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Topic: [ANN] Syscoin - Business on the Blockchain - LAUNCHED! - page 310. (Read 490241 times)

legendary
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they mention moolah has 90k users and lot of merchants. they have been in business for 7 months.

where is the source or proof? what business they have done so far?

I'll let Moolah answer that one.
the answer is ?

I should also note that for those who have not been following Moolah and the features they are slowly but surely introducing to the markets.
They have started offering direct coin/fiat conversions for a few selected altcoins.
Not going to speculate on what that means for syscoin, but....

legendary
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they mention moolah has 90k users and lot of merchants. they have been in business for 7 months.

where is the source or proof? what business they have done so far?

I'll let Moolah answer that one.
the answer is ?

I sent them a PM, should come back in and comment when time permits.
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they mention moolah has 90k users and lot of merchants. they have been in business for 7 months.

where is the source or proof? what business they have done so far?

I'll let Moolah answer that one.
the answer is ?
newbie
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So - aside from all the details relative to the launch itself, coin valuation etc, anyone out there have some interesting technical questions for us? We can talk use cases, implementation details, etc.. just ask!

How easy will it be to build a decentralized eBay out of Syscoin? Will people be able to buy and sell items through Moolah in a decentralized manner utilizing Syscoins, or will it be through some special portal or app or something? I'm not too down with the "technical" side of all this, so I'm not even sure if it's possible with Syscoin's offerings, but I imagine this with a user-friendly approach would go far in terms of initial adoption.

This is a great question. Let me try and answer initially and then @coderboo may come through with a more technical answer.

Let's play out a hypothetical use case as i think that might be the easiest way to convey how this might play out- let's call it SysBay. Initially there will be some effort involved to create a decentralized SysBay, a developer would need to build a front end on top of the Syscoin marketplace service to display only a subset of offers (just those related to SysBay) in a user-friendly display (think something that looks like ebay). Then, regular users would use this front end to list items for sale on SysBay or buy items from other users who sell things on SysBay. This would also provide the SysBay developer with some revenue as they will have the option of adding fees for their users to leverage their frontend which makes all of this interaction with decentralized markets much more user friendly.

As it is implemented today, SysBay would have to be "fixed price" because marketplaces within Syscoin don't currently have the construct of bid/asks but we are already looking at that and may be enhancing that prior to launch. At the moment though its a fixed price mechanism for marketplace offers.

Additionally, we are working with Moolah to make this type of experience more readily available to a wider audience. They already have a complete merchant platform and are working on more things I'm not able to disclose at the moment related to marketplaces. This is one of the reasons we partnered with them and vice versa; we have a technology solution that facilitates decentralized end-user services that they want to offer to users via the Moolah platform and we're working with them to make that happen.

So even as a user that may not be very technical, Syscoin provides business opportunities to developers (any developer) that will make user-friendly marketplaces on top of Syscoin pop up very fast. Additionally the Syscoin Team is looking to release something generic/whitelabel to serve as a basis for others to build out. We definitely realize at the bare-bones level this is technical stuff and in order for mass adoption to occur there will need to be layers between "raw Syscoin services" and the "end user" that make this easy and consumable from the start.

Dan, this answer is more thorough than the one I just posted Smiley no need for me to elaborate further unless more specific questions arise.
newbie
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How easy will it be to build a decentralized eBay out of Syscoin? Will people be able to buy and sell items through Moolah in a decentralized manner utilizing Syscoins, or will it be through some special portal or app or something? I'm not too down with the "technical" side of all this, so I'm not even sure if it's possible with Syscoin's offerings, but I imagine this with a user-friendly approach would go far in terms of initial adoption.

Well, it depends on what you define as easy!  If designing and coding app interfaces is easy to you, then yes, as syscoin takes care of the 'decentralized ebay' infrastructure part of the equation. Since syscoin's marketplace-related primitives allow for the implementation of a range of markets and hide that complexity behind its JSON-RPC interfaces, developers are left to focus on creating systems that add value. Interfacing with syscoin is straightforward and easy; if you have any experience as a programmer you'll have your code coded and talking to syscoin within a few hours.

Dan or one of the other Syscoin members can best discuss our Moolah partnership, but I can tell you that syscoin certainly has no dependencies on Moolah or any other entity.
full member
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Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
for Syscoin, destroying or not doesn't make any difference.

Please elaborate.

