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Clearly the words of a person unfamiliar with the way computers used to be, prior to the development of the 'Personal' computer. Dumb terminals in an office building all hooked up to a central computer. If you were cutting edge enough to be working from home in those days you still are talking in terms of a dumb terminal connecting long-distance to a centralised computer.

Decentralised computing is about how you view the picture as a whole.

The processor in your laptop is a centralised device in the scale of you and your hardware, but considering you used to have to rely on the processor at the core of a corporations mainframe instead, all the people you know who are now using their own processors in their own devices, that's decentralisation of power, from the corporation to the individual.

Ultimately, the goal of true internet decentralisation is going to be the ability to hook yourself up to it without needing an ISP but, in the meantime, the fact that you can hook yourself up to your ISP without limitations is a good enough goal. Talk to a few users of old-school AOL customers or any other internet-early-days ISP, where they tried to create a closed corporate environment their users were restricted to in the hope they'd be able to spoon feed them a sanitized, commercial environment instead of the full open internet.

There may be value-added features of superNET which begin as distributed, or even centralised, server-based provisions, but the nature of SuperNET itself means that there is constant pressure to decentralise and find innovative ways in order to do so, which is a rather unique goal compared to mainstream corporate internet-service structures.

i think mql4 is a C like language with specific environment, so you would have to port them. I have made a similar environment to metatrader as that is most familiar for this space

I have found a pre-existing GUI
custom indicators: yes, but not initially, though making one that is not displayed on GUI could be done

recently added was the ability to run python and actually anything via shell, so you can write custom indicators using whatever language and it is directly integrated into your local SuperNET. My assumption is that if you are doing such things you know what you are doing and since you know what you are doing, you should be able to access the full power of your own computer.

I am currently dealing with data syncing of ramchains efficiently, but this solution would directly apply to InstantDEX.

James

my printing press response was left unresponded too. it is clearly a powerful argument I have made.

but I do admit that books are not creating a peer to peer decentralized network that is making a blockchain.

not sure why this point needs to be clarified, but it seems if there is any imprecision about such things he is complaining

James

There are different forms of centralisation. Don't conflate them.
Yes, BTT is centralised since it has a central point of failure (its servers or mods, etc).
But it allows a decentralisation of expression. Within reason anyone can post their opinions here and have them read by hundreds or thousands of people. This would simply not have been possible 20 years ago. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
Even then, 'the internet' isn't centralised around one set of servers. If BTT doesn't let you use it or Twitter bans you or your ISP cuts your connection, it's not like you're unable to access the internet and post a message to social media ever again. Are the number of social networks and other platforms for you to post your views to the world decreasing or increasing...?

This is not we mean when we are talking about decentralize in crypto.  We have more competition on the internet, but servers people use (google, dropbox, flickr, twitter, etc) are all centralized. Even this forum is centralized. Almost everything online is centralized one way or another.

content creation on the NET is NOT controlled by editorial guidelines to the same extent as traditional media, so with little cost and effort, ordinary people like you and me are capable of producing content that *might* reach & influence millions of people. Think of a a viral YouTube video. Yes, a big corporation owns YouTube, but what about in the future? Decentralisation of content creation has empowered people. Decentralization of the infrastructure is the next step. If you can't see this trend now don't worry. It's still early days

The gatekeepers of news, ideas, values, culture etc still exist, but their power is reducing. There is competition, and it comes from lots & lots of little people all around the world.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/the-rise-of-the-personal-power-plant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgeneration
http://www.gizmag.com/hydrobee-portable-hydroelectric-generator/29839/

my point is that new tech is creating new ways to generate power. Also saying that "most power generation are industrial and extremely capital intensive and often government owned / subsidized" so there is no decentralization happening in power is similar to saying that fiat is 99.999% of money so there is no decentralization happening with crypto.

I think you are relying on a logical fallacy.

The point that was made that things are in the process of decentralizing. Not that everything is fully decentralized now. A trend. A direction. A movement toward.

The reason for all this is technology. As it advances, things that used to have to be big (and therefore expensive) can become much less expensive and thus affordable to people. And if more people have access, this is a movement toward decentralization

James

Would you consider the printing press a form of decentralization?

The fact that the printing presses might have been controlled by some centralized printing press cabal is not relevant as compared to the ability for printed words to reach the masses. Prior to this I think it was the church and royalty and wealthy who even had access to books.

So as ridiculous as it might sound, the computer and internet are decentralizing

It is all relative. That means even if something is not 100% decentralized, if it is less centralized than previously it is a movement toward decentralization. Even if the websites are controlled by centralized entity. The fact that individuals can publish their own website to the world, this is the printing press to the extreme.

so if the printing press is decentralizing so is the internet and personal computer

James

I'm not too convinced by the power generation thing.  Maybe that is true if you are in the Netherlands or Germany and see those huge turbines on the way to work every morning.  Everywhere else in the world most power generation are industrial and extremely capital intensive and often government owned / subsidized.

blogs are posed to servers that are centralized, production is done by software owned by companions like Adobe, Google, Microsoft and Apple. I don't know what you are talking by the "internet itself" The Internet is simply a name for a network. You connect to it via ISP that charges you money.

WTF? Calling a computer "decentralized" is like calling a washing machine "decentralized". THat statement makes no sense.  Internet is not a "thing" -- it's just a name of a network, and for most people it's not decentralized, as they connect to internet via their ISP, and even most of the traffic on the internet (if not 99.9%)  go through centralized servers like google, netflix, amazon. P2P traffic is mostly the file sharing software used by pirates.  

production & distribution of 'culture' - music, videos, news, blogs, ideas ... thinking for yourself .. the internet itself

The computer
The internet

These are a form of decentralization. Computers use to fill entire rooms and only big corporations could even computer. The internet, well I am sure I dont need to provide examples.

Power generation by efficient windmills, solar panels.

I am sure I can find more but when computers, communications and power are being decentralized, then this seems like a large spectrum of society

James

Like what? List all the things that were decentralized in last 15 years. I don't know any except crypto like BTC and file sharing software that is mostly used to pirate software and media

Or maybe you are not paying attention to the single, most obvious trend of the last 15 years  -which is decentralization - in everything.

#SuperNET Newsletter #13: http://nxter.org/supernet-newsletter-13/

If decentralization is so awesome then why are most decentralized coins failing?  Last I check Ripple is heavily centralized and #2 and it continues to go up, while everything else is going down.

Do customers of PayPal and Stripe complain about those companies' centralization?  Hardly..  this obsession with centralized has a lot to  do with this libertarian streak in cryptos but, at the same time, somebody like Jackson Palmer is correct in that those libertarians are likely holding back the blockchain technology with all of their unnecessary politics.

that sounds impussibre man , how would they do even do that with the current technology.

Why you even read that scam block copy net topic?