iCE is basing his entire argument on the Glassbox docs:
http://www.glassboxinvestments.com/report-1-nxt/
Which is over a year old, and was obviously intended as a piece of anti-JL777 propaganda from the start.
Notice how it starts off with a whole 2 paragraphs on what Nxt is, followed by about 6 screens worth of 'James is bad' - based on no actual evidence of any wrong doing.
I don't see any other Nxt projects even get a mention, and there's close to nothing on Nxt features
Note also that GlassBox have never published any of their promised reports on other Cypto 2.0 projects, even though they've had a year to do so.
The GlassBox doc also contains no actual information or evidence of any kind, but is backed up by only the authors opinion.
iCE is either not able to understand the nature of this document, or he knows what it is and is deliberately trolling......
Either way, the GlassBox document means nothing.
EDIT:
BiText and CfB share my opinion:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12481917
Topic: [ANN] SuperNET NXT asset 12071612744977229797, SUPERNET KMD assetchain in summer - page 41. (Read 736772 times)
September 21, 2015, 10:11:33 AM
September 21, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
JL777 I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 
Thank you so much for all project
Just ignore TROLL
many people respect you for your hard work
You are a Machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine
Thank you so much for all project
Just ignore TROLL
many people respect you for your hard work
You are a Machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine
Yes, mucho respect tot James !
Not sure if monero can be beaten on the anon front tho since they use rot13 twice for double the encryption!
September 21, 2015, 05:10:35 AM
JL777 I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Thank you so much for all project
Just ignore TROLL
many people respect you for your hard work
You are a Machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine
Thank you so much for all project
Just ignore TROLL
many people respect you for your hard work
You are a Machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine
September 21, 2015, 04:28:08 AM
At this point, given your atrocious record of serial launch-hype-abandon failures, your "commitment to finishing the tech" has zero credibility.
Of course I doubt you will finish anything you start. Such an novel event would be unprecedented and surprising.
I will quote you on this so there is a clear record of your interpretation of reality.Of course I doubt you will finish anything you start. Such an novel event would be unprecedented and surprising.
You ignore that MGW is completed. You ignore InstantDEX is in test release. You ignore that SuperNET agents and decentralized relays are working. You ignore that pangea was not my personal project, yet I am working on making a release for it which I believe solves the decentralized poker problem.
Until you start using facts I will be ignoring your (paid?) trolling. I do admit that I am not finished yet, but I am continuously working toward completion. The only thing that you can fault me on is that all not completed yet, but considering the difficulty of decentralized tech and the scope of what I am working on, most rational people understand that it cannot be done on a precise schedule.
James
Fact: after more than a year of selling vaporware investment schemes to the public, you have all of ONE "completed" project to show for it. Some pro-coder you are.
Again, you don't bother to defend your repeated misleading misuse of the term "dividend." Glassbox called you out for doing that, but you keep pretending you can't hear them...
Quote
The use of “dividends” – commonly understood as a form of profit-sharing – for projects that are not yet actually profitable (or in many cases, even functional). While it appears James has never claimed to issue dividends in the profit-sharing sense, potential investors unfamiliar with this distinction could easily be misled. The fact of the matter is that the only “dividends” he issues are new assets being given to those who hold nxtventure or SuperNET.
That you start stuff and never finish isn't only my own "interpretation of reality." Glassbox also agrees...
Quote
James has a history of creating assets, giving himself a large chunk of those assets, and then releasing the asset for public trading. After seeing the price increase, he then moves on to other projects before finishing the project he sold assets for. As all of his assets are driven by speculation and not actual, profit-generating services, it’s possible that James is trying to unload as many assets as he can before the scheme hits its inevitable limit.
Conclusion:
From the fact that James hides his identity, to the lack of services that are up and running, to the fact that his assets combined have a higher market cap than NXT itself, to the general lack of transparency and clarity, there is no shortage of reasons for investors to proceed with caution. Caveat Emptor is the watchword here.
Conclusion:
From the fact that James hides his identity, to the lack of services that are up and running, to the fact that his assets combined have a higher market cap than NXT itself, to the general lack of transparency and clarity, there is no shortage of reasons for investors to proceed with caution. Caveat Emptor is the watchword here.
