Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 217. (Read 1260290 times)
December 31, 2014, 12:27:44 PM
well diff finally going back up 8% next week still beter than the 15% of the summer
December 31, 2014, 12:06:45 PM
No problem just after updating sometimes my units require a hard power cycle. I am a distance away from my miners so I just won't do it remotely from now on.
I had the same issue with one of my 5 SP20s. I ended up having to drive 40 miles to the colo and power cycle it last night. I think it might have an issue as it will not hash over about 1570Ghs and it took a couple of power cycles to get it to come back up (the yellow light kept flashing on the front). Should I have support look at the logs on it?
The one I got from the first batch thinking I would be cool won't go past 1512, 1535 if I push the voltage. I have direct cooling into the racks at 22c the units says 24 to 25c intake. The other SP20'S push 1600 plus in the same rack. Everything checks out ok on the lemon. It may have been banged up from shipping or just slower Asics compared to what's shipping now. Sucks as it cost a **** load. And this one needed a hard power cycle a few times when I dabbled with pool settings.
40 miles sucks. At least gas is cheaper these days. I'm about 30 mins no traffic.
For the led check if you have the led flash option in the gui.
Have you thought about using a Raspberry pi or Arduino to remote control your power supplies? I don't have the same issue as you but have read where others remote control their power supplies. I have a friend who controlled his power supply for his Technobit units last year with an Arduino. Just a thought.
December 31, 2014, 09:40:47 AM
When I upgraded my SP20 to .59, I clicked upgrade then stepped away. Because it auto refreshes every so often, when I returned, it was telling me an upgrade was available. I did that a few times before I realized what was happening and hung around long to see what happened when it was done. When I saw the "please reboot" message, I clicked reboot, and then the unit went AWOL. It would no longer respond to anything. I had to power cycle it as well.
Also, this morning I was trying to update my pool settings. Try as I might, it would not "take". I entered my changes, clicked submit, waited, waited, and waited some more. It eventually stopped clocking, but the settings at the bottom didn't update. I did that a few times before I gave up and power cycled it. After that my changes worked.
M
Also, this morning I was trying to update my pool settings. Try as I might, it would not "take". I entered my changes, clicked submit, waited, waited, and waited some more. It eventually stopped clocking, but the settings at the bottom didn't update. I did that a few times before I gave up and power cycled it. After that my changes worked.
M
Its not any one paticular unit? Just random for mine. Sometimes they take updates properly, reboots ok and sometimes they don't. I don't use automatic update anymore seems to happen more then manual.
Edit. I found after saving pool settings don't click anything for a bit. Mine Peon has 10 second restart. Jumping the gun and a click will get you a power cycle as well.
I only have one SP20 at the moment.
I've played with the pool settings before, I can tell when it's doing something and I should wait. This time I waited and waited and waited ... to no avail.
M
December 31, 2014, 09:19:45 AM
When I upgraded my SP20 to .59, I clicked upgrade then stepped away. Because it auto refreshes every so often, when I returned, it was telling me an upgrade was available. I did that a few times before I realized what was happening and hung around long to see what happened when it was done. When I saw the "please reboot" message, I clicked reboot, and then the unit went AWOL. It would no longer respond to anything. I had to power cycle it as well.
Also, this morning I was trying to update my pool settings. Try as I might, it would not "take". I entered my changes, clicked submit, waited, waited, and waited some more. It eventually stopped clocking, but the settings at the bottom didn't update. I did that a few times before I gave up and power cycled it. After that my changes worked.
M
Also, this morning I was trying to update my pool settings. Try as I might, it would not "take". I entered my changes, clicked submit, waited, waited, and waited some more. It eventually stopped clocking, but the settings at the bottom didn't update. I did that a few times before I gave up and power cycled it. After that my changes worked.
M
Its not any one paticular unit? Just random for mine. Sometimes they take updates properly, reboots ok and sometimes they don't. I don't use automatic update anymore seems to happen more then manual.
Edit. I found after saving pool settings don't click anything for a bit. Mine Peon has 10 second restart. Jumping the gun and a click will get you a power cycle as well.
December 31, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
When I upgraded my SP20 to .59, I clicked upgrade then stepped away. Because it auto refreshes every so often, when I returned, it was telling me an upgrade was available. I did that a few times before I realized what was happening and hung around long to see what happened when it was done. When I saw the "please reboot" message, I clicked reboot, and then the unit went AWOL. It would no longer respond to anything. I had to power cycle it as well.
Also, this morning I was trying to update my pool settings. Try as I might, it would not "take". I entered my changes, clicked submit, waited, waited, and waited some more. It eventually stopped clocking, but the settings at the bottom didn't update. I did that a few times before I gave up and power cycled it. After that my changes worked.
M
Also, this morning I was trying to update my pool settings. Try as I might, it would not "take". I entered my changes, clicked submit, waited, waited, and waited some more. It eventually stopped clocking, but the settings at the bottom didn't update. I did that a few times before I gave up and power cycled it. After that my changes worked.
M
December 31, 2014, 08:53:45 AM
No problem just after updating sometimes my units require a hard power cycle. I am a distance away from my miners so I just won't do it remotely from now on.
I had the same issue with one of my 5 SP20s. I ended up having to drive 40 miles to the colo and power cycle it last night. I think it might have an issue as it will not hash over about 1570Ghs and it took a couple of power cycles to get it to come back up (the yellow light kept flashing on the front). Should I have support look at the logs on it?
The one I got from the first batch thinking I would be cool won't go past 1512, 1535 if I push the voltage. I have direct cooling into the racks at 22c the units says 24 to 25c intake. The other SP20'S push 1600 plus in the same rack. Everything checks out ok on the lemon. It may have been banged up from shipping or just slower Asics compared to what's shipping now. Sucks as it cost a **** load. And this one needed a hard power cycle a few times when I dabbled with pool settings.
40 miles sucks. At least gas is cheaper these days. I'm about 30 mins no traffic.
For the led check if you have the led flash option in the gui.
December 31, 2014, 07:20:48 AM
No problem just after updating sometimes my units require a hard power cycle. I am a distance away from my miners so I just won't do it remotely from now on.
I had the same issue with one of my 5 SP20s. I ended up having to drive 40 miles to the colo and power cycle it last night. I think it might have an issue as it will not hash over about 1570Ghs and it took a couple of power cycles to get it to come back up (the yellow light kept flashing on the front). Should I have support look at the logs on it?
December 31, 2014, 05:31:20 AM
Please note that my Miner Monitor app should now work with all Spondoolie hardware. Based on some helpful conversations with Spondoolie techs and other feedback, I have strong reason to believe this will work for SP20, SP30, SP31, and SP35 units, and it may work with SP10 units.
Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app. I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf. How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below. If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this. I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31. If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ms-miner-antsp-monitor-v52-alertsautomassscheduled-rebootmobile-miner-596178
I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal. In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.
M
Thank you for enhancing your app to monitor our miners.Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app. I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf. How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below. If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this. I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31. If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ms-miner-antsp-monitor-v52-alertsautomassscheduled-rebootmobile-miner-596178
I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal. In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.
M
Have you thought about using Mono / Xamarin to port it to other platforms?
I've considered other options, but that's it so far.
M
December 30, 2014, 11:53:16 PM
Please note that my Miner Monitor app should now work with all Spondoolie hardware. Based on some helpful conversations with Spondoolie techs and other feedback, I have strong reason to believe this will work for SP20, SP30, SP31, and SP35 units, and it may work with SP10 units.
Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app. I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf. How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below. If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this. I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31. If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ms-miner-antsp-monitor-v52-alertsautomassscheduled-rebootmobile-miner-596178
I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal. In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.
M
Thank you for enhancing your app to monitor our miners.Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app. I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf. How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below. If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this. I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31. If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ms-miner-antsp-monitor-v52-alertsautomassscheduled-rebootmobile-miner-596178
I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal. In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.
M
Have you thought about using Mono / Xamarin to port it to other platforms?
December 30, 2014, 11:22:50 PM
^This is really making a big issue over pulling an extra 50GH out of a unit - a value of less than $18. voiding warranty or buying a second $20 fan and spending the time to install it is not worth it.
At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.
I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W
At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.
I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W
Sorry @knlondike but you misunderstood me.
You calculate with a fix price of the machine.
Calculate cost and profit.
I'm not speeking about the only 50ghs but when the weather gets warmer this will be 100ghs (from 1680 ghs) or more.
At 20 pieces it's 2000ghs....
And i have room much more than 20....
I hope you unerstand why i'm trying to find some solution.....
curious what you pay for power. I understand the aspect of clocking hardware to its limit if its profitable, but if you need to make >$10 in modifications to gain 50GH/60W per unit, plus have slightly more PSUs/TH it could be more practical to buy an extra SP20 for that extra 1.65TH/$500. If its a hobby to do modifications though thats another story
Ok I'll give up...
For me it's not hobby... It was a hobby with a Jupiter and some S1-s.
Maybe would be practical to buy one more unit for sure. But I have a lot of high cfm fans and other parts laying around....
But at this point I give up. You don't know a lot of details so you can't make a judgement what am i do and why. But trust me, I have the reasons.
So back to the original question.
Any ideas to improve the cooling?
Very strange, was a profitable hobby when the Jupiter and S1 were profitable, now the sp series are not. So now is unprofitable hobby/business
Really all of this should go in another topic. But...
I don't agree saying SP gear is not profitable. They have so many different miners, there is no one size fits all on calculations. I have ROI'ed almost every miner I have had. You need cheap electricity, run as long as you can. With SP20 you have a heck of a under clock theses will be running for quite a while. At end sell to someone with "free" or even cheaper electricity. If you keep PSU's you can go to another generation without some of the upfront costs.
Sp gear is profitable, I didn't said it's not.
The others well said by Notlist3d.
If you want to wait that long. Manufacture's never came out with many different models at once, so your hear would be running for 2 years sometimes, and still not profitable yet. Now users are just buying whatever model(s) they can and have no idea what's going to give them a positive return. Just because a new model comes out, doesn't mean you have to go out and buy it. 2-3 years just to break even is a long time. I myself could never wait that long or run all these machines in my house for that long.
December 30, 2014, 10:18:24 PM
Please note that my Miner Monitor app should now work with all Spondoolie hardware. Based on some helpful conversations with Spondoolie techs and other feedback, I have strong reason to believe this will work for SP20, SP30, SP31, and SP35 units, and it may work with SP10 units.
Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app. I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf. How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below. If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this. I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31. If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ms-miner-antsp-monitor-v52-alertsautomassscheduled-rebootmobile-miner-596178
I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal. In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.
M
Things of note:
- This is a Windows .Net app. I'm pretty sure you won't be able to get this to run on a Mac or Linux w/o running a Windows VM.
- You still need to enable API access by making a minor change to the cgminer.conf. How to do that is detailed on the first post in the link below. If it's possible, I intend to change this requirement in a future version.
- I don't have access to all types of Spondoolie units to test this. I know it works with SP20s and SP35s, and I have reason to believe it'll work on SP30 and SP31. If an SP10 user (with local access) can send me the API output from my app, I can make whatever changes are necessary for SP10 support.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ms-miner-antsp-monitor-v52-alertsautomassscheduled-rebootmobile-miner-596178
I intend to keep my posts in this thread about my app minimal. In light of that, please post any feedback/questions in my support topic.
M
December 30, 2014, 10:06:28 PM
I would like to know what the dark number is, those miners using free (students at school or home, employees at work, play) or subsidized electricity-those with low or no cost that pass the buck to another entity-like tax payers (foreign governments, companies, corporations) . That would be interesting,
nothing compared to the 1MW+ installations that are being deployed worldwide. likely less that 25% of small-scale miners have free power I imagine. Even then, it may be limited to only a few kW of capacity 
December 30, 2014, 09:30:22 PM
I would like to know what the dark number is, those miners using free (students at school or home, employees at work, play) or subsidized electricity-those with low or no cost that pass the buck to another entity-like tax payers (foreign governments, companies, corporations) . That would be interesting,
December 30, 2014, 09:25:41 PM
Cheap electricity is the key, the reality is that most people pay higher than .10 usd kw/hr
And the last 3 difficulty adjustments have been much below average, look for next diff jump around 10% or more as hashrate pushes 320-340 ph
+1 & +1. however, a 10% network growth would probably knock most remaining 1w-1.2w/GH miners off the network except in areas with cheap power (and those guys usually liquidate while they can). And there is a LOT of hardware in that efficiency range, likely 50PH of gear will leave the network in the time that it takes to add 100PH of new hardware And the last 3 difficulty adjustments have been much below average, look for next diff jump around 10% or more as hashrate pushes 320-340 ph
December 30, 2014, 09:08:43 PM
^This is really making a big issue over pulling an extra 50GH out of a unit - a value of less than $18. voiding warranty or buying a second $20 fan and spending the time to install it is not worth it.
At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.
I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W
At the peak speeds, any improvements you make come at the cost of about 1-1.2W/GH. Running at 1500GH uses approx 210W less than running at 1700GH. Unless you have very cheap power it will likely make sense by summertime to throttle back the hardware to improve the overall efficiency - or have heat problems.
I personally have 3 arriving this week that I hope to achieve ~1400GH/800W so that the fan can be kept at a reasonable volume. At $0.15/kwh it doesnt make much sense for me to try and get another 300GH/400W out of the unit, as the added hashrate gains are entirely spent on added power draw. Same reason as Ive throttled my SP10 units from 1400Gh to 1260GH to save 200W
Sorry @knlondike but you misunderstood me.
You calculate with a fix price of the machine.
Calculate cost and profit.
I'm not speeking about the only 50ghs but when the weather gets warmer this will be 100ghs (from 1680 ghs) or more.
At 20 pieces it's 2000ghs....
And i have room much more than 20....
I hope you unerstand why i'm trying to find some solution.....
curious what you pay for power. I understand the aspect of clocking hardware to its limit if its profitable, but if you need to make >$10 in modifications to gain 50GH/60W per unit, plus have slightly more PSUs/TH it could be more practical to buy an extra SP20 for that extra 1.65TH/$500. If its a hobby to do modifications though thats another story
Ok I'll give up...
For me it's not hobby... It was a hobby with a Jupiter and some S1-s.
Maybe would be practical to buy one more unit for sure. But I have a lot of high cfm fans and other parts laying around....
But at this point I give up. You don't know a lot of details so you can't make a judgement what am i do and why. But trust me, I have the reasons.
So back to the original question.
Any ideas to improve the cooling?
Very strange, was a profitable hobby when the Jupiter and S1 were profitable, now the sp series are not. So now is unprofitable hobby/business
Really all of this should go in another topic. But...
I don't agree saying SP gear is not profitable. They have so many different miners, there is no one size fits all on calculations. I have ROI'ed almost every miner I have had. You need cheap electricity, run as long as you can. With SP20 you have a heck of a under clock theses will be running for quite a while. At end sell to someone with "free" or even cheaper electricity. If you keep PSU's you can go to another generation without some of the upfront costs.
Sp gear is profitable, I didn't said it's not.
The others well said by Notlist3d.
Cheap electricity is the key, the reality is that most people pay higher than .10 usd kw/hr
And the last 3 difficulty adjustments have been much below average, look for next diff jump around 10% or more as hashrate pushes 320-340 ph
December 30, 2014, 06:46:45 PM
No problem just after updating sometimes my units require a hard power cycle. I am a distance away from my miners so I just won't do it remotely from now on.
December 30, 2014, 06:29:12 PM
Update firmware on 4 sp20s remotely only 2 rebooted successfully. Had to take a trip over and power cycled the others.
Out of four, I had to hard reboot one ... why don't the SP20s ship with the latest firmware?
December 30, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
Update firmware on 4 sp20s remotely only 2 rebooted successfully. Had to take a trip over and power cycled the others.
so I may be out of the loop.... is there something wrong with the firmware that comes with?
December 30, 2014, 06:25:46 PM
Update firmware on 4 sp20s remotely only 2 rebooted successfully. Had to take a trip over and power cycled the others.
December 30, 2014, 11:02:24 AM
SP Tech, so what is new in FW 2.5.61 other than the changes with the setup features that were introduced in a previous version? I have been running the current version for the last six hours and it seems to be working better than 2.5.58 or 2.5.59 which I see were taken off. As it is rather painless to upgrade, and these are my first SP units, I have been pushing the upgrades as they came in. The 2.5.58 did cause the miner to cycle cgminer on its own, something 2.5.59 did not do I am happy to say. I will continue to run with 2.5.61 and report back if there are an anomalies.
I am happy to report that FW 2.5.61 has been running perfect for two days now and is very consistent between the units. Another happy customer.
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