his.
full member
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I happen to agree with everyone's concerns. The tech behind it sounds great. Love the concept and would love to invest.

I do not get a warm fuzzy feeling on how any questions regarding the developer identifying himself are simply ignored or brushed off. 

If you ask for money, then expect to provide some level of identification for those involved.
member
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Really, some points are very similar to all scam threads.


#1 the author ignore uncomfortable questions till ipo ends

#2 the author does not show any parts of code

#3 the author contradicts himself during the discussions



Sure i like the concept but at the moment it looks not good for his reliability.


regards
hero member
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member
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If you take away all the intelligent talks by the dev and nice words on paper, this looks exactly like other scam coins.  I'm not saying this definitely IS.  I'm just saying probability is HIGH.  Invest at your own risk.  If this turns out to be scam, I hope a real dev can make this coin real.   Grin
sr. member
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Riecoin and Huntercoin to rule all!
sr. member
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Riecoin and Huntercoin to rule all!
So I have proof that Level Coin is committing identity fraud. But I don't know how to post pictures on here. Help?
newbie
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LevelCoin will investors of the current fundraiser receive a higher level coin:btc ratio than the kickstarter funders?
Is there any incentive to not wait for the kickstarter?
newbie
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Lol, why are people still responding to obvious troll LeoC/Cossak/whatever?

Just filter his comments out of any thread and BTT is suddenly quite an informative forum Smiley
member
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Like inflation imune is something new...
member
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same question

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I'd like to invest, but I don't understand why you have ignored the requests to verify by posting to your Facebook page and mirroring here, as suggested by SyRenity, or at least explain why you don't want to do it instead of just ignoring the request.

regards
hero member
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LevelCoin,

I am not actually new here and literally made an account just for my interest in this thread. I read Bitcointalk a lot but try to stay away from posting. I have been a proponent of StableCoin for a while and am hedging my bets that Artos will release the mixing service and am sincerely interested in the concept of Levelcoin.

Have you nailed down the specifics of the level rewards? You've mentioned initially doing a 250 L1 / year L2 reward causing a 4 year ROI. Later on in the comments you acknowledged that you were still considering other options. I think we would all like to know what the final reward system will be and if you have come to a final decision.

Also, do we have a gauge of what the initial IPO will be creating in regards to L1 coins? As far as I can tell the only way that coins will be generated is by either A. investing in the IPO or Kickstarter campaign, or B. production of level 1 coins by the coins purchased in A. Is there a set number you plan to produce? Will the initial investors then possibly end up with more than originally specified if the initial investments are less than anticipated or are the 100,000 and 2850 (or whatever the LTC amount was) set in stone?

Also, are you confirming the Kickstarter is complete and has been shown to the current investors?
newbie
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It could be he is doing it on purpose? Maybe he wants to say "I TOLD YOU SO" after he releases it.
I for one would like to invest but am not sure with all these comments. Escrow would ease my mind.
member
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Hi all,

I am slightly confused by the atmosphere in this thread. Basically, I am surprised that it is not more positive. This is a very interesting system from a technical perspective. I have previously discussed the possibility of creating a system with opposing economic measures here - https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1890.0.html. It might make for an interesting read for anyone interested in Levelcoin (yes, it was written in the context of the NXT system, but it should still be relevant).

If you can sufficiently understand the implications of what I have discussed there and in the associated Cybernetics Paper you will find that the Levelcoin proposal is a potentially very elegant implementation. The fact that the market liquidity is influenced by the users is incredible and decentralises the control and feedback powers of a central bank instead of simply decentralising the money issuing powers of a central bank (à la Bitcoin).

I commend the developer "Level Coin", for his long-term vision as an economic system like this has a longevity unlike most systems we are familiar with. It can effectively reach an self actualizing steady state (unlike the inevitable systemic boom-bust cycles that we are used to). I will certainly be watching this project closely and will conduct and publish research about it as it matures.

Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Al

The reason why the atmosphere is so negative here is not because of the idea behind LevelCoin.  Idea is great.  That's why we're all here discussing.  People are not happy because the dev refuses to show any proof of existence of this coin.  That's very similar to all the scam coins that stole people's money doing IPO so far.  Just words on paper and not a single line of code to back it up. 
full member
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Money be green
Hi all,

I am slightly confused by the atmosphere in this thread. Basically, I am surprised that it is not more positive. This is a very interesting system from a technical perspective. I have previously discussed the possibility of creating a system with opposing economic measures here - https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1890.0.html. It might make for an interesting read for anyone interested in Levelcoin (yes, it was written in the context of the NXT system, but it should still be relevant).

If you can sufficiently understand the implications of what I have discussed there and in the associated Cybernetics Paper you will find that the Levelcoin proposal is a potentially very elegant implementation. The fact that the market liquidity is influenced by the users is incredible and decentralises the control and feedback powers of a central bank instead of simply decentralising the money issuing powers of a central bank (à la Bitcoin).

I commend the developer "Level Coin", for his long-term vision as an economic system like this has a longevity unlike most systems we are familiar with. It can effectively reach an self actualizing steady state (unlike the inevitable systemic boom-bust cycles that we are used to). I will certainly be watching this project closely and will conduct and publish research about it as it matures.

Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Al
legendary
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Any news about the code?
newbie
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To whoever just sent 0.1 BTC, please PM me the transaction information and your e-mail.
full member
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Wrong Dave Elsinger!

I received this response from David Elsinger at EFSA when I emailed him about this offering. Level Coin, would you please settle the ID issue by doing the Facebook post.

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It's not me!

David

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:59 AM, "mail" <****@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Your name, LinkedIn profile, and Facebook profile have been mentioned in a very interesting project
> posted on the Bitcointalk forum, Level Coin by David Elsinger. I am very interested in investing in
> it, but wanted to first verify that the proposal is actually posted by you.
>
> The link to the project is https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-levelcoin-proof-of-stake-proof-of-burn-hybrid-inflation-immune-422309
>
> Thanks,



The way he responded is exactly the same. Think about it. He posted first on the forum then from his personal work e-mail.
This alone is confirmation that the Facebook, linkedin and EFSA is his. He has mentioned before he doesn't want to mix work and play.

He has security in mind. Having multiple wallets is far more secure than one wallet.
Should a wallet get lost it's better to lose less than 1 BTC than all 15 of them. Do you put all your money in one place?
People are running out of steam and grasping at straws. Pull the trigger and invest already, you've got 3 days.
full member
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I'm confused, why are you moving bitcoins to personalized wallets? I thought these bitcoins were being used for development purposes? Shouldn't you be providing them a link to their levelcoin wallet?

They are being used for development. The reason they are being separated is threefold. First there have been many unconfirmed transactions leading to wasted time trying to resolve who sent what where and if it cleared. Second, a couple of founders asked me to hold their funds in case they decided to pull out from the fundraiser, in which case I can just give them the wallet. Third, a few founders add to their funds daily, by splitting the wallets everyone is safer from human error (adding funds to the wrong person, etc). My math isn't the best. I'm not as young as I used to be, security is of utmost importance, especially when handling money.

Not sure if I buy this... a spreadsheet could accomplish the same thing (does all the math for you), but whatever floats your boat.

Again:

I'd like to invest, but I don't understand why you have ignored the requests to verify by posting to your Facebook page and mirroring here, as suggested by SyRenity, or at least explain why you don't want to do it instead of just ignoring the request.
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