Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 467. (Read 1260350 times)

@ compensation debate:

Obviously the decrease in hashrate will be compensated appropriatly.

(although I agree that Guy and ST beat the drum very hard claiming "at least 6TH" and it said 6TH on the website for quite a while)

I even remember getting an email update that claimed every sp30 will now get 6 TH, so yeah, that should really be the basis for compensation (atleast for units sold after that email).


The 60% worse power efficiency (not the 17% increase from 2500 to 3000W as Searing put it) needs to be appropriatly compensated aswell.

not trying to inflame everyone on here....I assume the $$$/gh will be appropriate..I would appreciate some further 'modest' compensation *you don't have to go nuts on this*....for the jump from 2500 to 3000 watts...for those running it at home/bsmt like myself..that is $60 bucks extra a month elec/fees at 0.15c kwh for me.....and of course my arch enemy in all this 'heat'...and I will be running each power supply of the two circuits 220v ...on the sp30 on a different 20amp line/20amp breaker each ..so that is not an issue with me the 110v USA...again ...it is the extra electric costs/heat movement out/cooling as my main issue....at 3000 watts and 4.5TH ...yeah the dual ouch here..I woulda probably hosted....

irregardless if you think hosting these at home was wise or not..no one made too big a deal out of it at 2500 watts at 3000 watts..well that may have been a different story
for myself (heat)/further electric costs..and those limited to 110v for the miner (or so I'd read on here) if that would have been in the info packet when we decided to home use back at ordering .well maybe? a different choice would have been wiser.

so the TH went down from 6Th to 4.5Th the combo of that and the 500 or 600 extra watts...well ouch!...and from what I gather on here it also will effect the guys with data service hosting plans from what I can tell...there costs just got bumped....esp the large order guys ..if I am following that in this thread on that here correctly...

anyway hopefully it is being considered as a modest addition to the $$/gh you have already stated as your compensation plan

again trying not to start a flame war here...just think it is fair electric use wise (500-600 watts extra 24/7) and getting extra heat out/cooling wise etc that this be a further consideration then just the $$$/gh only as compensation....kinda a double whammy for us home use types (or heck prob data hosting guys as well)

as usual I and others on here appreciate your efforts on our behalf

my 2c worth

Searing

@ Zvisha



Posted some 24hour stats, sp30 above, for comparison an sp10 at another DC on the same pool below.

Unfortunately there was a short ddos until the target was taken offline, so ignore the red marked area.

You can clearly see the frequent restarts of the sp30 by the drop in hashrate. I am not exactly sure what the 24-hour average hashrate at the pool is.

Guy,

I can't remember a similar situation before in the mining business like this one.
Shit happens and company immediately informs customers, mentions compensation plans and stays in direct contact with the community.

So far, I'm impressed how you handle the current situation!
I really wish you wouldn't be an exception in this business, but sadly you are..


*Disclaimer: not a customer, yet

respect. i've enjoyed seeing the way SP-Tech have put the compensation package together with the web page etc, very user friendly company in all and good to see you discussing.
Here's what i'd make for compensation; 1 hosted SP10 for 6 months 3 months (perhaps getting abit overgenerous to 6months lol). but as you know i'm in no way affiliated to SP-Tech apart from the rigs they deliver.

easy peasy.

Edgar,
You're certainly not a troll.
The compensation details will become public in the following week or so.
We're producing, testing and shipping, whenever we get the next batch of tested ASICs.
We can't tell exact date per exact order#

Guy

I am not, I only read this thread, I really hope that RS does not behave like the trolls here. "relevant questions being asked" - I think I answer all technical questions, please repeat your question if I missed it.

Europe has 220v single phase, usa has 240v split phase.  Not a simple cable to have 240v outlet in usa.  Minimum of a new breaker. Usually requires new breaker and new wire to new outlet.

Speaking for myself:


I dunno.  5.4TH was the stated target.  The 6TH figure was a burst objective the way I read it - something like it might even go as fast as, but no promises.  Obviously there is some margin that cant be 100% simulated with the overclock to the limit and then step back model.


thats a canard, if you were paying attention on the thread, it was long discussed and advertised that you do not get full performance on 110v.

Now I live in europe where 240v is standard, but apparently even in the US/Canada you do actually have 220v just split in two parts and its a matter of getting a little y-cable and you can do it in a home also.  So buy the cable already, sure it cant cost more than $5 on ebay.


If I read it right you are not actually a customer right?  I presume people who are customers are asking privately.

I am not sure if they are open to compensating more than the hashrate, but you'd have to realise that people dont negotiate bulk discounts, comp plans related to their location etc on public list.  Guy hinted at this multiple times in the past.


I think its fair to say they've been more open than any other mining manufacturer, throughout the process and more responsive to technical issues, bug fixes in firmware etc.

Feel free to buy S3 if thats what you want.

Without reference to any particular mining outfit, SP have pledged to not self-mine / compete with their customers and decentralise the hash rate.  That means they have to make a profit by selling hardware to grow.  If you want to support that ethical stance, it means you want to support spondoolies if you care about bitcoin decentralisation.  Maybe go complain to the competitors who are mining like fury in huge data centers and selling used equipment "without preorder" after they've mined 90% of the profit out of it.

