[ANN] Syscoin - Business on the Blockchain - LAUNCHED! - page 74.

niothor

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in defi we trust

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 20, 2014, 05:23:53 AM

Quote from: awais3344 on August 20, 2014, 05:16:37 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 05:03:49 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 20, 2014, 04:55:52 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Deliver and function. There is no talk about the price in this.
Now . we have two possibilities right:

1) the coin is not delivering the promise , a refund should be issued and it has nothing to do with buy walls. And if it's shit buy walls won't help it.

2) the coin was delivered with the features then there would be no refund and the coin is on it's own

PS.
About the so much talked features.
In github I've seen a few pull requests from saffron coin. Quite interesting that both coins where launched on the same day and both have this decentralized market in the blockchain feature...

Somebody double checking this? I'm in no mood for detective work at this hour...

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

i have invested in this coin. but truth is truth

+1. I agree with awais3344, even moolah said they would refund if the coin doesn't function well, how you guys(mothermole1, niothor) ignore the truths, and said refund is not needed?

You guys don't wanna the refund because you sold high? You know other investors' feelings? NO

Where did I say it's not needed?
I said that currently there are two possibilities. That after 48 or god knows how many hours the dev come with a solid coin or not.

But , again even if and even if not there is nothing in this about buy walls. And buy walls won't help this coin that was may point.

I'm more concerned with this:
https://github.com/syscoin/syscoin/graphs/contributors
Like a rush to fix it in the last days after nothing has been done for months.

mothermole1

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Quote from: Qiuyue201 on August 20, 2014, 05:24:47 AM

This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

Show me. In writing. Where it says. All that crap you're claiming.
Where are the god damn written contracts that claim full refund if your are dissatisfied?
Where?

Can't find it? It's cause you, and others made it up in your heads. You sheeple TOLD each other that it was the agreement, not actually what the agreement was set down by Moolah.

Show me the WRITTEN PROOF of your assertions.

john312

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Give us our BTC back!

The terms of ICO were not met!
This is beyond discussion.

Coin failed to launch properly. I agree, none of us agreed on 48 h deadline.
We deserve our money back. Don't be greedy!

chromosoma

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I just mine and hope we will see something similar to DRK or CLOAK. Sudden rise to x20 of previous price.

Qiuyue201

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This is just silly.
There was ICO agreement - terms of this agreement were not met, the BTC should be refunded.
You can't change the rules later in the game.
I as an investor didn't agree on any 48 hours deadline.
Syscoin launched incorrectly, I want my money back.
This is not something that we should discuss - that was the agreement. They released not fully functional product.

MOOLAH, stick to your word, give us our mony back!

Devs, sitting on those BTC won't help you. You are not acting to fix your main issue - lack of trust in the community.
Give people they BTC back and only then you might be able to recover.

Utter failure + deleting posts. WTF?

fox19891989

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Quote from: awais3344 on August 20, 2014, 05:16:37 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 05:03:49 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 20, 2014, 04:55:52 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Deliver and function. There is no talk about the price in this.
Now . we have two possibilities right:

1) the coin is not delivering the promise , a refund should be issued and it has nothing to do with buy walls. And if it's shit buy walls won't help it.

2) the coin was delivered with the features then there would be no refund and the coin is on it's own

PS.
About the so much talked features.
In github I've seen a few pull requests from saffron coin. Quite interesting that both coins where launched on the same day and both have this decentralized market in the blockchain feature...

Somebody double checking this? I'm in no mood for detective work at this hour...

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

i have invested in this coin. but truth is truth

+1. I agree with awais3344, even moolah said they would refund if the coin doesn't function well, how you guys(mothermole1, niothor) ignore the truths, and said refund is not needed?

You guys don't wanna the refund because you sold high? You know other investors' feelings? NO

Concentrend

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Quote from: brookefinancial on August 20, 2014, 04:36:52 AM

Quote from: Concentrend on August 20, 2014, 04:35:40 AM

What was the price for the early phase presale?

460-540sat something like that

https://moolah.io/syscoin

Thank you.

So this is why early investors ask for those buywalls at 465 or 518 sat.

So sheeple, er i mean, ico investors are dumb enough to panicsell and take a loss, but who started the panic? Either a whale trying to suppress the price, or the devs with their 60'000'000 - 80'000'000 coins. Miners could have started the panic but only around 500'000 coins have been mined.

Or the Devs are simply dumping 1% of their premine, so even if we landed in a parallel universe and moolah returns the btc to the investors they would have still made around 100 to 200 btc which is not bad for a few months work, if even that long, creating graphics and copying code and such. Well done.

Or do the POD thing and provide real transparency by providing the address of the other 1% premine Wink

Pmalek

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Quote from: prix on August 19, 2014, 09:32:47 PM

Devs
I think we need in long term:
1) messages;
2) ability to attach message to the purchase (when we accept offer);
3) auctions.

