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Topic: [ANN] [POW] [XHV] Haven Protocol - untraceable payments x stable value storage - page 33. (Read 71547 times)
May 06, 2018, 11:03:48 AM
May 06, 2018, 11:02:31 AM
Haven implements a great idea in a clever way, but I have a few questions about how it is going to work in practice, mainly around the issue of TRUST, which is very important for this coin
- When retrieving from offshore, how will the exchanges be chosen to calculate the correct number of coins to mine? I can imagine that this coin is not exactly government-friendly, so what if it has been 6 months and all the original exchanges were shut down, and now there are some new exchanges?
- Presumably in answer to the above question there is some sort of registration system for incorporating new exchanges into the protocol. Who gets to decide which exchanges are bona fide exchanges to be incorporated and which not? There seems to be some issues of third party trust here, which blockchain is supposed to avoid. How will fraudulent or potentially fraudulent exchanges be handled? What about exchanges set up by governments explicitly to manipulate the price? Very likely if the coin is perceived as an actual threat - which it will be if it is successful.
- What if all the original exchanges were shut down and there are no more exchanges at all when funds are brought back? What would the fall-back position be to decide on the number of coins to mine? Or would all funds simply be irretrievable in that scenario?
- Cryptoasset prices can be very volatile. What about the delay between issuing the command to retrieve funds, and the completion of all the mining? The price could change in that time, perhaps significantly, especially if manipulated by governments (if considered an actual, real threat). Will the amount to be mined be continually updated throughout mining? Won't there be the danger of mining too much? Or too little? Does the coin holder simply take on some price risk here? I thought the coin was supposed to avoid that?
- How will the mining pools to be used decided on? Pools come into and go out of existence. Would the coin holder simply be able to decide which pools? Or will the protocol itself set up virtual pools on chain as the need arises?
For someone interested in sending a significant amount of money offshore, these are very live questions. Although the coin implements a really nice, clever idea, I think it will be hard to build a robust offshore storage system that people can really trust with significant quantities of funds.
- When retrieving from offshore, how will the exchanges be chosen to calculate the correct number of coins to mine? I can imagine that this coin is not exactly government-friendly, so what if it has been 6 months and all the original exchanges were shut down, and now there are some new exchanges?
- Presumably in answer to the above question there is some sort of registration system for incorporating new exchanges into the protocol. Who gets to decide which exchanges are bona fide exchanges to be incorporated and which not? There seems to be some issues of third party trust here, which blockchain is supposed to avoid. How will fraudulent or potentially fraudulent exchanges be handled? What about exchanges set up by governments explicitly to manipulate the price? Very likely if the coin is perceived as an actual threat - which it will be if it is successful.
- What if all the original exchanges were shut down and there are no more exchanges at all when funds are brought back? What would the fall-back position be to decide on the number of coins to mine? Or would all funds simply be irretrievable in that scenario?
- Cryptoasset prices can be very volatile. What about the delay between issuing the command to retrieve funds, and the completion of all the mining? The price could change in that time, perhaps significantly, especially if manipulated by governments (if considered an actual, real threat). Will the amount to be mined be continually updated throughout mining? Won't there be the danger of mining too much? Or too little? Does the coin holder simply take on some price risk here? I thought the coin was supposed to avoid that?
- How will the mining pools to be used decided on? Pools come into and go out of existence. Would the coin holder simply be able to decide which pools? Or will the protocol itself set up virtual pools on chain as the need arises?
For someone interested in sending a significant amount of money offshore, these are very live questions. Although the coin implements a really nice, clever idea, I think it will be hard to build a robust offshore storage system that people can really trust with significant quantities of funds.
you touched on interesting questions, it was interesting to read the answer to them
May 06, 2018, 09:23:33 AM
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May 05, 2018, 10:12:45 PM
Haven implements a great idea in a clever way, but I have a few questions about how it is going to work in practice, mainly around the issue of TRUST, which is very important for this coin
- When retrieving from offshore, how will the exchanges be chosen to calculate the correct number of coins to mine? I can imagine that this coin is not exactly government-friendly, so what if it has been 6 months and all the original exchanges were shut down, and now there are some new exchanges?
- Presumably in answer to the above question there is some sort of registration system for incorporating new exchanges into the protocol. Who gets to decide which exchanges are bona fide exchanges to be incorporated and which not? There seems to be some issues of third party trust here, which blockchain is supposed to avoid. How will fraudulent or potentially fraudulent exchanges be handled? What about exchanges set up by governments explicitly to manipulate the price? Very likely if the coin is perceived as an actual threat - which it will be if it is successful.
- What if all the original exchanges were shut down and there are no more exchanges at all when funds are brought back? What would the fall-back position be to decide on the number of coins to mine? Or would all funds simply be irretrievable in that scenario?
- Cryptoasset prices can be very volatile. What about the delay between issuing the command to retrieve funds, and the completion of all the mining? The price could change in that time, perhaps significantly, especially if manipulated by governments (if considered an actual, real threat). Will the amount to be mined be continually updated throughout mining? Won't there be the danger of mining too much? Or too little? Does the coin holder simply take on some price risk here? I thought the coin was supposed to avoid that?