So you claim MGW is "completed." Big deal, that's ONE FUCKING THING. Meanwhile, you've left how many other projects in an unfinished state? 8? 16? 32?
I didn't ask for a "precise schedule" as I allowed that software development is subject to delays.
You're hitting a "precise schedule" strawman, when what I actually said was...
Quote
It's not just (as often happens in software) that Pangea Poker, BBR integration, etc, etc, etc have slipped past previously announced deadlines, it's more that you don't keep the community or investors informed about WTF is going on (or, more accurately, not going on).
A professional would communicate ahead of time that a deadline will be missed, along with why the deadline was missed, and what the new deadline is.
If you're going to be late to an appointment, you call and let them know before it's scheduled to begin. If you're going to flake, it is considered polite to let counterparties know ASAP, not just rudely blow them off and be silent about the reasons why.
A professional would communicate ahead of time that a deadline will be missed, along with why the deadline was missed, and what the new deadline is.
If you're going to be late to an appointment, you call and let them know before it's scheduled to begin. If you're going to flake, it is considered polite to let counterparties know ASAP, not just rudely blow them off and be silent about the reasons why.
Glassbox and I are using facts, for example the fact that the ONLY thing you've ever (supposedly) finished is MGW. Second factual example: BBR integration never happened.
Your excuses ("paid trolling" "not using facts") don't apply to Glassbox. They aren't even posting here, and meticulously documented every step of your scams.
September 21, 2015, 03:22:54 AM
Just ignore mr frustration, he's not worth the attention.
I hope he's a paid troll tho(eventho that would show that the troll standards are realy low these days), if not then he must lead one 'happy' life lol.
Kinda feel sorry for the guy.
Anyway you should be coding James and not waste time helping that guy cope with his short comings in life.
Go do your magic !
I hope he's a paid troll tho(eventho that would show that the troll standards are realy low these days), if not then he must lead one 'happy' life lol.
Kinda feel sorry for the guy.
Anyway you should be coding James and not waste time helping that guy cope with his short comings in life.
Go do your magic !
September 21, 2015, 01:47:18 AM
At this point, given your atrocious record of serial launch-hype-abandon failures, your "commitment to finishing the tech" has zero credibility.
Of course I doubt you will finish anything you start. Such an novel event would be unprecedented and surprising.
I will quote you on this so there is a clear record of your interpretation of reality.Of course I doubt you will finish anything you start. Such an novel event would be unprecedented and surprising.
You ignore that MGW is completed. You ignore InstantDEX is in test release. You ignore that SuperNET agents and decentralized relays are working. You ignore that pangea was not my personal project, yet I am working on making a release for it which I believe solves the decentralized poker problem.
Until you start using facts I will be ignoring your (paid?) trolling. I do admit that I am not finished yet, but I am continuously working toward completion. The only thing that you can fault me on is that all not completed yet, but considering the difficulty of decentralized tech and the scope of what I am working on, most rational people understand that it cannot be done on a precise schedule.
James
September 21, 2015, 01:26:40 AM
It's obvious Glassbox and I have plenty of IQ points
No you don't, because obviously you wouldn't know how to use them if you had them.
Quote
I can't wait until
Exactly, which says all about your demented compulsive-obsessive personality: You can't
Now go and eat a few couch cushions. Yummie!
September 21, 2015, 12:52:29 AM
glassbox conclusions are incorrect and based on his initial assessment. would be interesting to see what he says now after passage of time where I have not sold off any significant amount of the assets, nor have I abandoned any projects. I think the concept of delegation is something that needs to be understood. and when the team that was delegated to runs into problems, I do step in and help when I can.
building revenues streams is not something that happens overnight. after all what crypto has actual profits and isnt based on speculation? So in that sense my projects are in the same category as crypto in general. the difference is that SuperNET has a roadmap toward profits, this is something most other cryptos does not have.
you make accusations against me that are unsubstantiated. I have committed to finishing the tech, and I will. do you doubt this?
James
Let's start by noting you don't even bother to defend your incorrect and misleading use of the term "dividend."
Now please be clear, are you actually doubling down on your previous claim that nobody (inclusive of Glassbox) "with any IQ points can consider that [you are] abandoning projects or not completing them?"
It's obvious Glassbox and I have plenty of IQ points, and are correct in our justifiably dim respective assessments of your paltry project completion rate.
