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Topic: [ANN] NiceHash.com - sell & buy hash rate cloud mining service / multipool - page 234. (Read 794394 times)

hero member
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What a joke this site is. 2 cancellation fees and a withdrawal fee all for 0 hashes.
sr. member
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453GH/s while consuming only 355 Watt power s3 give away miner
is that scrypt ? or SHA256

SHA256. See product link below.

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140813125800214NBU85kWt0672
hero member
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This site is such a piece of crap. I placed an order for hash and once placed and stared to run it went dead saying difficulty set to low. I could change it or the site so I had to cancel anf take the hit on cancellation fee. The I figured well I will just try a different pool should be safe because i have rented tons of rigs and sent to this pool. Same crap. Now I have to pay their fee and then I am sure their is a withdraw fee to they will hit me for all with 0 hash. Everyone if you want to rent go to beta rigs it is a much easier site. 
legendary
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453GH/s while consuming only 355 Watt power s3 give away miner
is that scrypt ? or SHA256
hero member
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crap, that explains why rewards/earnings went down dramatically.  i just started using this site too...LoL   i got that reverse midas baby =)
hero member
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Guys just made an order on nice hash, and as the order completed it stayed on the same page, then nicehash went down for maintenance, when it came back my order and btc have both gone Sad
Do they have an irc channel i can contact them in?
newbie
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So did the issue with GAW/ZEN cause NiceHash/WestHash to close down for a bit?
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WHY does nicehash use Bot to control price but not permit members to increase,decrease price and set cancel fee order  Huh IT
's not FAIR to rent hash  Angry

As stated many times before, we are not manipulating prices, orders, or any aspects of NiceHash, and we don't have our own bots with "extra features". We believe in free and open market.

But we know that buyers can be innovative, therefore we provide API and allow automation within our hashing power market. A few tips: one can setup his own pools and manage them in a programmatic way; and one could use automation tools from third-party pools and manage pool's workers in a programmatic way. All the rest is buyers ingenuity. However, to keep space and pace for manual operation as well we will introduce some limitations regarding the orders (order lifetime, etc.), but this is left for future upgrades.
IT's not FREE AND OPEN MARKER ,ONLY BOT MARKET
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However, to keep space and pace for manual operation as well we will introduce some limitations regarding the orders (order lifetime, etc.), but this is left for future upgrades.
BAN THIS CHEATER  OR YOU YOURSELF ARE USING BOTS
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After further analysis I'd HIGHLY suggest Nicehash disable their API, implement captchas for making new orders, remove the ability to modify hashpower, disallow people from refilling orders, and increase order cancellation fees to 5-10%.

Maybe you should also HIGHLY suggest to ban multipools (they are an essence of coin difficulty arbitrage) and coin exchange APIs (bots steal good prices!). Also, imagine there are exchanges running arbitrages themselves! This all should be banned!

Yeah, that's what arbitrage does - targets market inefficiencies and destroys them. You will have live with it.

(I am not running arbitrages of any kind myself).

Multipools can't be manipualted the way NH is being manipulated right now. They're two completely different things. Exchange API bots are here to stay, unfortunately, NH however is the only game that does what they do with the supported algos. This would be better if they were a multipool.

NH can stop this. Don't act like they can't. There aren't a dozen or so NH's floating around with the same amount of hashing power. NH is the only game in town and hashing power is a finite resource. It's all starting to pool here, if you don't kill off arbitrage the miners will go under as they'll push the prices down to power break even/shutdown for miners. Then no one wins, except the 2-3 people running arbitrage bots on NH right now.

As explained several times before already, we will not interfere with market in any kind.

You're already interfering with the market by allowing arbitrage bots into miner territory! Miners could actually profit off protocols, now you're gathering them all up and executing them. This isn't 'organic' and this sort of market didn't even exist before NH showed up. This isn't the same as rental pools such as MMR. MMR doesn't allow automated rentals and doesn't just feed out hashrate to bots.

Allowing a handful of people to complete rape the market is like willfully trying to destroy it and don't pretend this is natural and orderly. This didn't even exist up till recently and you're allowing them to manipulate your system to further destroy the market.

I don't understand where the lack of interference comes from either. I didn't say NH should be shut down, but BOTS, non-human entities that automatically push humans out of the market should be eliminated. You have all these rules setup when people setup their orders to try to make the system seem 'fair', you even talk about how Westhash exists so we don't get cheated out of a few fraction of hashing power, but then you allow them to completely manipulate, knowingly let them manipulate the market, which completely wrecks the whole thing.

Earlier tonight there were placeholder orders on .2 through .3, where one person was controlling all the hashrate. He'd top up his orders when they were low, so people wouldn't end up underneath. Eventually people simply canceled their orders, the price would drop through all the ranks of his orders as they set them to .05 GH of power, and then the bottom order above the next highest that wasn't them would be set to infinite or a really high number. This was on Nicehash too, Westhash has the same guy completely controlling x15 I mentioned last week.

I think you're confusing regulation for blatant exploitation of miners and buyers by automated entities. How is making a human set up orders regulating the market anyway? That's the way it's done in the first place. Making a penalty for people trying to cancel orders also encourage people to ride things out. Disallowing people from changing their hashrate prevents placeholder orders which are being used to push people out of the market (which otherwise would increase prices). There is even a bit about placeholders in the FAQ, yet it's broken and placeholders still exist.
They don't cancel order,simple order mark as "DEAD" and drop hash with low price ,and active to top up .Nicehash accept BOTs or themself use BOTs ,and rape all renters by not permit to increase,decrease price.F*ck all BOTs
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I realize this may have been answered in a different post, but the thread is 100+ pages, so if someone (especially nicehash) has already answered, please forgive me.