Mining Reward Schedule
Cumulative Days       Days @ Reward Level       Ends @ Blockheight       Block Reward
15   15   21600   1024
60   45   64800   768
240   180   280800   512
510   270   669600   384
875   365   1195200   256
Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached.

Since this schedule is set. By destroying the unsold coins, you only shorten the period of "Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached." while is not our concern.
As dzarmush pointed out, we should be concerned about the first 15 or 60 days after launch.


Not a concern at all. You still have 15% of 2 billion coins released compared to significantly less than that

dont rush into that conclusion.
you should have realized that 15% can be hardly sold out.

Nah it will. Also, you can't really mess the ratios because miners won't like it as well. It's a question, who do you want to pump and dump more miners or investors. ..
hero member
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Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
for Syscoin, destroying or not doesn't make any difference.

Please elaborate.

Mining Reward Schedule
Cumulative Days       Days @ Reward Level       Ends @ Blockheight       Block Reward
15   15   21600   1024
60   45   64800   768
240   180   280800   512
510   270   669600   384
875   365   1195200   256
Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached.

Since this schedule is set. By destroying the unsold coins, you only shorten the period of "Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached." while is not our concern.
As dzarmush pointed out, we should be concerned about the first 15 or 60 days after launch.


Not a concern at all. You still have 15% of 2 billion coins released compared to significantly less than that

dont rush into that conclusion.
you should have realized that 15% can be hardly sold out.
full member
Activity: 137
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Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
for Syscoin, destroying or not doesn't make any difference.

Please elaborate.

Mining Reward Schedule
Cumulative Days       Days @ Reward Level       Ends @ Blockheight       Block Reward
15   15   21600   1024
60   45   64800   768
240   180   280800   512
510   270   669600   384
875   365   1195200   256
Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached.

Since this schedule is set. By destroying the unsold coins, you only shorten the period of "Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached." while is not our concern.
As dzarmush pointed out, we should be concerned about the first 15 or 60 days after launch.


Not a concern at all. You still have 15% of 2 billion coins released compared to significantly less than that
hero member
Activity: 966
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Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
for Syscoin, destroying or not doesn't make any difference.

Please elaborate.

Mining Reward Schedule
Cumulative Days       Days @ Reward Level       Ends @ Blockheight       Block Reward
15   15   21600   1024
60   45   64800   768
240   180   280800   512
510   270   669600   384
875   365   1195200   256
Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached.

Since this schedule is set. By destroying the unsold coins, you only shorten the period of "Rewards are 128 per block after height 1195200, until the 2bil coins is reached." while is not our concern.
As dzarmush pointed out, we should be concerned about the first 15 or 60 days after launch.
legendary
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I did some math from miners anlge.

In the first 15 days 22,118,400 will be mined. What are chances that miners won't sell it below 102,85056 BTC for all 22M?
member
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The Blockchain is the Future!
Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
for Syscoin, destroying or not doesn't make any difference.

Please elaborate.

I was also wondering what exactly happens with the unsold presale coins. Since they will be mined, they will already exist somewhere and consist of a high value.

That would be nice to explain..

Thanks!
newbie
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Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
for Syscoin, destroying or not doesn't make any difference.

Please elaborate.
hero member
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Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
for Syscoin, destroying or not doesn't make any difference.
sr. member
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Crypto enthusiast
Not sure whether this option has been raised or discussed earlier with regard to the presale potentially not selling out have you considered destroying the the unsold coins instead of returning them to the pool of un-mined coins? Lots of other IPO/ICOs have gone down this route. It does protect the early investor somewhat as in theory the value of each coin they purchased is valued more in this scenario.
legendary
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Syscoin- Changing the way people do business.
1) Will this technology be open sourced at launch?

The plan is to open source it for sure, might not be immediately at launch. We may delay open sourcing the code so that we keep our first-mover advantage. We're of course completely open to the code being peer-reviewed by a mutually agreed upon third party at launch so that it can be verified the rewards are as stated / no hidden blocks / etc. At the same time we read twitter- we can clearly see pump/dump groups already talking about taking our code and cloning it for their own terrible reasons and we don't support this kind of clone, pump, dump stuff.

We do fully support the open source community so this will definitely be open sourced- the question is when and I don't have an immediate answer right now.

2) Merge Miners have the tendency to dump the coins that they are given...because they are mining Litecoin or something and any additional coin they get is a free gift to get more Litecoin in my example. What can we do to discourage this?