I have some SP10s and am personally considering buying some SP30.  I would be happy to do that at break-even to support decentralisation and thereby financially support a company that is trying to do the right thing with hashrate decentralisation.  It'd be nice to make a small profit on top, but I am not focussed on it.

Adam

[Disclaimer I do some crypto consulting for SP, speaking for myself with no inside info above]

To upgrade from an 100amp service to a 200 amp service where I live is 2500 bucks to install flat rate..low end which is a very easy switch in my case anyway I was told..
....all the electrician's in this area charge the same rate.....the city I am in requires that the local utility shut down service and also that the electrical inspector and an electrician ARE PRESENT and it is signed off by the Electrical Inspector before the power utility can turn the power back on..so essentially you are paying for the utility service the electrician and the electrical inspector to stand around...and pay them for the morning shot ..to get everyone there...

and yes I asked 4 Electrical contractors they were all within $100 usd of each other and also if ....say the elec inspector or electrician is not on site when this
is done..then you guessed it ..the utility company will not turn power back on....a big headache

will try to slip by with the 100amp..don't have house a/c nor forced air furnace nor major other drains on the elec panel ....so should be OK the panel and wiring
is modern....

but heat out of the basement is my current challenge oh...and again this is CITY rules....along with the State rules and I think just the local utility protecting
their butt cause everybody else is so anal about all this!

Searing

My house is all electric with 100amp service, but I was making the comparison between the stated spec and actual spec.  If they had the power to run the machine on 120v then the actual machine usage difference on 240v isn't going to make a difference.

The biggest problem with 70s houses is aluminum wire.  Even if I could run a machine on 120v, I would have a dedicated circuit installed anyway.  That aluminum wire is a fire hazard.

I was one of the people who pushed on a refund policy. I was repeatedly told it was not necessary because it was going to ship on time and on spec. In other words, unethical and misleading statements meant to bring orders, which not only seemed so at the time, but which we now know in hindsight have been proven to be misleading.

I don't troll on other manufacturer's threads. I mostly ignore them because I already consider them untrustworthy and disreputable already. This one seemed like it might be different, but it really isn't. Same pre-order promises and shifting of risk to the customer, and same result (customer screwed).

Yes they messed up and these things happen, but all I can say is, if you trust them again, shame on you. If anyone buys a miner from these guys that doesn't ship from stock with a tested and third-party reviewed design, you get what you deserve.

Likely my last word on the subject, as Spondoolies now gets grouped in with all the rest of the untrustworthy manufacturers pitching pre-order deals that I largely ignore.

Are you completely unaware of roadstress's behaviour on EVERY other manufacturers threads over the past 2 months??

why do you spend so much time & energy only replying to trolls & ass-kissers when there are relevant questions being asked??

There are quite a few houses with 100 amp services that were made in the late 70's. That's pushing it. But a 150 Amp is only about 60 bucks if you look around. Also, if you want more than one of these beasts, a 300 amp may be a good idea. But that's a bit more money. Still a pittance by comparison to the miners themselves.

Another shout out to the excellent support from Spondoolies and Zvisha who just spent hours on my second hand SP10 getting it working remotely. Amazing! You don't get that sort of support from anyone else in this industry. Thats why I trust that the compensation plan for SP30 will be fair, because time after time in my dealings with this company they have hit it out of the park in terms of service and delivery.

I agree, even if people don't know how to do it themselves, Electricians aren't that expensive, and surely they have a buddy that would do it for a few beers. Or maybe not. Still, couple hundred bucks isn't that much.

I don't think any situation would ever exist when a new panel is necessary.

It is good idea to create seperate thread, sp30 only, technical discussion and help, created by you or Guy.
That way all discussions regarding shipping, compensation, future batches and trolling would be off topic Nd you can move them to this thread if they have any value.

my trust rating is false, i have not scammed anyone.

Adding a 240 volt circuit to most houses is trivial and cheap. If you can afford 4K for a mining device, you can afford another 50-200 dollars for a new circuit or, worst case, a new panel with a new circuit. I find this argument disengenuous. Calling out a company for missing their target is fine and dandy. From what I've seen, Spondoolies has acknowledged that they made some errors and are working to rectify it. But bitching about a circuit or two is just plain trolling. This is high school level stuff.

To those of you who don't know how to do it and/or are afraid to, an electrician is not THAT expensive. It boggles me how people are willing to spend a small fortune on these devices and then bitch because they have to spend a pittance more to make their house compatible with the CLEARLY commercial grade equipment.

At 3kW, you won't be running on a standard home/office circuit anyway. (North-American plugs are generally limited to 12-15 amps of continuous draw (1320W-1650W at 110V, power factor of 1.0)

Edit: I suppose you can hook it up in the kitchen where the outlets generally have two branches (The SP30 does have two supplies).

Meh... just ignore the quotes. Thanks again for stepping up and giving some reassurance about the PSUs etc. I am really keen on seeing my SP30s arrive in Norway and belt out some bitcoins. I am really keen on seeing the 3rd Gen Pick Axe as well when it comes out. Definitely something that DIY's that are still chugging along will want to get their hands on as soon as they drop.