At this point, given your atrocious record of serial launch-hype-abandon failures, your "commitment to finishing the tech" has zero credibility.
Of course I doubt you will finish anything you start. Such an novel event would be unprecedented and surprising.
It's not just (as often happens in software) that Pangea Poker, BBR integration, etc, etc, etc have slipped past previously announced deadlines, it's more that you don't keep the community or investors informed about WTF is going on (or, more accurately, not going on).
A professional would communicate ahead of time that a deadline will be missed, along with why the deadline was missed, and what the new deadline is.
If you're going to be late to an appointment, you call and let them know before it's scheduled to begin. If you're going to flake, it is considered polite to let counterparties know ASAP, not just rudely blow them off and be silent about the reasons why.
Glassbox is being way too nice about you and NXT. They know it's a scam nexus, but only will only come right up to outside boundary of saying so.
I can't wait until they get off the fence and rigorously tear you a heavily footnoted new one, with all the appropriate citation boxes checked.
September 20, 2015, 11:04:09 PM
glassbox conclusions are incorrect and based on his initial assessment. would be interesting to see what he says now after passage of time where I have not sold off any significant amount of the assets, nor have I abandoned any projects. I think the concept of delegation is something that needs to be understood. and when the team that was delegated to runs into problems, I do step in and help when I can.
building revenues streams is not something that happens overnight. after all what crypto has actual profits and isnt based on speculation? So in that sense my projects are in the same category as crypto in general. the difference is that SuperNET has a roadmap toward profits, this is something most other cryptos does not have.
you make accusations against me that are unsubstantiated. I have committed to finishing the tech, and I will. do you doubt this?
James
September 20, 2015, 10:11:28 PM
Not sure how anybody with any IQ points can consider that I am abandoning projects or not completing them. They are not completed yet, but they are in the process of being completed.
There you go again, stringing along your investors by moving your perpetually receding goal posts.
Glassbox certainly has enough "IQ points" to recognize NXT acts, in every way, exactly like a scam.
Quote
10.) His modus operandi is to issue an asset, then start the project. He subsequently oversees the project and has other members of the NXT community do the coding. As outlined above, he often eventually steps away from – our outright abandons – the project. This lack of commitment and focus presents a sizable red flag.
11.) The use of “dividends” – commonly understood as a form of profit-sharing – for projects that are not yet actually profitable (or in many cases, even functional). While it appears James has never claimed to issue dividends in the profit-sharing sense, potential investors unfamiliar with this distinction could easily be misled. The fact of the matter is that the only “dividends” he issues are new assets being given to those who hold nxtventure or SuperNET.
James has a history of creating assets, giving himself a large chunk of those assets, and then releasing the asset for public trading. After seeing the price increase, he then moves on to other projects before finishing the project he sold assets for. As all of his assets are driven by speculation and not actual, profit-generating services, it’s possible that James is trying to unload as many assets as he can before the scheme hits its inevitable limit.
Conclusion:
From the fact that James hides his identity, to the lack of services that are up and running, to the fact that his assets combined have a higher market cap than NXT itself, to the general lack of transparency and clarity, there is no shortage of reasons for investors to proceed with caution. Caveat Emptor is the watchword here.
11.) The use of “dividends” – commonly understood as a form of profit-sharing – for projects that are not yet actually profitable (or in many cases, even functional). While it appears James has never claimed to issue dividends in the profit-sharing sense, potential investors unfamiliar with this distinction could easily be misled. The fact of the matter is that the only “dividends” he issues are new assets being given to those who hold nxtventure or SuperNET.
James has a history of creating assets, giving himself a large chunk of those assets, and then releasing the asset for public trading. After seeing the price increase, he then moves on to other projects before finishing the project he sold assets for. As all of his assets are driven by speculation and not actual, profit-generating services, it’s possible that James is trying to unload as many assets as he can before the scheme hits its inevitable limit.
Conclusion:
From the fact that James hides his identity, to the lack of services that are up and running, to the fact that his assets combined have a higher market cap than NXT itself, to the general lack of transparency and clarity, there is no shortage of reasons for investors to proceed with caution. Caveat Emptor is the watchword here.
You don't even know how to use the word "dividend" correctly, or, you are intentionally misusing it to deceive your baghodlers.
