What to buy and why?
Funny you should ask ! You are on the right track. Keep plugging those numbers into the mining profitability calculators.
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April 12, 2014, 06:01:06 PM
Funny you should ask ! You are on the right track. Keep plugging those numbers into the mining profitability calculators.
April 12, 2014, 05:33:28 PM
Pre-ordering has risks. It also has potential for steep rewards. Do your decision.
I have no skin in this game at the moment but at least KNC has a plan B.They are cynically decided not to.
I'd send you $40k now if I thought I could ROI 6 SP30s in a year, but with current difficulty projections and the price trend on BTC, the numbers don't work. Good luck with your project.
Thank you. For many others the numbers do work. April 12, 2014, 05:21:20 PM
Indeed, I'm not an ASIC technical guy.
Point taken. After Passover holiday (towards the end of next week) we'll publish some more technical data.
I do however know the exact status of the project and it's timeline. And everything I've said is true.
As explained multiple time before. The 2nd gen is a simple die shrink of our 1st gen ASIC. It's essentially the same engine.
Well, there enough people here who understand that with a simple die shrink noise margins shrink faster than the consumed power.Point taken. After Passover holiday (towards the end of next week) we'll publish some more technical data.
I do however know the exact status of the project and it's timeline. And everything I've said is true.
As explained multiple time before. The 2nd gen is a simple die shrink of our 1st gen ASIC. It's essentially the same engine.
Anyway, I will gladly wait for an update after Nissan 22nd, 5774.
Meanwhile, please enjoy a belated happy Purim song, because I don't know any Passover songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5T25pdNBVU
I've edited my previous reply, please find and read it.
Thank you for the song.
The exact same team that did the 1st gen is doing the 2nd gen.
They have done multiple 28nm ASICs before - much more complex one.
April 12, 2014, 05:15:31 PM
Indeed, I'm not an ASIC technical guy.
Point taken. After Passover holiday (towards the end of next week) we'll publish some more technical data.
I do however know the exact status of the project and it's timeline. And everything I've said is true.
As explained multiple time before. The 2nd gen is a simple die shrink of our 1st gen ASIC. It's essentially the same engine.
Well, there enough people here who understand that with a simple die shrink noise margins shrink faster than the consumed power.Point taken. After Passover holiday (towards the end of next week) we'll publish some more technical data.
I do however know the exact status of the project and it's timeline. And everything I've said is true.
As explained multiple time before. The 2nd gen is a simple die shrink of our 1st gen ASIC. It's essentially the same engine.
Anyway, I will gladly wait for an update after Nissan 22nd, 5774.
Meanwhile, please enjoy a belated happy Purim song, because I don't know any Passover songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5T25pdNBVU
April 12, 2014, 04:57:16 PM
Pre-ordering has risks. It also has potential for steep rewards. Do your decision.
I have no skin in this game at the moment but at least KNC has a plan B.
I'd send you $40k now if I thought I could ROI 6 SP30s in a year, but with current difficulty projections and the price trend on BTC, the numbers don't work. Good luck with your project.
April 12, 2014, 04:52:37 PM
The technical data is available in the web site. It's a bit outdated. Upon signing an NDA we'll release all the needed information to start a design based on our 1st gen and 2nd gen ASICs. Multiple parties, companies and one collective already got the information.
The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC:
Voltage 0.63 V
Total Engines 193
Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz
Performance 190 GHs
Power 65 W
Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs
Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible.
Does it make you more comfortable ?
Should I post working FPGA pictures ?
Verilog test bench ?
Seriously, we know what we're doing.
The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec.
Edit:
Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board.
The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black.
(Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...)
Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s
We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board.
Edit2:
We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm.
I presume that you are just a marketroid. What you just did by saying "we know what we are doing" and "verilog testbench" is to suggest that you don't have any experience with designing power-limited and noise-limited ASICs. There is obviously a small possibility that someone in your team knows it, but intentionally told you to misinform. But I somehow doubt this had happened in Israel right after shabbat.The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC:
Voltage 0.63 V
Total Engines 193
Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz
Performance 190 GHs
Power 65 W
Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs
Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible.
Does it make you more comfortable ?
Should I post working FPGA pictures ?
Verilog test bench ?
Seriously, we know what we're doing.
The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec.
Edit:
Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board.
The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black.
(Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...)
Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s
We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board.
Edit2:
We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm.
You could make an intelligent post without disclosing any proprietary info. Bitfury for example had posted max clock speed for his chip with all hashing engines running and with just one engine running. He also posted whole slew of timing-margin and noise-margin vs. supply voltage values.
If you have no detailed BSIM (or similar analog) models of your chips at this stage then you quite clearly aren't in the "know what we are doing" category but in the "CAD monkey" category. This doesn't bode well for the successful delivery. Simon Barber of Hashfast was the most recent example on this forum: "our chip will work because Apache Redhawk says so!"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2894710
PS. In the above message all "you" should be understood as "plural you" (i.e. whole company as opposed to the person posting) with the exception of the very first.