- How will the mining pools to be used decided on? Pools come into and go out of existence. Would the coin holder simply be able to decide which pools? Or will the protocol itself set up virtual pools on chain as the need arises?
For someone interested in sending a significant amount of money offshore, these are very live questions. Although the coin implements a really nice, clever idea, I think it will be hard to build a robust offshore storage system that people can really trust with significant quantities of funds.
- When retrieving from offshore, how will the exchanges be chosen to calculate the correct number of coins to mine? I can imagine that this coin is not exactly government-friendly, so what if it has been 6 months and all the original exchanges were shut down, and now there are some new exchanges?
- Presumably in answer to the above question there is some sort of registration system for incorporating new exchanges into the protocol. Who gets to decide which exchanges are bona fide exchanges to be incorporated and which not? There seems to be some issues of third party trust here, which blockchain is supposed to avoid. How will fraudulent or potentially fraudulent exchanges be handled? What about exchanges set up by governments explicitly to manipulate the price? Very likely if the coin is perceived as an actual threat - which it will be if it is successful.
- What if all the original exchanges were shut down and there are no more exchanges at all when funds are brought back? What would the fall-back position be to decide on the number of coins to mine? Or would all funds simply be irretrievable in that scenario?
- Cryptoasset prices can be very volatile. What about the delay between issuing the command to retrieve funds, and the completion of all the mining? The price could change in that time, perhaps significantly, especially if manipulated by governments (if considered an actual, real threat). Will the amount to be mined be continually updated throughout mining? Won't there be the danger of mining too much? Or too little? Does the coin holder simply take on some price risk here? I thought the coin was supposed to avoid that?
- How will the mining pools to be used decided on? Pools come into and go out of existence. Would the coin holder simply be able to decide which pools? Or will the protocol itself set up virtual pools on chain as the need arises?
For someone interested in sending a significant amount of money offshore, these are very live questions. Although the coin implements a really nice, clever idea, I think it will be hard to build a robust offshore storage system that people can really trust with significant quantities of funds.
May 05, 2018, 08:14:39 PM
So the off-shore storage thing--isn't that kind of like short selling the coin? You're betting on value dropping when you do that, right?
May 05, 2018, 05:07:18 PM
Please try to list XHV on a more decent exchange, like Kucoin, tradeogre is really bad at keeping wallets online in general, and most transactions with XHV are done there surprisingly...
May 05, 2018, 03:50:43 PM
I have updated wallet and it fixed the problem.
I got 2.1.0 now. You can get it here - https://github.com/havenprotocol/haven/releases/
I got 2.1.0 now. You can get it here - https://github.com/havenprotocol/haven/releases/
May 05, 2018, 02:20:46 PM
Got same error, any idea why?
May 05, 2018, 01:57:42 PM
hi my sync error.. difficulty overhead !!!!!!!!!" what is solution... before wallet is fine.. but now wallet sycn error.. i have instal from other computer,but same...
May 05, 2018, 11:41:25 AM
Why was the Haven online wallet removed from the website? The Windows GUI wallet doesn't work as I am not able to send coins out and syncing the wallet to the blockchain locally is such a pain. When will you re-instate the online wallet?
What issue are you having with the windows wallet?
You can always use a remote node to avoid having to download the blockchain.
our remote nodes are
eu-remote.havenprotocol.com
OR
us-remote.havenprotocol.com
For both use port 17750.
I have a small issue with my wallet.
I've sent some coins to my windows wallet and my balance is 0 no matter what I tried.
Finally, I created a view-only wallet and only then am I able to se my coins.
But the issue is that I cannot send coins from my view only-wallet and the balance is still 0 with the other wallet.
The adresses are same and all but what colud it be?
Have you started the daomon from within the wallet? That will then sync the wallet to the latest block and you will see you funds and then be able to make transactions.
Yeah, I've tried that.
I've used the block explorer and my keys and they confirm the transaction to my adress but like I said, I can only see my coins from the view-only-wallet for some reason.
Same keys, same adresses but they are not showing up in the standard wallet for reasons I cannot explain!
Is there a way to transfer those coins off the view-only wallet somehow?
I solved the issue: I used another computer and recreated my wallet using my seed and voila!
The old wallet is still NOT showing the balance so I just replaced it with the new one from file.
May 05, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
Why was the Haven online wallet removed from the website? The Windows GUI wallet doesn't work as I am not able to send coins out and syncing the wallet to the blockchain locally is such a pain. When will you re-instate the online wallet?
What issue are you having with the windows wallet?
You can always use a remote node to avoid having to download the blockchain.
our remote nodes are
eu-remote.havenprotocol.com
OR
us-remote.havenprotocol.com
For both use port 17750.
I have a small issue with my wallet.
I've sent some coins to my windows wallet and my balance is 0 no matter what I tried.
Finally, I created a view-only wallet and only then am I able to se my coins.
But the issue is that I cannot send coins from my view only-wallet and the balance is still 0 with the other wallet.