September 20, 2015, 09:48:09 PM
After I wrote Jumblr last week I got an idea on how to do decentralized poker. After a week I got a proof of concept for a fully decentralized card shuffling and have a prototype 70% coded. I am on pace for a command line version ready to test this next week.
I guess its just another example of a project that I abandoned (even though it was never directly my project in the first place), but I finally had some time to dedicate to it. But I never promised to do GUI and so even though the API are functional without GUI it seems that it is not there. somehow other projects are having command line only...
So, MGW (ramchains + lchains), decentralized relays, supernet agents, instantdex, atomic swaps, jumblr coinshuffle, and decentralized poker, in the last year.
Not sure how anybody with any IQ points can consider that I am abandoning projects or not completing them. They are not completed yet, but they are in the process of being completed. I just dont have much time to post here as I am actually coding 18 hours per day. api.supernet.org has an example of just the InstantDEX GUI, which has finally been documented by mezzovide, who has been doing a great job with the build process, testing, documenting, etc.
I will be getting pangea core done in parallel with peggy as they are related and will share the opreturn protocol (another tech I did while I was supposedly abandoning projects).
Anyway, i dont think anybody can credibly claim that I cannot code. Also, I dont believe anybody can credibly claim that I abandon projects. And there are dozens of projects that are being done by other project teams in addition to what I am doing.
James
I guess its just another example of a project that I abandoned (even though it was never directly my project in the first place), but I finally had some time to dedicate to it. But I never promised to do GUI and so even though the API are functional without GUI it seems that it is not there. somehow other projects are having command line only...
So, MGW (ramchains + lchains), decentralized relays, supernet agents, instantdex, atomic swaps, jumblr coinshuffle, and decentralized poker, in the last year.
Not sure how anybody with any IQ points can consider that I am abandoning projects or not completing them. They are not completed yet, but they are in the process of being completed. I just dont have much time to post here as I am actually coding 18 hours per day. api.supernet.org has an example of just the InstantDEX GUI, which has finally been documented by mezzovide, who has been doing a great job with the build process, testing, documenting, etc.
I will be getting pangea core done in parallel with peggy as they are related and will share the opreturn protocol (another tech I did while I was supposedly abandoning projects).
Anyway, i dont think anybody can credibly claim that I cannot code. Also, I dont believe anybody can credibly claim that I abandon projects. And there are dozens of projects that are being done by other project teams in addition to what I am doing.
James
September 20, 2015, 07:54:01 PM
Strong comeback, iCE.
Damn, did I just use my 2000th post on that ?
Damn, did I just use my 2000th post on that ?
So, where is Pangea Poker?
Wasn't the play money version supposed to come out 3 months ago?
And WTF happened to BBR integration?
All you NXT/SuperNet guys ever do is announce new projects, hype them, pump the price, dump your bags, and abandon them for whatever shiny new thing you're using to distract everyone from your unfinished business and broken promises.
Think I'm on post 2002 now. and I have no idea on Pangea Poker and their status.
Having just checked NxtForum, though, feel free to hassle them there as well:
https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/pangea-poker/
Or ask for an invite to SuperNET Slack.......
See, one of the issues I have with your view of Nxt is that you seem to think, firstly, that Nxt and SuperNET are the same project, and, secondly, that there is some sort of central control in the Nxt ecosystem. You appear to have no idea of how much serious work is going into Nxt, or how it's 'organised', if you can call Nxt organised in a traditional sense.
RTFM, iCE: Nxt is a truly decentralised community. Lots of people working on lots of seperate projects. There's crossover between projects, but the only thing they all have in common is that they use Nxt as their base. That's it.
September 20, 2015, 06:56:24 PM
Strong comeback, iCE.
Damn, did I just use my 2000th post on that ?
Damn, did I just use my 2000th post on that ?
So, where is Pangea Poker?
Wasn't the play money version supposed to come out 3 months ago?
And WTF happened to BBR integration?
All you NXT/SuperNet guys ever do is announce new projects, hype them, pump the price, dump your bags, and abandon them for whatever shiny new thing you're using to distract everyone from your unfinished business and broken promises.
September 20, 2015, 06:49:17 PM
Strong comeback, iCE.
Damn, did I just use my 2000th post on that ?
Damn, did I just use my 2000th post on that ?