So the question is this - why does the NH pool request work restarts so often? Even when I'm hashing the same order (I know for sure because there was only one active one and all miners on the pool were assigned to it), the pool requests work restart every 10 seconds or so. This has dramatic effect on the average hash rate. For example I have a really stable 3.5 TH on regular pools, but on NH with all the work restart requests, it drops down to 2.9-3.1. So this actually means that any increase in pay-per-GH over a regular pool will be negated by the significant decrease in your rig speed.

Couldn't it be adjusted so that there is no work restarts unless you change the order you are hashing for, or something similar? See the screenshots, work restarts 10-12 seconds apart.




BOTs control order on nicehash ,when order is "DEAD" ,your miners restart with new pool of new order (same pool of old order or diffirent pool),andwhen  BOTs control 3-5 order "DEAD" same time and your miner restart many times
legendary
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So the question is this - why does the NH pool request work restarts so often? Even when I'm hashing the same order (I know for sure because there was only one active one and all miners on the pool were assigned to it), the pool requests work restart every 10 seconds or so. This has dramatic effect on the average hash rate. For example I have a really stable 3.5 TH on regular pools, but on NH with all the work restart requests, it drops down to 2.9-3.1. So this actually means that any increase in pay-per-GH over a regular pool will be negated by the significant decrease in your rig speed.

Couldn't it be adjusted so that there is no work restarts unless you change the order you are hashing for, or something similar? See the screenshots, work restarts 10-12 seconds apart.



What you are seeing on your miner is actually what the buyer's target pool is sending to you. Our system does not produce work restarts since we are forwarding work from buyers target pool to your miner. Some buyers are targeting orders on some pools which are generating lots of work restarts. This is usually a symptom of multipools which are switching coins very fast and don't have an efficient implementation of coin switching. In some cases this is also a result of some custom private single-coin pools. We addressed this issue a long time ago so that we reward miners (sellers) with extra shares when fast work restarts happens. So it is very important for you to monitor the hashrate, reported on our website (it is calculated from shares, rewarded to your miner) and the actual earnings, not only the hashrate that is displayed by your miner, since in this cases you will be rewarded for more then your miner is showing you.
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*  Perhaps NiceHash gives a little more of the block reward to the workers ?  
*  Perhaps NiceHash is really nicer ?

The site says they make 4 daily automatic payments--however they didn't specify what the minimum payment amount must be ?  Anyone know the answer to that ?  i should probably go back to page one of this thread =)

FYI, GAW rocks !
hero member
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Just a dumb newbie question- I like WestHash, my S3's are running like raped apes on it, and I'm pleased with the payouts; a little more than I get from mining on a pool and with no variance.

But my question is economic. The site only accepts BTC for payment which means the renters already have BTC, and if they wanted an alt they could just trade for it.

The only explanations I can think of for them wanting to rent my rigs for a surcharge are:

1. They are hashing something hidden, something not trading on exchanges and perhaps not even a coin as we know it.

2. They are hashing an alt that is much more profitable to mine than buy.

3. They have their reasons for not wanting to use an exchange, and we are laundering.

All 3 of these possibilities are fine by me, but the possibilities are interesting to me. Any ideas?
sr. member
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I'd like to just see the sha pool as alive on my miners...


I'm running S1s and they're connecting to port 3334, fyi... but the pool shows as dead for some reason.

I have the same problem with my S3s
legendary
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I am trying to run an avalon3 module on nicehash / westhash, it just gets HW counts when otherwise it would be finding shares. Tested on other pools, works just fine. Whats in nicehash / westhash mining protocol thats different ... that the avalon3 doesnt like?! =( Is there any way to get it fixed?
Also, Im using newest cgminer 4.6.0


Thanks
hero member
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just found out about this pool, from what i read, payouts are better than all other pools.  sign me up !
full member
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WHY does nicehash use Bot to control price but not permit members to increase,decrease price and set cancel fee order  Huh IT
's not FAIR to rent hash  Angry

As stated many times before, we are not manipulating prices, orders, or any aspects of NiceHash, and we don't have our own bots with "extra features". We believe in free and open market.

But we know that buyers can be innovative, therefore we provide API and allow automation within our hashing power market. A few tips: one can setup his own pools and manage them in a programmatic way; and one could use automation tools from third-party pools and manage pool's workers in a programmatic way. All the rest is buyers ingenuity. However, to keep space and pace for manual operation as well we will introduce some limitations regarding the orders (order lifetime, etc.), but this is left for future upgrades.
You can enable captcha mode for order  1 time "DEAD" in 2 hours (must type captcha to active order) and 5 times "DEAD" in 4 hours (must confirm mail to active order)
legendary
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I'd like to just see the sha pool as alive on my miners...


I'm running S1s and they're connecting to port 3334, fyi... but the pool shows as dead for some reason.
hero member
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Last 2 days the pool requests work restart every 5-10 seconds. And Im away from nh
newbie
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I realize this may have been answered in a different post, but the thread is 100+ pages, so if someone (especially nicehash) has already answered, please forgive me.

So the question is this - why does the NH pool request work restarts so often? Even when I'm hashing the same order (I know for sure because there was only one active one and all miners on the pool were assigned to it), the pool requests work restart every 10 seconds or so. This has dramatic effect on the average hash rate. For example I have a really stable 3.5 TH on regular pools, but on NH with all the work restart requests, it drops down to 2.9-3.1. So this actually means that any increase in pay-per-GH over a regular pool will be negated by the significant decrease in your rig speed.

Couldn't it be adjusted so that there is no work restarts unless you change the order you are hashing for, or something similar? See the screenshots, work restarts 10-12 seconds apart.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ytwtah.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/1zeb0ac.jpg
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