Point taken. After Passover holiday (towards the end of next week) we'll publish some more technical data.
I do however know the exact status of the project and it's timeline. And everything I've said is true.
As explained multiple time before. The 2nd gen is a simple die shrink of our 1st gen ASIC. It's essentially the same engine.
Edit: RockerBox technical brief is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c65ebuvoh5sek2f/rockerbox_brief.pdf
Full datasheet will be given upon signing NDA
We'll post more technical data to "prove" project status after the Passover holiday.
This post was written by Guy Corem, Spondoolies-Tech CEO
(This user is shared between multiple Spondoolies-Tech employees)
April 12, 2014, 04:46:25 PM
"... (e) The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery; and ..."
NO refunds, buddy...
That is pretty clear and unambiguous.
And if it wasn't, this quote (also from the terms of sale) is:
Quote
3) Delivery; Shipment. Delivery dates communicated or acknowledged by Spondoolies in the Order Confirmation are approximate only, and are dependent upon supply chain interruptions and stoppages, development delays, and other factors. Therefore, Purchaser shall not rely upon, and Spondoolies shall not be liable under whatsoever circumstances for any other estimation statement of expectation when delivery will occur.
which seems fair enough. The purchaser assumes all risk, just like any other pre-order. Spondoolies-Tech should qualify their public statements regarding their resolve to deliver on time with a statement like "but if we don't, its too bad".
Should we offer 15% discount on the next purchase like other vendor who fail to meet spec ?
As explained, failure to meet the deadline can occurred only as a result of catastrophic event, in which case offering refunds now will be a gross lie.
Pre-ordering has risks. It also has potential for steep rewards. Do your decision.
April 12, 2014, 04:42:37 PM
The technical data is available in the web site. It's a bit outdated. Upon signing an NDA we'll release all the needed information to start a design based on our 1st gen and 2nd gen ASICs. Multiple parties, companies and one collective already got the information.
The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC:
Voltage 0.63 V
Total Engines 193
Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz
Performance 190 GHs
Power 65 W
Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs
Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible.
Does it make you more comfortable ?
Should I post working FPGA pictures ?
Verilog test bench ?
Seriously, we know what we're doing.
The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec.
Edit:
Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board.
The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black.
(Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...)
Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s
We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board.
Edit2:
We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm.
I presume that you are just a marketroid. What you just did by saying "we know what we are doing" and "verilog testbench" is to suggest that you don't have any experience with designing power-limited and noise-limited ASICs. There is obviously a small possibility that someone in your team knows it, but intentionally told you to misinform. But I somehow doubt this had happened in Israel right after shabbat.The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC:
Voltage 0.63 V
Total Engines 193
Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz
Performance 190 GHs
Power 65 W
Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs
Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible.
Does it make you more comfortable ?
Should I post working FPGA pictures ?
Verilog test bench ?
Seriously, we know what we're doing.
The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec.
Edit:
Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board.
The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black.
(Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...)
Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s
We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board.
Edit2:
We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm.
You could make an intelligent post without disclosing any proprietary info. Bitfury for example had posted max clock speed for his chip with all hashing engines running and with just one engine running. He also posted whole slew of timing-margin and noise-margin vs. supply voltage values.
If you have no detailed BSIM (or similar analog) models of your chips at this stage then you quite clearly aren't in the "know what we are doing" category but in the "CAD monkey" category. This doesn't bode well for the successful delivery. Simon Barber of Hashfast was the most recent example on this forum: "our chip will work because Apache Redhawk says so!"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2894710
PS. In the above message all "you" should be understood as "plural you" (i.e. whole company as opposed to the person posting) with the exception of the very first.
April 12, 2014, 04:21:38 PM
"... (e) The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery; and ..."
NO refunds, buddy...
That is pretty clear and unambiguous.
And if it wasn't, this quote (also from the terms of sale) is:
Quote
3) Delivery; Shipment. Delivery dates communicated or acknowledged by Spondoolies in the Order Confirmation are approximate only, and are dependent upon supply chain interruptions and stoppages, development delays, and other factors. Therefore, Purchaser shall not rely upon, and Spondoolies shall not be liable under whatsoever circumstances for any other estimation statement of expectation when delivery will occur.
which seems fair enough. The purchaser assumes all risk, just like any other pre-order. Spondoolies-Tech should qualify their public statements regarding their resolve to deliver on time with a statement like "but if we don't, its too bad".
April 12, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
What is this...?...Could you elaborate...?
This is my wildest dream that I'm currently having. Welcome.
April 12, 2014, 04:04:18 PM
Just remember that secrets work both ways: how would you like it if someone said it was an 'open secret' that you're using asicminer chips? I think you owe the KNC people an apology.
We're developing our own ASICs. We're transparent from the get go.Unlike KNC:
- We don't publish "Q1/Q2" shipping dates.
- We don't mine and compete with our customers.
- KNC knows they won't be able to ship on Q2. This is why they came up with 'Plan B'
- Guess when they'll finally offer the hosting alternative. Probably the last day of Q2
...
