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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 10, 2023, 04:49:31 PM

And since we can't verify that ''full encryption'' we have to trust that telegram is doing what they say they are doing, and this excludes bugs and flaws in code.
I also think that secret chats are only available for smartphones, not for telegram app installed on computers.

Secret chats code can be verified since it's open-source, which is distributed as a part of TDLib and Telegram FOSS client available in F-Droid, however you have noted correctly that it's only available in mobile clients. Telegram Desktop had never published or released E2EE chats as a part of their client. There is a whole Github repo dedicated to that information and a discussion.

It's worth to highlight that the official mobile Telegram client from Google Play store is closed source and may have a modified implementation of Secret Chats that send encryption keys to their servers, therefore to ensure there is no malicious Secret Chats code, one should use the Telegram FOSS client from F-Droid.

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Quote from: audereyy on October 06, 2023, 07:37:05 PM

Note that Secret Chats in Telegram is the only way to fully encrypt your messages without revealing their contents to the Telegram company. Moreover, Secret Chats are not available for bot communication.

And since we can't verify that ''full encryption'' we have to trust that telegram is doing what they say they are doing, and this excludes bugs and flaws in code.
I also think that secret chats are only available for smartphones, not for telegram app installed on computers.

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Quote from: Kauyaz on February 19, 2023, 05:22:29 PM

Why is the Telegram bot not a very privacy-respecting practice? Huh

Not only because of the explanations provided by members above, but also because Telegram bots don't use end-to-end encryption between a client and a bot, making your message data stored on Telegram servers in clear text and accessible by Telegram for extraction on law enforcement requests.

Note that Secret Chats in Telegram is the only way to fully encrypt your messages without revealing their contents to the Telegram company. Moreover, Secret Chats are not available for bot communication.

Note also that Telegram collaborates closely with the law enforcement.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on October 05, 2023, 04:58:08 PM

Quote from: dulycoin362 on September 30, 2023, 06:32:24 PM

More than 6 months have passed since Mixerdream.com started, right? I still don't see them on [banned mixer]
Does anyone know in the meantime if they really are a [banned mixer]-mixer?

I haven't been clearly following how these mixers that partner what work with [banned mixer] work, but how does one know that a mixer is in partnership with them without just forging information or partnership?

There are 7 mixers on the [banned mixer] partner page. Anyone can create a website and list Jambler or anyone else as a partner. Of course, it doesn't mean that there wasn't some kind of business agreement between these two parties, but definitely, without confirmation from Jambler, I would avoid using this mixer.

https://[banned mixer]/mix-coins.php?perpage=24#list

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Quote from: dulycoin362 on September 30, 2023, 06:32:24 PM

More than 6 months have passed since Mixerdream.com started, right? I still don't see them on [banned mixer]
Does anyone know in the meantime if they really are a [banned mixer]-mixer?

I haven't been clearly following how these mixers that partner what work with [banned mixer] work, but how does one know that a mixer is in partnership with them without just forging information or partnership?

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More than 6 months have passed since Mixerdream.com started, right? I still don't see them on [banned mixer]
Does anyone know in the meantime if they really are a [banned mixer]-mixer?

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Quote from: Kauyaz on February 19, 2023, 05:22:29 PM

Why is the Telegram bot not a very privacy-respecting practice?

Because it's a messaging service you don't have the control of, first and foremost. You don't control the Telegram bot as you control the mixer's site. Someone else is liable for the operation and privacy policy of Telegram, and you're forced to go with their way, which I find it unreasonable taking the fact that you're a mixer. As a customer, I expect you to be trustworthy. If you have to rely on the trustworthiness of third parties, the fish stinks from the head.

Secondly, Telegram isn't privacy friendly. It requires you to register with your real phone number. You can't use temporary phone numbers, and if you do find one that wasn't used before, it can be reused and some stranger can gain access to your conversations.

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Quote from: Kauyaz on February 19, 2023, 05:22:29 PM

Why is the Telegram bot not a very privacy-respecting practice? Huh

Because telegram uses a phone number that KYC must require if someone has it.

I tried using a fake number (downloading it from Play Store) to register but after a while, someone hacks my telegram which mean if used fake number is not saved than a real phone numbers were registered on a provider. so how do we hide the transaction (mixed) if KYC?

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 18, 2023, 04:18:45 AM

I'll tell you why I wouldn't use your service.

You have a Telegram bot, which isn't very privacy-respecting practice to use.

Why is the Telegram bot not a very privacy-respecting practice? Huh

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Quote from: mixerdream on February 18, 2023, 05:11:54 AM

yes, i was using google analytics, but i removed it. Now no type of service or external library is used. I know that I should modify those pages, thanks for your comment.

I think it has been a terrible mistake to use Google Analytics and Search console in a BTC mixer, that is the same as monitoring your web traffic, somehow you have extracted data from your users.

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I wouldn't really call their service expensive. 3.5% is about the average used by mixers.
'Of course, there is always something cheaper and higher. Like in a supermarket)

interacting with another service
Jambler has a white label solution. You make money but the work is externalized

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 18, 2023, 05:07:39 AM

Quote from: http://ipyg3uxi25nxq3qvo7we26o5s6irencdkndv7orbxibzgbuhjmgnafad.onion/?privacy-policy

The collection and processing of non-personal identity data on users by such services like Google AdWords, Freshdesk, etc. is performed under the provisions of the service providers’ data confidentiality policies.

If you do not want any of your information collected by similar services, you can use our TOR mirror provided on our website. The main functionality of our service is preserved in the TOR version, which eliminates any data collection by third-party services.

