Topic: [ANN] [SAFE] Safecoin - Community Edition of Solana - page 57. (Read 60113 times)

The first block from the notary 57,639 March 22, 2018, 10:14 am
The second block is 57,642 March 22, 2018, 10:17 am
break for about an hour

third block 57,712 March 22, 2018, 11:27 am
fourth block 57,713 March 22, 2018, 11:28 am

the last block before rollback 57,732 March 22, 2018, 11:40 am
March 22, 2018, 11:40 am the massive attack began.

Whatever you say here, I see 2 options:
1) Either the Komodo developers are so incompetent that it took them more than an 2 hours to realize they made a mistake.
2) Either the developers of Komodo conducted a planned attack on a preliminary conspiracy to illegally seize the asset, designed to become the standard of anonymity and confidentiality in the crypto community. In order to enrich and / or aiding terrorism.

In neither case do I want to have anything in common with Komodo.

The KMD guys decided to rape our nodes to take advantage and to get a lot of coins.
The Safecoin community decided to rollback to the block where the attack starded.
Now it's all good, all working great and the "bug" fixed.

This community chose to antagonize me, so now it is subject to my antagonism.

Sorry for any of you that did not participate in the rollback decision, but properly mined coins were stolen with a centralized rollback after the diff was back to normal. That is not crypto.

It was to spite me that it was done, which is probably the silliest reason ever to do a rollback. On top of that I am called an attacker, so I feel that I need to justify that label.

SAFE is subject to attack at anytime from many different places, including me. The failure modes will be varied and I wont tip my hand how or when it will be done. Just expect the worst at anytime as SAFE isnt.

Sorry I did not understand what is happening? Is there a bug that allows you to get more coins from mining ?

Did I choose to rollback the chain over 60,000 coins?

That is not what crypto is about. Rollbacks should be reserved only for cases where the chain integrity cant be assured moving forward. The 60,000 coins mined had no effect on that, it was about 8 hours of normal mining.

All that had to be done was resume mining normally and wait for a new release this week that patched things properly. Treat me with civility and you would have had a friend instead of an enemy.

So there was indeed a choice and it was not me that deployed the rollback. I was the one that brought the diff back down to normal levels BEFORE the rollback was deployed.

That is the fact.

Oh, I cant be certain I will be the only one to attack SAFE as many have the skills and knowledge to do it. You guys really dont understand crypto very well, but best way to learn is by experience.

It's a safe assumption as the homework leads nowhere.

Clearly it's your choice. With the crowd you have brought about to publicly shame this coin, what choice did you leave its community other than to paint you in this regard? I expect this means all future attacks should be credited to you.

What happened the other day was an inadvertent triggering of a long forgotten bug. I stopped the mining at about 0.0001% of the full diff it would have gone to. Went into discord and explained all this and how to fix all the issues.

Within 24 hours I got the diff back down to what it was before I started mining and I estimate the total mining losses to be less than $1000.

All that had to be done at that point was resume mining and keep the chain intact with my having gotten a whopping 60,000 SAFE. Certainly the most inept attack every conducted. Get a small amount of coins, go in and publicly announce you did it, help the attack vector get fixed, and undo the high diff.

For thanks I am accused of attacking SAFE. If it were an attack I would have mined millions of coins and put the diff in the trillions. not just from 1 million to 10 million, but to trillions. Now that would be an attack. Even after the diff was to 10 million, the chain was still being mined, it wasnt forked. It was just temporary high diff like if a larger miner mined it for an hour. Really, no big deal in the big picture.

But your reaction to this has made it into a bigger deal. You made it clear that SAFE chain will be rolled back for arbitrary reasons and is not an immutable chain. You attack me incessantly believing that I am motivated by the money from getting SAFE.

Anyway, you now convinced me that I am like to attack SAFE. So I will.

To my mind you stole the notary mined coins, so I will get them back at some time in the future. This is my announcement of that. Feel free to keep rolling back the chain after each attack.

It was your choice to make me into an enemy.

Good luck.

What feken idiot planted that lie into your head? I am not now, nor have I ever been a notary. Again, people need to do some homework before blindly trying to attack me on a personal level in a vain attempt to hide the fact that they are talking out of their ass.

your incessant obsession with SAFE is curious at best. As you are a KMD notary shouldn't you be focusing on the notary NOTdecentralised node voting or maybe looking as to why your DEX does not attract any volume?

