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Topic: [ANN] Syscoin- FINAL 2.0 LAUNCHED! *ENCRYPTION, MARKETPLACE, BTC INTEGRATION* - page 102. (Read 582967 times)

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ok its basically delayed until next monday so that the court can get more information on the conversion from BTC to fiat. Feel free to post that on the forum- judge has adjourned the hearing until next Monday
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COol news.

Whatever it takes to get that crap sorted out and us SYS holders valuation increased back to AT LEAST IPO level.............................and more!

IPO level? Sys's sights are set much higher than that!!!!!!
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COol news.

Whatever it takes to get that crap sorted out and us SYS holders valuation increased back to AT LEAST IPO level.............................and more!
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#syscoin IRC for the fastest information Smiley
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anyone know what happened in court today?Huh

There was another appearance ?
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anyone know what happened in court today?Huh
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Bitcoin is to money what the internet was to media
Every coin nowadays is talking about a marketplace, syscoin is actually doing it. Every coin wants to gloat about their community, compare their IRC channels to ours. Out of the blue we all decided to chat via skype more privately for a bit and before we knew it we had about 10+ people all conversing on the future implications of syscoin and aligning our visions.

Syscoin doesnt just have its own reputation to be concerned with, but also the frustrations of the entire crypto community. This is why everyone is so quick to jump to conclusions and try to call out a scam. That's not going to happen here. Syscoin has an unstoppable dev team, and as of recently has a strong, active and supportive community of professionals.
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They are just so used to being fed koolaid they do not know how to look for real innovation them self. Let the work speak for itself, no need for smoke and mirrors here.

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Your investors are biting an already bloody tongue.  Been to the exchange lately?  Tunnel vision is not the answer.  sphericon hammered out an app over a few days, something your "TEAMS" familiarity with your code could have done in hours.

Yes i  did and it is far from perfect. I have been talking to danosphere about syscoin and I support him and the team 100%. They are doing as much as possible to get everything running. You guys need to relax. Lots of great things are ahead in the near future.

I have personally seen something on irc in the last 8 hours that will blow the entire crypto community away once the dev finishes testing. If you don't believe in syscoin at this point you are a damn fool. Sell me your syscoin.

Perfect can't be built unless you know the entire story.  Sphericon, I hold no grudge against you, your intentions are golden with me. 

Well thanks for that. You know I am just trying to do right by this coin. I also truly believe in it as an entity that has the ability to really change the crypto landscape. In time others will come around to this way of thinking as well.
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Your investors are biting an already bloody tongue.  Been to the exchange lately?  Tunnel vision is not the answer.  sphericon hammered out an app over a few days, something your "TEAMS" familiarity with your code could have done in hours.

Yes i  did and it is far from perfect. I have been talking to danosphere about syscoin and I support him and the team 100%. They are doing as much as possible to get everything running. You guys need to relax. Lots of great things are ahead in the near future.

I have personally seen something on irc in the last 8 hours that will blow the entire crypto community away once the dev finishes testing. If you don't believe in syscoin at this point you are a damn fool. Sell me your syscoin.

HA.....I'm sorry but I love this post:-)
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Your investors are biting an already bloody tongue.  Been to the exchange lately?  Tunnel vision is not the answer.  sphericon hammered out an app over a few days, something your "TEAMS" familiarity with your code could have done in hours.

Yes i  did and it is far from perfect. I have been talking to danosphere about syscoin and I support him and the team 100%. They are doing as much as possible to get everything running. You guys need to relax. Lots of great things are ahead in the near future.

I have personally seen something on irc in the last 8 hours that will blow the entire crypto community away once the dev finishes testing. If you don't believe in syscoin at this point you are a damn fool. Sell me your syscoin.

Perfect can't be built unless you know the entire story.  Sphericon, I hold no grudge against you, your intentions are golden with me. 
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Your investors are biting an already bloody tongue.  Been to the exchange lately?  Tunnel vision is not the answer.  sphericon hammered out an app over a few days, something your "TEAMS" familiarity with your code could have done in hours.

Yes i  did and it is far from perfect. I have been talking to danosphere about syscoin and I support him and the team 100%. They are doing as much as possible to get everything running. You guys need to relax. Lots of great things are ahead in the near future.

I have personally seen something on irc in the last 8 hours that will blow the entire crypto community away once the dev finishes testing. If you don't believe in syscoin at this point you are a damn fool. Sell me your syscoin.
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Thanks for the continued support we will update with the progress that's been made over the past week and the testing of new features. Sundays are always an 'update' day for the syscoin team, as for the comments in relation to ' don't give up ' etc they won't be addressed as we have stated a thousand times within this thread, no one is giving up.

Thanks all, speak soon.


 what on earth makes people think we are giving up?