In short term we need error fixing and buy support.
I sure best decision - set buy wall lower then the first stage price.
About 420-450. If someone lost his faith - he can go out with small loses.
And I think it's better to destroy coins from this wall.
It's decrease supply and so calm investors.
Sorry guys, but you make two main errors:
1) go to sleep after launch (you should postponed launch if you can't control it);
2) don't make beta test with volunteers.

I agree 100% with all of this!

sdersdf2

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Quote from: awais3344 on August 20, 2014, 05:16:37 AM

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

+1

And these are just the bugs you know about.... A management shake-up that puts new hard-core C++ guys with street cred in charge would give the market a lot more confidence.

awais3344

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Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 05:03:49 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 20, 2014, 04:55:52 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Deliver and function. There is no talk about the price in this.
Now . we have two possibilities right:

1) the coin is not delivering the promise , a refund should be issued and it has nothing to do with buy walls. And if it's shit buy walls won't help it.

2) the coin was delivered with the features then there would be no refund and the coin is on it's own

PS.
About the so much talked features.
In github I've seen a few pull requests from saffron coin. Quite interesting that both coins where launched on the same day and both have this decentralized market in the blockchain feature...

Somebody double checking this? I'm in no mood for detective work at this hour...

the coins launch time was delayed. then it was forkedtwice. the best hing was moolah should have allowed a refund when the coin did not work at the first time. after two forks. wallet still has to be restarted. and blockchain data deleted before it works again. seriously? should we just acceptthis wallet is functional? search buttons arent working on alias. sometimes marketplace disappears. fuck even the copy features arent working in the wallet. its a total disaster. but we are trusting devs to deliver what was pomised. now if they didnt moolah said they will allow more 48 hours to devs. are those 48 hours over now right?

i have invested in this coin. but truth is truth

Wafel16

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Syscoin is growing, I have heard this name many times now

mothermole1

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Quote from: trythisnow on August 20, 2014, 04:57:57 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

Ok another of moronic posts on this thread. 1. show me an ICO of these KNOWN SCAMS which reached 1500 BTC? Answer is none. So the amount at stake is huge.
2. Trust in the ICO was based on moolah' rep and devs promise of a refund if working product is not delivered. That's is why it sold 1500 BTC. Go check another ICOs running right now. Some barely make past 10-20 BTC. Ones hosted on C-CEX/BITTREX etc are touching 100 BTC with effort.

Now there are bound to be comparison with CRYPTI which raised 750 BTC too. But, the price of IPO was super cheap and ICO investors could dump their coins without loss if they were not agreeable to the term of delay.
SYSCOIN had a pricey IPO and then delayed their launch. People buying are stuck and saying shit like NO REFUND or THERE ARE OTHER KNOWN SCAMS is not going to help anyone. Just refund or put a buy wall and let people exit.

I'll address your points.
1. I'm talking about crypto in general. Refunds are just not part of the landscape. You buy, you take the risk. I know of no other ICO close to as large as SYS.
2. Again, the trust in Moolah should be taken as is. He promised to buy back if nothing was delivered to his terms. Read the fineprint HIS terms. Not yours, not mine, HIS. He set the deadline and what counted as an acceptable level of wallet status. It will reach that and the ICO will be released. People may have mis-interpreted Moolah to mean, if you're not 100% happy with your purchase at any time in the future irregardless of what happens, he will buyback your portion of the ICO. He never claimed such a thing. B uy walls, refunds, they all mean that people can exit without being responsible FOR THEIR OWN RISK.
Moolah and Sys devs are not beholden to anyone who makes a claim after they signed the agreement of the ICO.

The price WILL go down. People are angry. Devs made a fumble. But again, the risk was the shareholder's to bear. I for one am holding my coins as I believe this coin will last.

fox19891989

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Quote from: trythisnow on August 20, 2014, 04:57:57 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

Ok another of moronic posts on this thread. 1. show me an ICO of these KNOWN SCAMS which reached 1500 BTC? Answer is none. So the amount at stake is huge.
2. Trust in the ICO was based on moolah' rep and devs promise of a refund if working product is not delivered. That's is why it sold 1500 BTC. Go check another ICOs running right now. Some barely make past 10-20 BTC. Ones hosted on C-CEX/BITTREX etc are touching 100 BTC with effort.

Now there are bound to be comparison with CRYPTI which raised 750 BTC too. But, the price of IPO was super cheap and ICO investors could dump their coins without loss if they were not agreeable to the term of delay.
SYSCOIN had a pricey IPO and then delayed their launch. People buying are stuck and saying shit like NO REFUND or THERE ARE OTHER KNOWN SCAMS is not going to help anyone. Just refund or put a buy wall and let people exit.