The adresses are same and all but what colud it be?
Have you started the daomon from within the wallet? That will then sync the wallet to the latest block and you will see you funds and then be able to make transactions.
Yeah, I've tried that.
I've used the block explorer and my keys and they confirm the transaction to my adress but like I said, I can only see my coins from the view-only-wallet for some reason.
Same keys, same adresses but they are not showing up in the standard wallet for reasons I cannot explain!
Is there a way to transfer those coins off the view-only wallet somehow?
May 05, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
Why was the Haven online wallet removed from the website? The Windows GUI wallet doesn't work as I am not able to send coins out and syncing the wallet to the blockchain locally is such a pain. When will you re-instate the online wallet?
What issue are you having with the windows wallet?
You can always use a remote node to avoid having to download the blockchain.
our remote nodes are
eu-remote.havenprotocol.com
OR
us-remote.havenprotocol.com
For both use port 17750.
I have a small issue with my wallet.
I've sent some coins to my windows wallet and my balance is 0 no matter what I tried.
Finally, I created a view-only wallet and only then am I able to se my coins.
But the issue is that I cannot send coins from my view only-wallet and the balance is still 0 with the other wallet.
The adresses are same and all but what colud it be?
Have you started the daomon from within the wallet? That will then sync the wallet to the latest block and you will see you funds and then be able to make transactions.
May 05, 2018, 08:59:49 AM
Guys,
When i mining with criptonight V7 i got ~900 H/s (20 threads in xeon cpu)
Now i started mining XHV and i got ~400 H/s (10 threads in xeon cpu, my best settings).
The downgrade hash rate is ok? I thinking the downgrade is the at maximum 40% of my H/s, so i guess anything is wrong (40% downgrande in my hash i get ~540 H/s not 400).
Anyone mining with xeon CPU?
When i mining with criptonight V7 i got ~900 H/s (20 threads in xeon cpu)
Now i started mining XHV and i got ~400 H/s (10 threads in xeon cpu, my best settings).
The downgrade hash rate is ok? I thinking the downgrade is the at maximum 40% of my H/s, so i guess anything is wrong (40% downgrande in my hash i get ~540 H/s not 400).
Anyone mining with xeon CPU?
Anyone can help me
May 05, 2018, 08:12:53 AM
Still fighting this issue - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.35733003
Using CLI it asks to find/create wallet, I use my wallet name for GUI wallet and it says it's not found. So then I create new wallet with different file name, but on password line the keyboard just doesn't work, nothing types((
So I have 4.3 coins balance and zero clue how to withdraw them. Any thoughts?
Using CLI it asks to find/create wallet, I use my wallet name for GUI wallet and it says it's not found. So then I create new wallet with different file name, but on password line the keyboard just doesn't work, nothing types((
So I have 4.3 coins balance and zero clue how to withdraw them. Any thoughts?
May 05, 2018, 06:45:57 AM
Why was the Haven online wallet removed from the website? The Windows GUI wallet doesn't work as I am not able to send coins out and syncing the wallet to the blockchain locally is such a pain. When will you re-instate the online wallet?
What issue are you having with the windows wallet?
You can always use a remote node to avoid having to download the blockchain.
our remote nodes are
eu-remote.havenprotocol.com
OR
us-remote.havenprotocol.com
For both use port 17750.
I have a small issue with my wallet.
I've sent some coins to my windows wallet and my balance is 0 no matter what I tried.
Finally, I created a view-only wallet and only then am I able to se my coins.
But the issue is that I cannot send coins from my view only-wallet and the balance is still 0 with the other wallet.
The adresses are same and all but what colud it be?
May 05, 2018, 01:38:18 AM
Why was the Haven online wallet removed from the website? The Windows GUI wallet doesn't work as I am not able to send coins out and syncing the wallet to the blockchain locally is such a pain. When will you re-instate the online wallet?
What issue are you having with the windows wallet?
You can always use a remote node to avoid having to download the blockchain.
our remote nodes are
eu-remote.havenprotocol.com
OR
us-remote.havenprotocol.com
For both use port 17750.
May 05, 2018, 01:35:59 AM
Trade orge still offline
Is there a chance to list xhv on another exchange?
Is there a chance to list xhv on another exchange?
XHV is currently listed on:
https://tradeogre.com/exchange/BTC-XHV
https://nanex.co/exchange/XHVNANO
https://altex.exchange/markets&pair=BTC_XHV
https://palitanx.com/exchange/BTC-XHV
Southxchange soon to come
May 05, 2018, 12:42:10 AM
Trade orge still offline
Is there a chance to list xhv on another exchange?
Is there a chance to list xhv on another exchange?
May 04, 2018, 11:21:29 PM
Why was the Haven online wallet removed from the website? The Windows GUI wallet doesn't work as I am not able to send coins out and syncing the wallet to the blockchain locally is such a pain. When will you re-instate the online wallet?
May 04, 2018, 09:00:50 PM
Why is tradeogre wallet offline?? It's the only exchange supporting this currency, and now there is none.
I wanna know too
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