September 20, 2015, 04:54:22 PM
Everyone put iCEBREAKER on ignore please. It's just an rather dumb and annoying troll.
ok, let us all put the ICECREAM guy on ignore.
the only thing we'll have to miss, is a broken record.
Oh, did I offend you two? Good...
So, where is Pangea Poker?
Wasn't the play money version supposed to come out 3 months ago?
September 20, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
Everyone put iCEBREAKER on ignore please. It's just an rather dumb and annoying troll.
ok, let us all put the ICECREAM guy on ignore.
the only thing we'll have to miss, is a broken record.
September 20, 2015, 08:20:37 AM
Everyone put iCEBREAKER on ignore please. It's just an rather dumb and annoying troll.
September 20, 2015, 02:08:41 AM
I wouldn't want to be the attorney splitting that hair for an unamused judge or TLA.
When SuperNet and jl777hodl encounter the inevitable regulatory scrutiny, Polo is going to have some very difficult questions to answer.
When SuperNet and jl777hodl encounter the inevitable regulatory scrutiny, Polo is going to have some very difficult questions to answer.
lol. demented little IRS troll doesn't know there are jurisdictions other than US
Except for the fact that Poloniex is in the US and subject to that jurisdiction.
September 20, 2015, 01:53:46 AM
I wouldn't want to be the attorney splitting that hair for an unamused judge or TLA.
When SuperNet and jl777hodl encounter the inevitable regulatory scrutiny, Polo is going to have some very difficult questions to answer.
When SuperNet and jl777hodl encounter the inevitable regulatory scrutiny, Polo is going to have some very difficult questions to answer.
lol. demented little IRS troll doesn't know there are jurisdictions other than US
September 19, 2015, 06:51:57 PM
After careful deliberation, we have decided to not participate in the SuperNet ICO. I understand that a large community is excited about SuperNet, and since we were initially announced as the ICO host, I wanted to take a moment to explain how we came to arrive at this decision.
For the past couple of days, we’ve been in discussions with our attorneys about hosting the SuperNet ICO. As several community members pointed out in this very thread, the sale of SuperNet tokens could be interpreted as the sale of unregistered securities. Our attorneys came to the same conclusion and have since advised us against taking part in the SuperNet ICO for this reason.
Further, one of our ICO requirements is identity verification (https://www.poloniex.com/icoRequirements); this requirement exists to protect investors and to lend credibility to the ICO. Despite several attempts to convince James the importance of revealing his identity, we were ultimately unable to reach an agreement that satisfied both parties.
We needed time for due diligence, to carefully assess the legal implications of taking part in SuperNet, and also the time to set up our backend systems to support it. James was very eager to get this going, however, so he chose to go with another host before we could communicate to him our findings and final decision.
We have since communicated with James, and we wish him the best of luck.
For the past couple of days, we’ve been in discussions with our attorneys about hosting the SuperNet ICO. As several community members pointed out in this very thread, the sale of SuperNet tokens could be interpreted as the sale of unregistered securities. Our attorneys came to the same conclusion and have since advised us against taking part in the SuperNet ICO for this reason.
Further, one of our ICO requirements is identity verification (https://www.poloniex.com/icoRequirements); this requirement exists to protect investors and to lend credibility to the ICO. Despite several attempts to convince James the importance of revealing his identity, we were ultimately unable to reach an agreement that satisfied both parties.
We needed time for due diligence, to carefully assess the legal implications of taking part in SuperNet, and also the time to set up our backend systems to support it. James was very eager to get this going, however, so he chose to go with another host before we could communicate to him our findings and final decision.
We have since communicated with James, and we wish him the best of luck.
I'm glad Polo wisely declined to participate in the SuperNet ICO.
But I don't understand why Polo nevertheless listed jl777hodl, a scam asset which has done nothing except destroy value for anyone foolish enough to buy into it.
I know the former is an ICO while the latter is an asset (albeit composed of other assets which supposedly monetize an asset platform for managing assets), but that very much seems to be a distinction without a difference. I wouldn't want to be the attorney splitting that hair for an unamused judge or TLA.
When SuperNet and jl777hodl encounter the inevitable regulatory scrutiny, Polo is going to have some very difficult questions to answer.
You're a little out of touch buddy, that was news from over a year ago. A lot has happened since then; you'll see.
Jump to: