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Topic: [ANN] Orbitcoin v1.6.0.0 ~ NeoScrypt ~ Green Stake ~ 4 Years Old - page 113. (Read 201256 times)

legendary
Activity: 1242
Merit: 1020
No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
Thanks. I've used coin control before, but every time I've done it, I've had to break the coins up manually in multiple transactions. I think the issue with ORB vs say TEK (well, aside from TEK not staking atm Tongue) is that it seems like you have to watch the ORB to get it to stake right, and keep breaking them down. I think it'd help adoptions, at least from high PoS investors, if it was a "set and forget" sort of thing.

You may forget once set. All inputs end up 25 to 50 ORB in size while staking. Smaller inputs get combined and larger inputs get split in the process.
hero member
Activity: 763
Merit: 534
Thanks. I've used coin control before, but every time I've done it, I've had to break the coins up manually in multiple transactions. I think the issue with ORB vs say TEK (well, aside from TEK not staking atm Tongue) is that it seems like you have to watch the ORB to get it to stake right, and keep breaking them down. I think it'd help adoptions, at least from high PoS investors, if it was a "set and forget" sort of thing.
legendary
Activity: 1242
Merit: 1020
No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
Dumb question. Is it possible to split a block into like x number of 50 coin blocks in one transaction? Or will I have to do it like 200 times by hand on a 10k coin block?

You can use the 'sendmany' RPC command. This is how I do it from the commandline:

orbitcoind sendmany "" '{"addr1":amount1,"addr2":amount2}'

Note: I think if you do this within the debug console of the QT client you omit the single quotes. Not 100% sure.

I've shown two addresses in this example, so just add more in the same format. I presume you can also send to the same address (do a small test first) but if you're wanting to split for staking purposes you probably want to send to separate addresses anyway.

How would you use this to break down say a 10k ORB block in a single go? Could it just be address:50 copy and pasted like 200 times?

All output addresses must be different for a single transaction. You can also do that in the Qt client. Split 10K ORB into 10x 1K ORB first, then each one into 10x 100 ORB using the same addresses and leave them staking.


Can you have a step-by-step guide to how to do this for the dummies like myself? I'd be interested in fooling with ORB if this is like a one click thing, but the blocks need to be too small and the value is too low atm to do this versus investing in another high PoS coin. That and I'm lazy Tongue

Could someone please explain to me how to use coin control?
hero member
Activity: 763
Merit: 534
Dumb question. Is it possible to split a block into like x number of 50 coin blocks in one transaction? Or will I have to do it like 200 times by hand on a 10k coin block?

You can use the 'sendmany' RPC command. This is how I do it from the commandline:

orbitcoind sendmany "" '{"addr1":amount1,"addr2":amount2}'

Note: I think if you do this within the debug console of the QT client you omit the single quotes. Not 100% sure.

I've shown two addresses in this example, so just add more in the same format. I presume you can also send to the same address (do a small test first) but if you're wanting to split for staking purposes you probably want to send to separate addresses anyway.

How would you use this to break down say a 10k ORB block in a single go? Could it just be address:50 copy and pasted like 200 times?

All output addresses must be different for a single transaction. You can also do that in the Qt client. Split 10K ORB into 10x 1K ORB first, then each one into 10x 100 ORB using the same addresses and leave them staking.


Can you have a step-by-step guide to how to do this for the dummies like myself? I'd be interested in fooling with ORB if this is like a one click thing, but the blocks need to be too small and the value is too low atm to do this versus investing in another high PoS coin. That and I'm lazy Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1884
Merit: 1005
Ive got a problem with the new wallet.

I have a few thousand Inputs and had to redownload the blockchain. But at some point (10 weeks ago) it just crashes.

Sovled: Seems like my mining-rig doesnt have enough "power" so it crashes :b - went well on my Gaming PC.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1092

$ ./orbitcoind -datadir=. repairwallet
{
    "mismatched spent coins" : 18,
    "amount affected by repair" : 302.01000000
}


... but the balance hasn't changed. Subsequent checkwallet passes.

I haven't done any transactions (no sends, receives, stakes, or PoW mining) for around a month. 43000+ confirms for most recent addition to transaction list.

v1.4.2.0-orb, *nix daemon

Any ideas?
legendary
Activity: 1242
Merit: 1020
No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
P.S.
Also seems new wallet modify database in way making it incompatible with previous ver. Uprage form 1.4.2 to 1.4.2.2 went OK, but after roll back to 1.4.2 (only replace executables) wallet not working (report some king of database error) and i restore whole database from backup too.
It is expected behavior?

BerkeleyDB upgraded from v4.8 to v5.3. It is used for wallet.dat. There is no downgrade.
legendary
Activity: 1242
Merit: 1020
No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
Dumb question. Is it possible to split a block into like x number of 50 coin blocks in one transaction? Or will I have to do it like 200 times by hand on a 10k coin block?

You can use the 'sendmany' RPC command. This is how I do it from the commandline:

orbitcoind sendmany "" '{"addr1":amount1,"addr2":amount2}'

Note: I think if you do this within the debug console of the QT client you omit the single quotes. Not 100% sure.

I've shown two addresses in this example, so just add more in the same format. I presume you can also send to the same address (do a small test first) but if you're wanting to split for staking purposes you probably want to send to separate addresses anyway.

How would you use this to break down say a 10k ORB block in a single go? Could it just be address:50 copy and pasted like 200 times?

All output addresses must be different for a single transaction. You can also do that in the Qt client. Split 10K ORB into 10x 1K ORB first, then each one into 10x 100 ORB using the same addresses and leave them staking.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1092
How would you use this to break down say a 10k ORB block in a single go? Could it just be address:50 copy and pasted like 200 times?

I guess so. Try with a few entries and a smaller amount first to check. You may run into commandline size limits (eg the command length is too long) with 200 entries though.

I did notice that using sendmany will result in a lower net fee; presumably it's more efficient than sending individual transactions and is rewarded appropriately.
hero member
Activity: 763
Merit: 534
Dumb question. Is it possible to split a block into like x number of 50 coin blocks in one transaction? Or will I have to do it like 200 times by hand on a 10k coin block?

You can use the 'sendmany' RPC command. This is how I do it from the commandline:

orbitcoind sendmany "" '{"addr1":amount1,"addr2":amount2}'

Note: I think if you do this within the debug console of the QT client you omit the single quotes. Not 100% sure.

I've shown two addresses in this example, so just add more in the same format. I presume you can also send to the same address (do a small test first) but if you're wanting to split for staking purposes you probably want to send to separate addresses anyway.

How would you use this to break down say a 10k ORB block in a single go? Could it just be address:50 copy and pasted like 200 times?
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1092
Dumb question. Is it possible to split a block into like x number of 50 coin blocks in one transaction? Or will I have to do it like 200 times by hand on a 10k coin block?

You can use the 'sendmany' RPC command. This is how I do it from the commandline:

orbitcoind sendmany "" '{"addr1":amount1,"addr2":amount2}'

Note: I think if you do this within the debug console of the QT client you omit the single quotes. Not 100% sure.

I've shown two addresses in this example, so just add more in the same format. I presume you can also send to the same address (do a small test first) but if you're wanting to split for staking purposes you probably want to send to separate addresses anyway.
hero member
Activity: 763
Merit: 534
Dumb question. Is it possible to split a block into like x number of 50 coin blocks in one transaction? Or will I have to do it like 200 times by hand on a 10k coin block?
hero member
Activity: 894
Merit: 1001
New wallet not count orphan transactions?

But it not correspond to amount of "missing" tx.
I dump my tx database to excel and count:
9487 normal (confirmed) transactions + 357 orphans
old wallet shows 9844 tx (its OK: 9487+357=9844)
New wallet show 9637 tx (9487 + Huh ) while confirmed tx count is only 9487

About balance - actually them show same amont, but old "steady" and new jumping with each block (to wrong value and back to right after few sec or next block)

P.S.
Also seems new wallet modify database in way making it incompatible with previous ver. Uprage form 1.4.2 to 1.4.2.2 went OK, but after roll back to 1.4.2 (only replace executables) wallet not working (report some king of database error) and i restore whole database from backup too.
It is expected behavior?
legendary
Activity: 1242
Merit: 1020
No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
- wrong balance info (more precisely: it jumping from correct value to incorrect after each block received and back to correct value after next block, after next block incorrect again and so on)

It was wrong previously. It's correct now.

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- wrong number of transactions counter (my main wallet now contain 9844 tx, but after update it gows down to 9637 tx. also i try my old wallet.dat from backup with 9316 tx, and after rescan and adding +528 "new" transactions after bacup point counter still shows only 9637 tx  )

The difference is orphans removed. My primary wallet has "lost" 3.6K transactions this way down to 55K.
hero member
Activity: 894
Merit: 1001
Try new 1.4.2.2.

New GUI tools nice and handy (especially for inexperienced users).

