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Topic: [ANN] Nxt to NEX Buy In - Exchange 1 Nxt for 50 NEX (MODERATED) - page 14. (Read 21741 times)

sr. member
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I'm revising my original 500Nxt pledge to just 50Nxt =2500 Nex
reason is Nex is not gonna be a Nxt clone as you originally announced (and many pledged their nxt based on that asumption).
I appreciate that you are now trying to do something different/better as you say but it won't be easy and if you pull it off will take too much time.
also closing the original thread cos you couldn't moderate it made me more cautious
gl

Extee - you might want to change your mind again! NEX will be a Nxt clone with only one or two changes:

No just straight clone.

Maybe just the address to the way bitcoin does it..... maybe just that.

Or if easy,  replace also the persistence implementation.

Replace persistence after first release.
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legendary
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(1) No database.
(2) Poor wallet security.
(3) Insecure proof of stake scheme.
(4) Difficult address formatting.
(5) Closed source
(6) Anonymous founder and anonymous developers
(7) 21 BTC buy 100% of 1 billion coins,  how fair is that?
(Cool Uneven distribution,  4 guys have like 70% of all the coins.


Please let us know what NEX will do compared to NXT.

(1 ) What database will you implement? What programming language btw.?
-> LevelDB.  Java
(2 ) How is the proposed security mechanism? Some pseudo-code would be nice.
-> Bitcoin like Wallet
(3 ) How is the currently implemented PoS insecure? How do you intend to improve it? Give some technical details please.
-> Hybrid with Proof of Burn
(4 ) How is the address space of NEX designed?
-> NEX id is just the public key of the user pass phrase.   There is no checksum.  There is no user recognizable identifier that it is a NEX id.  Public key therefore can be hacked because pass pass phrase follows human patterns.
(5 ) Where did you upload the alpha version of NEX? It's open from the beginning I assume, right?
-> When available, we will people know.
(6 ) You are Carlos Perez, correct? Who are your developers?
-> Carlos Perez is the lead developer.
(7 ) You plan to rise 1 Mio NXT as buyin,  how is that fair compared to the 21 BTCs?
-> We limit the amount of NXT you can buy.  We keep it open until all 1 million is consumed.   We do not close it early.
(8 ) How will you defend issuing NEX to the same guys (sockpuppet problem)? What will be your stake in NEX? What stakes will your partners and developers get?
-> We have are engaging several partners and this has yet to be determines.  The final distribution will be let know before a single NXT cent is spent.  Oh... sorry... did not realize that NXT doesn't have decimal places.

Best of luck with your Nxt.

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(1 ) What database will you implement? What programming language btw.?
-> LevelDB.  Java

thanks

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(3 ) How is the currently implemented PoS insecure? How do you intend to improve it? Give some technical details please.

How is it insecure?

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-> Hybrid with Proof of Burn

Details?

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(4 ) How is the address space of NEX designed?
-> NEX id is just the public key of the user pass phrase.   There is no checksum.  There is no user recognizable identifier that it is a NEX id.  Public key therefore can be hacked because pass pass phrase follows human patterns.

Ok

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(5 ) Where did you upload the alpha version of NEX? It's open from the beginning I assume, right?
-> When available, we will people know.

ok, eta (weeks? months? years?)

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(6 ) You are Carlos Perez, correct? Who are your developers?
-> Carlos Perez is the lead developer.

thanks, founder=lead developer=carlos perez
CV?
other devs? still a bit foggy elsewise...

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(7 ) You plan to rise 1 Mio NXT as buyin,  how is that fair compared to the 21 BTCs?
-> We limit the amount of NXT you can buy.  We keep it open until all 1 million is consumed.   We do not close it early.

what if you don't reach the million? closing date?

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(8 ) How will you defend issuing NEX to the same guys (sockpuppet problem)? What will be your stake in NEX? What stakes will your partners and developers get?
-> We have are engaging several partners and this has yet to be determines.  The final distribution will be let know before a single NXT cent is spent.  Oh... sorry... did not realize that NXT doesn't have decimal places.

open: How will you defend issuing NEX to the same guys (sockpuppet problem)?

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Best of luck with your Nxt.

Oh, flattering, but NXT is not mine at all, but I think NXT is great nevertheless!
rb2
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1000 Nxt if this materialises
legendary
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(1) No database.
(2) Poor wallet security.
(3) Insecure proof of stake scheme.
(4) Difficult address formatting.
(5) Closed source
(6) Anonymous founder and anonymous developers
(7) 21 BTC buy 100% of 1 billion coins,  how fair is that?
(Cool Uneven distribution,  4 guys have like 70% of all the coins.


Please let us know what NEX will do compared to NXT.

(1 ) What database will you implement? What programming language btw.?
-> LevelDB.  Java
(2 ) How is the proposed security mechanism? Some pseudo-code would be nice.
-> Bitcoin like Wallet
(3 ) How is the currently implemented PoS insecure? How do you intend to improve it? Give some technical details please.
-> Hybrid with Proof of Burn
(4 ) How is the address space of NEX designed?
-> NEX id is just the public key of the user pass phrase.   There is no checksum.  There is no user recognizable identifier that it is a NEX id.  Public key therefore can be hacked because pass pass phrase follows human patterns.
(5 ) Where did you upload the alpha version of NEX? It's open from the beginning I assume, right?
-> When available, we will people know.
(6 ) You are Carlos Perez, correct? Who are your developers?
-> Carlos Perez is the lead developer.
(7 ) You plan to rise 1 Mio NXT as buyin,  how is that fair compared to the 21 BTCs?
-> We limit the amount of NXT you can buy.  We keep it open until all 1 million is consumed.   We do not close it early.
(8 ) How will you defend issuing NEX to the same guys (sockpuppet problem)? What will be your stake in NEX? What stakes will your partners and developers get?
-> We have are engaging several partners and this has yet to be determines.  The final distribution will be let know before a single NXT cent is spent.  Oh... sorry... did not realize that NXT doesn't have decimal places.

Best of luck with your Nxt.
newbie
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50 NXT for 2500 NEX pledged.
full member
Activity: 171
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I'm revising my original 500Nxt pledge to just 50Nxt =2500 Nex
reason is Nex is not gonna be a Nxt clone as you originally announced (and many pledged their nxt based on that asumption).
I appreciate that you are now trying to do something different/better as you say but it won't be easy and if you pull it off will take too much time.
also closing the original thread cos you couldn't moderate it made me more cautious
gl

legendary
Activity: 1181
Merit: 1002

(1) No database.
(2) Poor wallet security.
(3) Insecure proof of stake scheme.
(4) Difficult address formatting.
(5) Closed source
(6) Anonymous founder and anonymous developers
(7) 21 BTC buy 100% of 1 billion coins,  how fair is that?
(Cool Uneven distribution,  4 guys have like 70% of all the coins.


Please let us know what NEX will do compared to NXT.

(1 ) What database will you implement? What programming language btw.?
(2 ) How is the proposed security mechanism? Some pseudo-code would be nice.
(3 ) How is the currently implemented PoS insecure? How do you intend to improve it? Give some technical details please.
(4 ) How is the address space of NEX designed?
(5 ) Where did you upload the alpha version of NEX? It's open from the beginning I assume, right?
(6 ) You are Carlos Perez, correct? Who are your developers?
(7 ) You plan to rise 1 Mio NXT as buyin,  how is that fair compared to the 21 BTCs?
(8 ) How will you defend issuing NEX to the same guys (sockpuppet problem)? What will be your stake in NEX? What stakes will your partners and developers get?

I'm looking forward to your honest and detailed answers.

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I would like to go in for 2500 NXT
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I just PM'ed and would like to invest 10,000 NXT.
legendary
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Invest in your knowledge
Friction add my cap to 2000 NXT
newbie
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This is the FAIR distribution (100% proof of stake) that the Nxt folks are so proud of:
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt

Looks like 9 guys have a lot of stake. 

170 mega account didn't belong to anyone, it was used for unclaimed coins, they were being given to their owners till 3 January.


Hmmmm....  okay.... still you have 8 accounts that is 40%.   What about those accounts.  Who did it go to?
He blurred something, that is ,the NXT owner are far far fewer than BTC, let alone USD.
ever though bitcoin is 0.005% holding 28%, it's sill more more more than NXT's  counterpart.
0.001% Americans has 30% USD, that is  Americans' population × 0.001%,maybe (I guess)  more than all of NXT owner.
legendary
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This is the FAIR distribution (100% proof of stake) that the Nxt folks are so proud of:
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt

Looks like 9 guys have a lot of stake.  

170 mega account didn't belong to anyone, it was used for unclaimed coins, they were being given to their owners till 3 January.


Hmmmm....  okay.... still you have 8 accounts that is 40%.   What about those accounts.  Who did it go to?
to everyone who paid 1 Bitcoin

Okay... did the original devs get any coin?   Is so,  how much?

Q:    how many bitcoins are you going to contribute? (Are you going to keep the coins you contributed yourself?  Or you will take a creator cut (certain %)
BCNext::    I don't know how much I will contribute.  This depends on the price of Bitcoin and some other factors.  These bitcoins, like the others, will be used to pay bounties for development.  No creator cut.

What happened with the 21 Bitcoins?

