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hero member
Activity: 687
Merit: 500
the blockchain seems really "fucked" with mass orphans or another thing ..

huge utilisation 100% on my ssd & hang my windows ..
with some stucks/freez and so slow to synchro ..

wallets vrc xst xvc sdc are so smooth compared with nav ..

"Houston, we have a problem" ..
 Cool

Are you in the right block chain? have you checked vs https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nav/?
Do you have latest wallet? Have you downloaded latest blockchain?
Mate, if you want the community to help you give us more info!
I run NAV coin on a Mac with Wine emulating Windows XP with no problems and also in an old HP Windows laptop with 2gb of memory staking great.
sr. member
Activity: 473
Merit: 250
the blockchain seems really "fucked" with mass orphans or another thing ..

huge utilisation 100% on my ssd & hang my windows ..
with some stucks/freez and so slow to synchro ..

wallets vrc xst xvc sdc are so smooth compared with nav ..

"Houston, we have a problem" ..
 Cool
hero member
Activity: 687
Merit: 500
Jus ta repost to all that have problems with changing amounts or whatever. This will make you a clean wallet to stake and that is on the correct chain:

1. Delete all files instead wallet.dat and navcoin.conf from the working directory.
2. Load the latest Blockchain data (I just made an update) from www.navcoin.conf/files/Nav-Blockchain.zip
3. Unpack this zip into your working directory
4. Update the navcoin.conf :

Use this:

rpcuser=username
rpcpassword=password
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcport=44444
port=44440
listen=1
daemon=1
server=1
txindex=1
staking=0
maxorphanblocks = 10000

5. get addnodes from here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nav/#!network  (klick on "node list" from 3.6 wallet)  add this list to you navcoin.conf.
6. You have already the Wallet 3.6 ? Otherwise Download from our website please. Please do not use 3.5 anymore.
7. Start the Navcoin-qt.exe
8. make a "checkwallet" on the debug window
9. close Navcoin Wallet again
10. open CMD and go to the Navcoin wallet folder where your exe is in.
11. start your wallet with: navcoin-qt.exe -rescan


Regards
Shahim

Hi, make sure you follow this instructions.


uugh! So I think I did everything right but it won't update beyond 12 days behind, Running 3.6 the checkwallet came back as fine, running Win10, just sits there with 17 connections to the network.
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Have you downloaded the latest blockchain?

Shahim updates it quite often. I'm sure it was this week.
newbie
Activity: 26
Merit: 0
Jus ta repost to all that have problems with changing amounts or whatever. This will make you a clean wallet to stake and that is on the correct chain:

1. Delete all files instead wallet.dat and navcoin.conf from the working directory.
2. Load the latest Blockchain data (I just made an update) from www.navcoin.conf/files/Nav-Blockchain.zip
3. Unpack this zip into your working directory
4. Update the navcoin.conf :

Use this:

rpcuser=username
rpcpassword=password
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcport=44444
port=44440
listen=1
daemon=1
server=1
txindex=1
staking=0
maxorphanblocks = 10000

5. get addnodes from here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nav/#!network  (klick on "node list" from 3.6 wallet)  add this list to you navcoin.conf.
6. You have already the Wallet 3.6 ? Otherwise Download from our website please. Please do not use 3.5 anymore.
7. Start the Navcoin-qt.exe
8. make a "checkwallet" on the debug window
9. close Navcoin Wallet again
10. open CMD and go to the Navcoin wallet folder where your exe is in.
11. start your wallet with: navcoin-qt.exe -rescan


Regards
Shahim

Hi, make sure you follow this instructions.

[/quote]

uugh! So I think I did everything right but it won't update beyond 12 days behind, Running 3.6 the checkwallet came back as fine, running Win10, just sits there with 17 connections to the network.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 501

Jugelio got it right.

The main point of difference is that our system uses 2 block chains, which permanently disconnects the transactions and makes it impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that User A sent coins to User B. As far as I understand, Dash uses a single block chain and essentially just mixes the coins through their system prior to you sending them which given enough time and effort can be untangled or relies on insecure architecture such as SQL databases. We also encrypt the destination address from inside your wallet and then re-encrypt it before sending it to the outgoing server via the sub-chain to further break the connection between sender and receiver. Your intended destination is never broadcast from your computer, not even via HTTPS, only ever as an encrypted argument attached to your transaction to our server on the block chain.

Also, have you actually tried to use Dash for anonymous sending? From my testing their coin mixing protocol doesn't even work. I had my wallet open for 3 weeks trying to successfully mix just 14 DASH into "DRK" or whatever they call it and it failed every time.

Our system doesn't require any pre-mxing of coins. You just tick the "Send NAV Anonymously" box and it sends your regular NAV through our Anonymous Transaction Network instantly. Transactions are received within 5 minutes of sending. Transactions are broadcast from incoming to outgoing servers via a separate block chain (nav sub chain) and not managed by something exploitable and centralised like MySQL.

I am working towards finishing the new Anonymous Transaction Network scripts over this weekend which will enable us to bring the system back online and closer to being able to decentralise the system. More to be revealed in my weekly update on Monday once I have more info for the progress report.