TOTALLY agree with you

niothor

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 20, 2014, 04:55:52 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Deliver and function. There is no talk about the price in this.
Now . we have two possibilities right:

1) the coin is not delivering the promise , a refund should be issued and it has nothing to do with buy walls. And if it's shit buy walls won't help it.

2) the coin was delivered with the features then there would be no refund and the coin is on it's own

PS.
About the so much talked features.
In github I've seen a few pull requests from saffron coin. Quite interesting that both coins where launched on the same day and both have this decentralized market in the blockchain feature...

Somebody double checking this? I'm in no mood for detective work at this hour...

profitofthegods

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Quote from: Skydog on August 20, 2014, 04:53:49 AM

I feel like the average age in this thread is 17.

Age? Don't you mean IQ?

Seriously though, when they agreed to market manipulation during the IPO (setting their own buy walls) they got lots of interest from pump and dumpers who bought up loads of coins in the IPO thinking it was the perfect opportunity to try to pump on launch and dump straight away because they couldn't lose money if they could sell back to the devs at IPO price. Sure that meant the IPO sold out, but now this hasn't worked for the pump and dumpers because of a few delays, so we are left with a thread full of idiots doing their usual trolling. The fact is, if you engage in dodgy business practices, you get yourself involved with dodgy people.

thetruth123123

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Quote from: albertdros on August 20, 2014, 04:57:34 AM

said it before and I'm going to say it again

How is a buy wall going to save this coin?

Everyone needs to stop talking about those stupid buywalls here. A buy wall is not going to save any coin if it's shit. Investors took a risk and should not be protected by buywalls in the first place. I can't even believe the sys devs started talking about it themselves and even agreeing to do it! This was already a huge red flag to me and 1 of the reasons I did not invest in this coin.

STOP TALKING ABOUT BUY WALLS

How about you all start talking about a real solution instead of an exit point. Wasn't moolah going to refund anyway in case of a huge failure?

No one cares about the coin, people just want theit Bitcoin back.

trythisnow

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Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

Ok another of moronic posts on this thread. 1. show me an ICO of these KNOWN SCAMS which reached 1500 BTC? Answer is none. So the amount at stake is huge.
2. Trust in the ICO was based on moolah' rep and devs promise of a refund if working product is not delivered. That's is why it sold 1500 BTC. Go check another ICOs running right now. Some barely make past 10-20 BTC. Ones hosted on C-CEX/BITTREX etc are touching 100 BTC with effort.

Now there are bound to be comparison with CRYPTI which raised 750 BTC too. But, the price of IPO was super cheap and ICO investors could dump their coins without loss if they were not agreeable to the term of delay.
SYSCOIN had a pricey IPO and then delayed their launch. People buying are stuck and saying shit like NO REFUND or THERE ARE OTHER KNOWN SCAMS is not going to help anyone. Just refund or put a buy wall and let people exit.

michaelb87

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 20, 2014, 04:55:52 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

Well that is awesome. I sold for 800 satoshi but if I buy back the amount I invested (now below ICO price) I can just return them to Moolah tomorrow and make a profit? This coin gets better by the day Grin

(for all the wrong reasons)

mothermole1

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 20, 2014, 04:55:52 AM

Quote from: mothermole1 on August 20, 2014, 04:46:41 AM

Quote from: niothor on August 20, 2014, 04:42:50 AM

Let me make a short summary out of this.
1) We had faith in this coin as a moneymaker
2) We invested in this because this was a sure bet we either get satoshi rich or we get back the money
3) Somebody put some damn walls so we can sell and retrieve the investment
4) It seems we bet on the wrong horse now but we still want our money back

You were right , that is no FUD , it's a child crying after he lost his marbles.

Agreed. I see absolutely no reason to give a refund. No other crypto refunds and they have been KNOWN SCAMS. This coin is not a scam, the ICO was final. Deal with it and start spreading good vibes about SYS. Cause there ai'nt no other way you're getting back an ROI otherwise.

But moolah is escrow and said if the coin doesn't deliver & function well, they will refund investors, so your point are wrong. PPL trust Moolah and Mintpal, so they dare invest this coin

I see no reason why now, people should be asking for a refund. They're gonna meet the deadline and pass muster. The wallet works. The network works. People got what they paid for. No promises of hiccup free launch. People should take responsibility for their own buying decisions on an unknown currency

albertdros

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said it before and I'm going to say it again

How is a buy wall going to save this coin?

Everyone needs to stop talking about those stupid buywalls here. A buy wall is not going to save any coin if it's shit. Investors took a risk and should not be protected by buywalls in the first place. I can't even believe the sys devs started talking about it themselves and even agreeing to do it! This was already a huge red flag to me and 1 of the reasons I did not invest in this coin.

STOP TALKING ABOUT BUY WALLS

How about you all start talking about a real solution instead of an exit point. Wasn't moolah going to refund anyway in case of a huge failure?

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