Bitcoins were required to determine how to split the stake among founders. That's why BCNext asked for tiny amounts. These bitcoins were used to fund development but they covered only part of expenses. When people talk about Nxt IPO they forget about this important detail.  21 Bitcoins were used as a token amount. They didn’t represent any real world development costs.  BCNext did everything only for the people, not for the money.

The original funding period was open for over a month and a half.  That was more than enough time for everyone who wanted to invest to invest.  The only reason he only collected 21 BTC was because there was very little interest.  No matter when the IPO period ends there will always be people who are "left out".  You could conduct the IPO over a period of a thousand years and there would still be people "left out".



Do you have text that explains the 170 million unclaimed.   
hero member
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This is the FAIR distribution (100% proof of stake) that the Nxt folks are so proud of:
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt

Looks like 9 guys have a lot of stake.  

170 mega account didn't belong to anyone, it was used for unclaimed coins, they were being given to their owners till 3 January.


Hmmmm....  okay.... still you have 8 accounts that is 40%.   What about those accounts.  Who did it go to?
to everyone who paid 1 Bitcoin

Okay... did the original devs get any coin?   Is so,  how much?

Q:    how many bitcoins are you going to contribute? (Are you going to keep the coins you contributed yourself?  Or you will take a creator cut (certain %)
BCNext::    I don't know how much I will contribute.  This depends on the price of Bitcoin and some other factors.  These bitcoins, like the others, will be used to pay bounties for development.  No creator cut.

What happened with the 21 Bitcoins?

Bitcoins were required to determine how to split the stake among founders. That's why BCNext asked for tiny amounts. These bitcoins were used to fund development but they covered only part of expenses. When people talk about Nxt IPO they forget about this important detail.  21 Bitcoins were used as a token amount. They didn’t represent any real world development costs.  BCNext did everything only for the people, not for the money.

The original funding period was open for over a month and a half.  That was more than enough time for everyone who wanted to invest to invest.  The only reason he only collected 21 BTC was because there was very little interest.  No matter when the IPO period ends there will always be people who are "left out".  You could conduct the IPO over a period of a thousand years and there would still be people "left out".

legendary
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This is the FAIR distribution (100% proof of stake) that the Nxt folks are so proud of:
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt

Looks like 9 guys have a lot of stake. 

170 mega account didn't belong to anyone, it was used for unclaimed coins, they were being given to their owners till 3 January.


Hmmmm....  okay.... still you have 8 accounts that is 40%.   What about those accounts.  Who did it go to?
to everyone who paid 1 Bitcoin

Okay... did the original devs get any coin?   Is so,  how much?
hero member
Activity: 490
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This is the FAIR distribution (100% proof of stake) that the Nxt folks are so proud of:
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt

Looks like 9 guys have a lot of stake. 

170 mega account didn't belong to anyone, it was used for unclaimed coins, they were being given to their owners till 3 January.


Hmmmm....  okay.... still you have 8 accounts that is 40%.   What about those accounts.  Who did it go to?
to everyone who paid 1 Bitcoin
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legendary
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This is the FAIR distribution (100% proof of stake) that the Nxt folks are so proud of:
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt

Looks like 9 guys have a lot of stake. 

170 mega account didn't belong to anyone, it was used for unclaimed coins, they were being given to their owners till 3 January.


Hmmmm....  okay.... still you have 8 accounts that is 40%.   What about those accounts.  Who did it go to?
hero member
Activity: 490
Merit: 504
This is the FAIR distribution (100% proof of stake) that the Nxt folks are so proud of:
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt

Looks like 9 guys have a lot of stake. 

170 mega account didn't belong to anyone, it was used for unclaimed coins, they were being given to their owners till 3 January.

This is a real and fair Nxt distribution, do not listen to his liar.

legendary
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This is a graph of the original NXT distribution.  73 accounts.

Here are the numbers:

36742
1970092
349130
24880020
2867856
9975150
2690963
7648
5486333
34913026
997515
30922966
6650
44888
2468850
49875751  <-- Did he pay in?
49875751  <-- Did he pay in?
9476393
49875751 <-- Did he pay in?
14887912
528683
583546
7315
19925363
29856290
5320
4987575
5985
24912938
49875751 <-- Did he pay in?
2724712
1482474
200999
1476156
498758
987540
16625250
5264386
15487585
2684479
14962725
34913026
5033128
2916900
49875751 <-- Did he pay in?
4962637
170486123 <--- 170 million Nxt
8644631
22166945
6668388
233751
4987575
11083556
1845403
49876
3491
3491
9476
49876
6151
682633
49875751 <-- Did he pay in?
482964
4988
49875751 <-- Did he pay in?
4988
9144
503745
49875751 <-- Did he pay in? Yup, 50million each
52370
29437998
585375
9975150
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