Thanks for your explanation. Really interesting. I also found an older explanation why NAV and Dash are different, but they were called Navajo and Darkcoin back then. It looks similar to what you just explained.

http://themerkle.com/navajocoin-introducing-anon-transfers-using-subchains/



hero member
Activity: 794
Merit: 510
NavCoin Founder
Ok. I just doubled, to the satoshi, the 18,835.49972583 NAV Bounty.  I imagine it will show up soon.  Couldn't wait for y'all to start pledging.  


quite enthusiastic aren't you Wink But you are a fresh account so no one is taking you serious yet... but, welcome to nav. enjoy your stay, get comfy. things should be very interesting in the near future.
also, im not donating to that fund. cause if someone can crack/hack the anon on nav, then they can hack/crack anything ever and im scared for my life. #untraceable


While we're very confident no one can irrefutably trace transactions which route through the anonymous system, it wouldn't be the end of the world if the bounty were claimed. The idea of bounties are that they attract very smart people to try and think of abstract attack vectors and companies reward these people for discreetly showing the flaw so it can be patched to help the product become even stronger.

I guess though you're right in a way. If someone can undeniably trace a NAV Anon transaction it means they can crack RSA encryption and basically the whole internet is fucked lol!
hero member
Activity: 794
Merit: 510
NavCoin Founder
Ok.  NavCoin Blockchain Explorer shows the Bounty has doubled exactly: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nav/address.dws?NQH5nkBpxgjuEvqBRRbMJAKZB6UgVkwRNE.htm

The Bounty page on NAV website isn't showing it.  Maybe it has to be updated manually?

It's there: http://www.navcoin.org/bounty

It should be automatic, the bounty page reads from the chainz.cryptoid.info API. Perhaps the API is lagging behind the actual block explorer? Not sure.
legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1001
Ok. I just doubled, to the satoshi, the 18,835.49972583 NAV Bounty.  I imagine it will show up soon.  Couldn't wait for y'all to start pledging. 


quite enthusiastic aren't you Wink But you are a fresh account so no one is taking you serious yet... but, welcome to nav. enjoy your stay, get comfy. things should be very interesting in the near future.
also, im not donating to that fund. cause if someone can crack/hack the anon on nav, then they can hack/crack anything ever and im scared for my life. #untraceable
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
Ok.  NavCoin Blockchain Explorer shows the Bounty has doubled exactly: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nav/address.dws?NQH5nkBpxgjuEvqBRRbMJAKZB6UgVkwRNE.htm

The Bounty page on NAV website isn't showing it.  Maybe it has to be updated manually?

newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
Ok. I just doubled, to the satoshi, the 18,835.49972583 NAV Bounty.  I imagine it will show up soon.  Couldn't wait for y'all to start pledging. 

hero member
Activity: 794
Merit: 510
NavCoin Founder
Hi everyone. I have a question regarding NAV Coin. I read the whitepapers of both NAV Coin and DASH, but I don't seem to figure out what is the difference between both. They are both doin anonymous transactions based on mixing. At least that is my interpretation of it. Did I miss out on something important ? If so, could someone please explain this to me ? And if there is a difference, then it might be a good idea to put it on the website and even to publish this comparison on crypto site and make a youtube video about it so people are aware of it.


NAV is TRUE and 100% anonymity,  DASH not  Smiley

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I heard about this. But I want to know why. Why is NAV 100 % anonymous and DASH not ? I am not asking this question to be anti-NAV. If NAV reaches the level of DASH I will jump through my roof out of pure joy because I bought some decent amount of NAV last week. But I am not able to understand why NAV is more anonymous than DASH so if someone could explain this to me, I would be extremely thankful :-)

Jugelio got it right.

The main point of difference is that our system uses 2 block chains, which permanently disconnects the transactions and makes it impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that User A sent coins to User B. As far as I understand, Dash uses a single block chain and essentially just mixes the coins through their system prior to you sending them which given enough time and effort can be untangled or relies on insecure architecture such as SQL databases. We also encrypt the destination address from inside your wallet and then re-encrypt it before sending it to the outgoing server via the sub-chain to further break the connection between sender and receiver. Your intended destination is never broadcast from your computer, not even via HTTPS, only ever as an encrypted argument attached to your transaction to our sever on the block chain.

Also, have you actually tried to use Dash for anonymous sending? From my testing their coin mixing protocol doesn't even work. I had my wallet open for 3 weeks trying to successfully mix just 14 DASH into "DRK" or whatever they call it and it failed every time.

Our system doesn't require any pre-mxing of coins. You just tick the "Send NAV Anonymously" box and it sends your regular NAV through our Anonymous Transaction Network instantly. Transactions are received within 5 minutes of sending. Transactions are broadcast from incoming to outgoing servers via a separate block chain (nav sub chain) and not managed by something exploitable and centralised like MySQL.

I am working towards finishing the new Anonymous Transaction Network scripts over this weekend which will enable us to bring the system back online and closer to being able to decentralise the system. More to be revealed in my weekly update on Monday once I have more info for the progress report.
hero member
Activity: 794
Merit: 510
NavCoin Founder
the faucet has been down for days

I'll restart navcoind which should bring it back up Smiley
hero member
Activity: 794
Merit: 510
NavCoin Founder
What OS are you using?