But something wrong with work of new "balance calculation and display".
After udate from 1.4.2 i got
- wrong balance info (more precisely: it jumping from correct value to incorrect after each block received and back to correct value after next block, after next block incorrect again and so on)
- wrong number of transactions counter (my main wallet now contain 9844 tx, but after update it gows down to 9637 tx. also i try my old wallet.dat from backup with 9316 tx, and after rescan and adding +528 "new" transactions after bacup point counter still shows only 9637 tx  )

So i roll back to 1.4.2
legendary
Activity: 1242
Merit: 1020
No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
Orbitcoin v1.4.2.2 released. Many GUI enhancements:

- better balance calculation and display;
- stake miner controls;
- wallet lock/unlock (also for staking only);
- wallet keys export/import;
- wallet inspect/repair.

RPC getinfo can tell how many coins have been PoW and PoS mined by your wallet.
hero member
Activity: 894
Merit: 1001
I collect some statistic and do some math about current (after Staking Bonanza end) ORB staking for myself.
But think it may be interesting for other users to, so i post it here.

I collect 5 days of statistic from my own wallet with ~20k ORBs staking 24/7.
It is not new wallet - it staking few month already so all processes stabilize. I do not any manual corrections and allow wallet to manage all automatically.
And at current difficulty level (it fluctuate in range from 0.0075 to 0.012 while i collect statistic) i got this numbers:

average size of inputs in my wallet: 37.6 ORBs (initially i split inputs manual but later allow wallet do all splitting automatically so now it is random set of sizes from 25 to 50 ORBs, with average = 37.6 ORBs)

average time to generate PoS blocks for single input: 11.5 days (5 days to mature enough to start staking + 6.5 days of staking with continuously growing weight)

So with fixed PoS reward (1 ORB per block now) current interest rate: 1/37.6/11.5*100 = ~0.23% per day
Or
0.23%*365 = 84% annual interest rate (by simple % formula)
(1.0023^365-1)*100 = 131% annual interest rate (by complex % formula - if you reinvest all rewards generated and keep them all in wallet staking too)

Not bad at all even after Bonanza end! Smiley

Note 1: It is for 24/7 staking wallet with 24/7 Internet connection to ORB network. For example if you run only half day - you got only about half of interest too. (it is a big difference to classic PoS coins where no material stimulus to run wallets 24/7)

Note 2: while PoS reward is fixed in ORBs in % of interest rate it not fixed and highly depends on PoS difficulty(but not linear). Numbers above correct for current diff range (0.0075 - 0.012). If diff goes up (more miners begin staking or same miners add additional coins to staking wallets) % interest rate goes down. And vice versa. So it is nice self-balancing process here.
hero member
Activity: 894
Merit: 1001

Thank you. That's an interesting mechanic. However, it looks like say you split 10k into 20 coin blocks. You'll get the first reward, but since a stake causes the coins to split (into 10 coin blocks), you'll never get another reward since none of the blocks are sized at 20. Is this also correct?
No wallet split automatically only inputs >= 50 ORBs. Wallet not split inputs < 50 ORBs. So minimum value after auto-split is 25 ORBs.
Wallet also can combine few small (< 20 ORBs) inputs to make one input > 20 ORBs(which needed to form correct PoS block) if one of such small inputs find block, but at current difficulty it will take many time to find block for small inputs (few weeks of staking).
legendary
Activity: 1242
Merit: 1020
No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
I thought I explained clearly ...
No, at the initial stage (first few weeks), the difference will be huge:
- if left 10k coins just by one big transaction - after 5 days will generate just 1 block (and awarded 1 coin). and the transaction will be divided into two (2x5000 coins). After a next  5 days will be generated 2 blocks (+2 coin awards, 3 total) and two transactions are divided into four (4x2500) and so on until wallet not split all transactions to <50 ORBs pcs
- if you manual split 10k to many small inputs (for example 250x40) you will get 250 blocks and 250 coins as reward (but it will take not just 5 days but about 2 weeks at current difficulty - because smaller input - longer it staking before find blocks)

But in long term is no any difference between manual and automatic - after some time (depend of size of initial transaction) all transactions will be split by wallet to 25-50 coins inputs.

So you decide - to spend time at the beginning to immediately start earning the highest returns possible or leave everything to automatically wallet control and wait while wallet itself will rump up to maximum revenue.
And any intermediate options also possible: if it's too boring and long to break into small transactions (20-50 coins) can be divided into medium sized - say by 20x500, and leave wallet to finish rest (500==>250==>125==>62.5==>31.25).

Thank you. That's an interesting mechanic. However, it looks like say you split 10k into 20 coin blocks. You'll get the first reward, but since a stake causes the coins to split (into 10 coin blocks), you'll never get another reward since none of the blocks are sized at 20. Is this also correct?

Stakes less than 50 ORB don't get split.
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Activity: 98
Merit: 10


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