This is taken from Jambler's Privacy Policy (with only minor changes):

Quote from: https://[banned mixer

/privacy-policy.php]
Collection of information by third-party applications used on our website

Collection and processing of non-personal identity data on users by such services like Google AdWords, Freshdesk, etc. is performed under the provisions of service providers data confidentiality.

If you do not want any of your information collected by specified services, you can use our TOR mirror provided on our website. Main functionality of our service is preserved in the TOR version but there is no third-party services.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 18, 2023, 05:07:39 AM

Quote from: mixerdream on February 18, 2023, 04:55:16 AM

I see your comment very well, it seems good to me that you do not like the price or the text, but you are a liar since Google adwords is not used

I'm sorry if that's false, I didn't intend to lie. But your privacy policy says that you collect information by third-parties like Google Adwords, Freshdesk etc., which is contradictory. In fact, you clear it up that if you use the onion version, any data collection from such services is eliminated:

Quote from: http://ipyg3uxi25nxq3qvo7we26o5s6irencdkndv7orbxibzgbuhjmgnafad.onion/?privacy-policy

The collection and processing of non-personal identity data on users by such services like Google AdWords, Freshdesk, etc. is performed under the provisions of the service providers’ data confidentiality policies.

If you do not want any of your information collected by similar services, you can use our TOR mirror provided on our website. The main functionality of our service is preserved in the TOR version, which eliminates any data collection by third-party services.

I haven't visited the clearnet, but the privacy policy is pretty straightforward. If I'm mistaken, please tell me.

yes, i was using google analytics, but i removed it. Now no type of service or external library is used. I know that I should modify those pages, thanks for your comment.

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Quote from: mixerdream on February 18, 2023, 04:55:16 AM

I see your comment very well, it seems good to me that you do not like the price or the text, but you are a liar since Google adwords is not used

I'm sorry if that's false, I didn't intend to lie. But your privacy policy says that you collect information by third-parties like Google Adwords, Freshdesk etc., which is contradictory. In fact, you clear it up that if you use the onion version, any data collection from such services is eliminated:

Quote from: http://ipyg3uxi25nxq3qvo7we26o5s6irencdkndv7orbxibzgbuhjmgnafad.onion/?privacy-policy

The collection and processing of non-personal identity data on users by such services like Google AdWords, Freshdesk, etc. is performed under the provisions of the service providers’ data confidentiality policies.

If you do not want any of your information collected by similar services, you can use our TOR mirror provided on our website. The main functionality of our service is preserved in the TOR version, which eliminates any data collection by third-party services.

I haven't visited the clearnet, but the privacy policy is pretty straightforward. If I'm mistaken, please tell me.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 18, 2023, 04:18:45 AM

I'll tell you why I wouldn't use your service.

First of all, you say you can provide absolute privacy, which is not true. There's no such thing as absolute privacy, which gives me the impression that you haven't studied your subject well.
You're expensive. The mixer I have in my signature charges me nothing to use.
You're new. Appearing out of nowhere and making such ambiguous statements doesn't make me trust you.
You use Google adwords in your clearnet website, and I don't understand why. Don't you already charge for mixing? Why showing advertisements too? Do you know that Google is a spying company, completely the opposite of a mixer's mission?
You're interacting with another service (Jambler) and I don't understand why.
You have a Telegram bot, which isn't very privacy-respecting practice to use.
Your main page looks like it was written within 2 hours. (and you've also spelled things wrong, like "blickchain")
Giving the money back, after 6 hours isn't going to help obfuscating the activity.

I see your comment very well, it seems good to me that you do not like the price or the text, but you are a liar since Google adwords is not used, it is one thing to say what one thinks and another very different thing to lie.
If the service seems expensive to you, fine, if you don't like the text, perfect, but don't make false accusations with lies. all the best

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Farewell, Leo

I'll tell you why I wouldn't use your service.

First of all, you say you can provide absolute privacy, which is not true. There's no such thing as absolute privacy, which gives me the impression that you haven't studied your subject well.
You're expensive. The mixer I have in my signature charges me nothing to use.
You're new. Appearing out of nowhere and making such ambiguous statements doesn't make me trust you.
You use Google adwords in your clearnet website, and I don't understand why. Don't you already charge for mixing? Why showing advertisements too? Do you know that Google is a spying company, completely the opposite of a mixer's mission?
You're interacting with another service (Jambler) and I don't understand why.
You have a Telegram bot, which isn't very privacy-respecting practice to use.
Your main page looks like it was written within 2 hours. (and you've also spelled things wrong, like "blickchain")
Giving the money back, after 6 hours isn't going to help obfuscating the activity.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on February 17, 2023, 07:22:09 AM

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Seems you had a nice break. Was in vacation or what ? :-D

No, I was just waiting for a while to see forum feedback, I'm always here for anything, thanks.

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Seems you had a nice break. Was in vacation or what ? :-D

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Quote from: mixerdream on December 30, 2022, 07:13:58 AM

Mixerdream.com
Bitcoin mixer

Clearnet: https://www.mixerdream.com/
Tor-mirror: http://ipyg3uxi25nxq3qvo7we26o5s6irencdkndv7orbxibzgbuhjmgnafad.onion/
Telegram mixer bot: https://t.me/mixerdream_bot
Support: [email protected]

fully updated website, new look
thanks Royse777 for your advice

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on January 21, 2023, 11:02:33 AM

Quote from: mixerdream on January 21, 2023, 10:43:12 AM

Hello everyone, the logo of the website changed, the ONION version is fully working and in the clear version I made some changes, thank you very much for your support

Clearnet on my Firefox browser. Some files are missing I assume.

Is this your new logo in the middle?

I am sorry it can be improved much more :-)

first image problem is cache, try reloading with ctrl+f5, just changed cache expires from server, with logo, i will update it as soon as possible, i dislike logo
thanks you very much, i will continue working on it.

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