UGH!

Wallet keeps crashing, ideas anyone?

Code:
Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name: AppHangB1
  Application Name: navcoin-3.6.exe
  Application Version: 3.5.0.0
  Application Timestamp: 0c370950
  Hang Signature: db0b
  Hang Type: 0
  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
  Locale ID: 1033
  Additional Hang Signature 1: db0bd499cc2428fbdaf58e5629e2a695
  Additional Hang Signature 2: 18c9
  Additional Hang Signature 3: 18c9803163cf005a9a66654392307b24
  Additional Hang Signature 4: db0b
  Additional Hang Signature 5: db0bd499cc2428fbdaf58e5629e2a695
  Additional Hang Signature 6: 18c9
  Additional Hang Signature 7: 18c9803163cf005a9a66654392307b24

legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1003
Well, That's Crypto :-\
UGH!

Wallet keeps crashing, ideas anyone?

Code:
Problem signature:
  Problem Event Name: AppHangB1
  Application Name: navcoin-3.6.exe
  Application Version: 3.5.0.0
  Application Timestamp: 0c370950
  Hang Signature: db0b
  Hang Type: 0
  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
  Locale ID: 1033
  Additional Hang Signature 1: db0bd499cc2428fbdaf58e5629e2a695
  Additional Hang Signature 2: 18c9
  Additional Hang Signature 3: 18c9803163cf005a9a66654392307b24
  Additional Hang Signature 4: db0b
  Additional Hang Signature 5: db0bd499cc2428fbdaf58e5629e2a695
  Additional Hang Signature 6: 18c9
  Additional Hang Signature 7: 18c9803163cf005a9a66654392307b24
legendary
Activity: 2165
Merit: 1002
the faucet has been down for days
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
Ok. I found info on the Bounty.  It is currently 18,835 NAV. 
I'll match all NAV Community contributions up to 1 Bitcoin worth. That would get us closer to 100,000 NAV Bounty equivalent.  A bit more respectable.  I can do it in a couple of stages.  Make your pledges on this thread.  Then I'll match them with a deposit into the NAV or Bitcoin Bounty Wallets.  Then you can fulfill your pledge.  And I'll keep matching pledges up to 1 BTC.  Offer ends August 26.  I don't live on this Forum but should check a couple of times per day on progress. 

What would be cool is if others matched my contributions up to a level they are comfortable with.  Then at some point this Bounty could become newsworthy.  Even better would be the Devs saying that all contributions to the Bounty over a total Bounty of 1,000,000 would be refunded to those loaning after a certain time period.  Maybe 6 months.  Then the Bounty could potentially become several million NAV.  Then, if NAV continues to execute....  You fill in the blank.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 501

The answer to your question was quoted 3 post before yours by juguelio, hope that help
That's not really the answer on my question. It is an explanation of how NAV works, which even gives me the feeling that the explainer isn't 100 % about it himself. I actually asked why NAV is better than Dash or Monero. NAV is called the first true anonymous coin. It can be, but anyone can make such claims. I want to know why this is and if is really better than Dash or Monero.

I mean, I don't ask this to be annoying. I ask this because I sincerily want to know this and as I am not a crypto or blockchain expert I am not able to deduce this reading from the whitepapers. I have some idea why this could be after reading the explanation of juguelio, but I am still not 100 % sure and so it would be nice if an expert could explain this. Moreover, it would be nice for people to know this. If I knew 100 % sure why NAV is better, then I could spread the word. I am on different youtube channels or crypto sites so I can do free branding anytime I want to post about NAV. And others can do the same. But before being able to do so, it would be helpful if we know why NAV is better.
legendary
Activity: 2165
Merit: 1002
Hi everyone. I have a question regarding NAV Coin. I read the whitepapers of both NAV Coin and DASH, but I don't seem to figure out what is the difference between both. They are both doin anonymous transactions based on mixing. At least that is my interpretation of it. Did I miss out on something important ? If so, could someone please explain this to me ? And if there is a difference, then it might be a good idea to put it on the website and even to publish this comparison on crypto site and make a youtube video about it so people are aware of it.


NAV is TRUE and 100% anonymity,  DASH not  Smiley


Is that true even in the current implementation of NAV?

Cause if it is why are they trying to improve it with further decentralization and stuff?
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
Is the Bounty to crack NAV still being offered?  If so, what is the bounty?  I would contribute considerably to it.  Larger the better I would think.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Smile if you're not wearing any underwear

It's the middle of the night in NZ. He will get back to this question. I think it has to do with the double encryption and not in the simple coin mix. It was explained here but WAYYYYYYYY back in the thread...May be if you guys search on Pakage's posts or Soopy's you might find it...
OK, thanks for the reply.

I am really looking forward to his reply. The answer to that question is so crucial and I think even very important when advertizing NAV. If you can explain people why NAV is better than DASH and Monero, then this would be very good publicity for NAV.

The answer to your question was quoted 3 post before yours by juguelio, hope that help
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