You can argue or continue your attempts to discredit all you want, the reality remains the oldchain is still mineable as pointed out to you. You have the repos and the notary pubkeys; please, go ahead...The community has moved on from this except for the opportunistic KMD community members that decided to exploit a weakness of which they were well aware of.

The KMD community had 2 choices, 1. take advantage (which they did knowing full well of the consequences) or 2. work with SAFE. Unfortunately, greed and arrogance won the day for KMD and the SAFE community voted with their feet. You are 100% in your rights to mine the old-chain where you took advantage of a loop-hole and take it to market if you so wish OR you can mine the new chain ethically with no clear advantage.

YOUR CHOICE. but stop trolling. It is not casting a very good light on KMD community.     

Hi Manager.
Great project! Do you complete your web platform or any MVP product so I and other could take a deep look about it?

And you're still stuck on this whole using a currency as a noncurrency thing, why is that? Is it your belief that unSafecoin can't be developed well enough to be used as a currency and must be used as a noncurrency commodity in order to have value?

You're welcome to continue mining the old chain and bring it to market.

Don't argue! We can all speak calmly. Please follow the rules of the forum.

What does a currency being on an exchange and being treated as a commodity have to do with stealing the currency out of people's private wallets (the wallets that were supposed to have "zCash Privacy")?
You're trying to say that it's OK to steal currency from people because other people aren't it as notcurrency, but if a currency were on some random exchange and being treated as a noncurrency, then the centralized 5% of the known community wouln't have voted to steal the currency from people using the currency as currency?

Your grasping at straws. This coin isn't even on an exchange. Had it been, things may have went differently. Thank God it wasn't.

I'm not disputing that fact; I'm saying that that fact alone make makes this notSafecoin, because at any time transactions can be mutable by a centralized handful of people in some random social media outlet, despite the fact that there's no valid reason to make currency transactions mutable or that protocol consensus did not agree with the actions of said handful stealing the currency from my miners.

You seem to want to glaze over the fact that currency was, literally, taken from those that rightfully had ownership of it. There's a word for that "theft".

This "roll back" to "fend off an attack" was nothing more than outright theft.

Even if one were to agree that certain actors were "attacking" the network (which I still say is utter bullshit; because, protocol), that only excuses taking currency for those that consensus believes acted in bad faith (examples of this would be ETH and DAO funds or TETHER and treasury funds). Stealing the currency out of the wallets of valid transactions that were supposed to be immutable and had nothing to do with the alleged "attack" is theft and, literally, makes this an unSafecoin to even attempt to try to own.

Why even have "private keys" when a random centralized group that makes up only 5% of consensus can just take your currency away from you? Of what validity is trying to claim "zCash Privacy" when an extreme minority can steal your private currency out of your wallet because they are mad at someone else?

What pool do you operate? Nothing you have said in this thread is correct. There was a community vote visible to a large amount of people and every Safecoin pool administrator. The attack was noticed by everyone who was mining at the time and we dealt with the situation together. We mined through the difficulty and brought it back down to normal before still deciding to roll back. I don't understand why you are trying to dispute this.

And I, rightfully ignored it because you haven't the vaguest notion of what you attempt to speak about. I operate a pool, notSafecoin was on that pool, notSafecoin was mined by that pool, and the notSafecoin coinbase txs of that pool were signed by that pool. Do some homework. 

As for the rest....

OK, so I've reread what you wrote.
The assertion is the same as saying:

if a new coin (CoinX) came along and the majority of miners switched to that coin (thus "leaving the chain stuck"), then the "right" thing to do is not continue to run notSafecoin, but instead rewind the chain back to a time where the remaining miners could easily mine and CoinX has "damaged" notSafecoin.

I understand now.
The concept is to introduce mutability to make mining easy for anyone in the centralized cliche of a specific, yet random, 3rd-party social media platform that has nothing to do with the network protocol or protocol consensus. Thanks for setting me straight

You are being irrational. I didn't troll you, but I did beat around the bush about confronting the fact that you do not operate a pool for SafeCoin.

No, you trolled on some shit about showing me that you don't know how to operate a node, not any valid response