Not sure this really needs to be discouraged - coins need to be generated and released onto the market and that's what miners do; I can't think of any fundamental reason why you should want or need miners to keep hold of the coins they generate. I just hope they set the difficulty right so that the coins are released onto the market at a pace which demand can keep up with. If I remember correctly we're waiting on an update about that.

You both raise valid points. We are taking into consideration this can be mined alongside any other Scrypt coin [merge-mined] and thus there will most likely be MORE Syscoin on the market than you would expect from a normal reward schedule because its literally being mined all the time, on top of whatever the current "hot" Scrypt coin of the moment. This is actually a good thing for the Syscoin network in that it will have an enormous hashrate and will be very stable for the types of financial services we want to decentralize. At the same time we recognize some of the pitfalls that come with merged mining and to @profitofthegods point we are changing the reward schedule to significantly reduce the amount of coins introduced to the market across the entire schedule. Also, Syscoin has regenerated service fees for miners that will accrue on top of the reward for a given block and the revised schedule accounts for this more accurately.

This update will be finalized and public tomorrow night, we were trying to get it out tonight but couldn't get everyone together in time, expect a big update in this regard tomorrow evening (team is meeting at 9pm GMT-5 for those setting their clocks, 60min mtg).
sr. member
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2) Merge Miners have the tendency to dump the coins that they are given...because they are mining Litecoin or something and any additional coin they get is a free gift to get more Litecoin in my example. What can we do to discourage this?

Not sure this really needs to be discouraged - coins need to be generated and released onto the market and that's what miners do; I can't think of any fundamental reason why you should want or need miners to keep hold of the coins they generate. I just hope they set the difficulty right so that the coins are released onto the market at a pace which demand can keep up with. If I remember correctly we're waiting on an update about that.
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1) Will this technology be open sourced at launch?

2) Merge Miners have the tendency to dump the coins that they are given...because they are mining Litecoin or something and any additional coin they get is a free gift to get more Litecoin in my example. What can we do to discourage this?
legendary
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Syscoin- Changing the way people do business.
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Sorry I missed this one! YES you are 100% right and ESCROW is the next big feature we're already working on figuring out....

Apologies if I missed it but couldn't this involve some kind of multi-signature approach?  I think block cypher already have this in place so it shouldn't be too difficult to implement into SYS as a first step towards ESCROW.

Yes to my knowledge it would but again I think this would depend on the implementation. I'd think the "proper" implementation would leverage a multisig approach as you identified which will definitely be something we investigate. I'm trying to avoid making misstatements about features we are currently working on/in the R&D phase. We may have more news on this feature before launch, but I would definitely say escrow is something we're targeting for the next Syscoin release / won't be part of the initial release on Aug16 [or sooner!].

I'm glad to see people supporting the escrow feature! Internally we debated "escrow vs. anon tx" but ultimately decided to push escrow first. While anon tx is definitely valuable and something we're not against implementing/adding we feel like every other altcoin team under the sun is working on this. Rather than recreate the wheel we're shooting for new functionality (escrow) and that escrow functionality naturally fits with our core feature set and further helps facilitate business in the context of the core demographic we'd like to really adopt+use Syscoin [large financial services and systems].
legendary
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Sorry I missed this one! YES you are 100% right and ESCROW is the next big feature we're already working on figuring out....

Apologies if I missed it but couldn't this involve some kind of multi-signature approach?  I think block cypher already have this in place so it shouldn't be too difficult to implement into SYS as a first step towards ESCROW.
legendary
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Syscoin- Changing the way people do business.
Interesting stuff. Not sure if this has been covered elsewhere but anyway - one of the issues with decentralized marketplaces is going to be scammers, because there is no central authority to impose rules on refunds etc and make sure everyone is playing fair. What solutions do you see for this - will it be a reputation based system and if so how do you envision reputation being managed / assessed or are you leaving that entirely up to third parties building on top of Syscoin?

Sorry I missed this one! YES you are 100% right and ESCROW is the next big feature we're already working on figuring out. This isn't an easy problem but we've been kicking around ideas for a few weeks. This is the very first thing we're trying to implement after launch. I don't want to speak to the implementation right now since its still very much being discussed, everything from masternode like implementations to other solutions so I don't want to say we'll do it this way or that way yet since I'm not really sure at this moment. I can just say that we see escrow as the next big feature and a natural fit with the other services we're rolling out at launch. Great insight Wink
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