The first customers (batch 1) are expected to be hashing in our data center in early June and the last customer will hash in our data center around the last week of June. All the customers will be able to hash in that data center for as long as we are late in shipping your Neptune product, this service will be provided on a best effort basis
...
KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.
What is this...?...Could you elaborate...?
This is my wildest dream that I'm currently having. Welcome.
April 12, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
OK. Thanks. Sending some spondoolies your way. 
Thank you April 12, 2014, 03:29:35 PM
Needless to say, even in this relative trivial project we're doing verification + FPGA validation.
The exact status of the project:
We've submitted final net list to Global Unichip, the tapeout will be in the beginning of May.
One positive thing you could do to assuage the prospective customers is to post some concrete technical information about both your present chip and the future ones.The exact status of the project:
We've submitted final net list to Global Unichip, the tapeout will be in the beginning of May.
There is literally a lot of info that you could post without disclosing anything detrimental to the technical competitiveness of your project, e.g. some results of simulations like noise margins versus supply voltage.
If you need inspiration please go read bitfury's past posts.
The updated spec of our 2nd gen ASIC:
Voltage 0.63 V
Total Engines 193
Max frequency at TT corner 984 MHz
Performance 190 GHs
Power 65 W
Power/performance 0.34 W/GHs
Multiple voltages and overclocking points possible.
Does it make you more comfortable ?
Should I post working FPGA pictures ?
Verilog test bench ?
Seriously, we know what we're doing.
The ASICs will arrive on time, working. SP30 will be delivered on time and on spec.
Edit:
Some more information on the system. SP30, like the SP10 will contains two ASICs boards and one management board.
The management board will contain the same TI Sitara processor and FPGA. Beside the FPGA, it's almost identical to Beagle Bone Black.
(Unlike other vendors, we don't ship with hobby boards...)
Each ASICs board contains 15 RockerBox ASICs. The total system output is expected to be over 5.5 TH/s
We've improved our DC2DC design, and we're testing it separately on a test board.
Edit2:
We won't release any information on our 3rd gen ASIC (PickAxe) beside stating again that the design goal is to compete and win in the EH/s (Exa Hash/s) era, while eradicating (by making obsolete) a well known northern farm.
April 12, 2014, 03:25:04 PM
Are the June orders still available for SP10?
Yes: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/sp10Thanks. I did have a look, but the OP indicates some units are sold out.
Hosting - If I go for 3 months hosting, is that available immediately? Is hosting a cloud based service only, or is hosting linked to the purchase of hardware?
The hosting is linked to the purchased hardware. You'll get full access to your miner UI.
At any point, you may elect to end the hosting and ship the miner.
OK. Thanks. Sending some spondoolies your way.
April 12, 2014, 03:23:04 PM
Are the June orders still available for SP10?
Yes: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/sp10Thanks. I did have a look, but the OP indicates some units are sold out.
Hosting - If I go for 3 months hosting, is that available immediately? Is hosting a cloud based service only, or is hosting linked to the purchase of hardware?
The hosting is linked to the purchased hardware. You'll get full access to your miner UI.
At any point, you may elect to end the hosting and ship the miner.
April 12, 2014, 03:20:40 PM
Needless to say, even in this relative trivial project we're doing verification + FPGA validation.
The exact status of the project:
We've submitted final net list to Global Unichip, the tapeout will be in the beginning of May.
One positive thing you could do to assuage the prospective customers is to post some concrete technical information about both your present chip and the future ones.The exact status of the project:
We've submitted final net list to Global Unichip, the tapeout will be in the beginning of May.
There is literally a lot of info that you could post without disclosing anything detrimental to the technical competitiveness of your project, e.g. some results of simulations like noise margins versus supply voltage.
If you need inspiration please go read bitfury's past posts.
April 12, 2014, 03:19:14 PM
Are the June orders still available for SP10?
Yes: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products/sp10Thanks. I did have a look, but the OP indicates some units are sold out.
Hosting - If I go for 3 months hosting, is that available immediately? Is hosting a cloud based service only, or is hosting linked to the purchase of hardware?
April 12, 2014, 03:18:24 PM
KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.
Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way.
Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned. 
My point: We can do excellent business while distributing the hash-rate. We'll prove that.
If I had the money to throw at you I'd throw it all, take out a small loan and throw that at you as well
April 12, 2014, 03:15:50 PM
KNC can provide the entire hash-rate to their customers right now. They've chosen not to do so and directly compete with their customers.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.
This kind of business practice we're committed to root out. We have long catch up to do, but we are determined to turn the below into useless pile of junks (i.e. obsolete and below electrically break-even) by delivering on-time much more power efficient hardware.
Sounds very good! Let's hope it stays that way.
Ironically KNC was pitching the same mentality and slogans last year, then they turned. My point: We can do excellent business while distributing the hash-rate. We'll prove that.
If I had the money to throw at you I'd throw it all, take out a small loan and throw that at you as well
April 12, 2014, 03:15:07 PM
Are the June orders still available for SP10?
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