Your investors are biting an already bloody tongue.  Been to the exchange lately?  Tunnel vision is not the answer.  sphericon hammered out an app over a few days, something your "TEAMS" familiarity with your code could have done in hours.
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where is the app?

Do you know what the app is? Danosphere just posted about the release today, did you read that?
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The ability to tie in the purchase transaction is key.. the transaction has to be one that you made and hasn't had feedback yet... then you can give feedback after an order has been made at any time in the future.

I agree with this. The challenge I see is that the marketplace and the data elements are in no way connected other than the blockchain.  AFAIK there is currently no method in place in the Syscoin code which allows a user to post related elements (e.g. a data alias tied to a marketplace transaction).  This may need to be added into the core code to be enforceable.


The cool thing I did with aliases is.. if you type in a syscoin address to search it will also search it as an alias if that syscoin address isn't valid. If the address is valid it assumes that is what you want to search. This is for any command that takes in a syscoin address(alias is also valid in any of these cases).. so it doesn't even matter if you use aliases or addresses technically but its better to follow convention and using aliases is probably more usable for a search feature like this.

Usually ppl using our services would have an alias registered. We should make the language as such to sway people to use aliases everywhere.

I'm curious about what you did with aliases. Did you have a specific website or product available that utilizes them? I'm just trying to figure out how everyone is using the various features of Syscoin. My next foray will be into certificates, to see what they are about and think up ways to use them.
I enhanced cbitcoinaddress to understand aliases.. it checks if the sys addy is valid if not checks if its an alias instead and set the address based on that.

This class is used everywhere a pub address is used, all of the rpc commands use it.
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I agree with this. The challenge I see is that the marketplace and the data elements are in no way connected other than the blockchain.  AFAIK there is currently no method in place in the Syscoin code which allows a user to post related elements (e.g. a data alias tied to a marketplace transaction).  This may need to be added into the core code to be enforceable.

There may be an indirect method. It would have to be programmed into the user interface. First, search the blockchain for the alias, and this returns the value (the syscoin address). Second, search the blockchain for transactions with that address as the seller (not sure if offerinfo would be the command, it might be a sequence of commands).
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The ability to tie in the purchase transaction is key.. the transaction has to be one that you made and hasn't had feedback yet... then you can give feedback after an order has been made at any time in the future.

I agree with this. The challenge I see is that the marketplace and the data elements are in no way connected other than the blockchain.  AFAIK there is currently no method in place in the Syscoin code which allows a user to post related elements (e.g. a data alias tied to a marketplace transaction).  This may need to be added into the core code to be enforceable.


The cool thing I did with aliases is.. if you type in a syscoin address to search it will also search it as an alias if that syscoin address isn't valid. If the address is valid it assumes that is what you want to search. This is for any command that takes in a syscoin address(alias is also valid in any of these cases).. so it doesn't even matter if you use aliases or addresses technically but its better to follow convention and using aliases is probably more usable for a search feature like this.

Usually ppl using our services would have an alias registered. We should make the language as such to sway people to use aliases everywhere.

I'm curious about what you did with aliases. Did you have a specific website or product available that utilizes them? I'm just trying to figure out how everyone is using the various features of Syscoin. My next foray will be into certificates, to see what they are about and think up ways to use them.
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Syscoin- Changing the way people do business.
Thanks for the continued support we will update with the progress that's been made over the past week and the testing of new features. Sundays are always an 'update' day for the syscoin team, as for the comments in relation to ' don't give up ' etc they won't be addressed as we have stated a thousand times within this thread, no one is giving up.

Thanks all, speak soon.


Excellent statement Michael. We just released Syscoin 0.1.5.1 last week- what on earth makes people think we are giving up? We're growing, we're getting more community involved, no one is giving up. Core dev members have been stuck doing things required for our legal battle and to that end we appreciate the community devs who've stepped up to help.

The team will be publishing the results of that work this week- we created a purpose-built tool to analyze the Syscoin Escrow ledger transactions and "follow the coin" to determine if the fund loss was truly due to a "bug which allowed users to double withdrawal their actual balance" or not. I feel the community will find the results of this analysis very "telling". We will wait until a third part expert has verified the analysis before making it public. It has taken a lot of work, but it is a critical piece of evidence supporting our claim that the funds were not lost due to a bug.

The Android app is due to be released today- remember this is an app that was rewritten from the ground up by a professional Android dev and not just a reused version of the same template you see everywhere else. This should be ready to go today, we are getting in touch with the dev to verify its ready, test all the functionality ourselves and then release it to the public here and via the Google Play store. If there are any issues with that we'll let you know!

Winding up hearing is tomorrow too (in court)! We are busy as hell! Also I'm lovin the discussion going on re: ratings system using SYS data service! Keep the evolution going! I'll join the fray soon as my forensic report is completed  Grin
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Why not put the Syscoin Marketplace ranking system right on the Syscoin blockchain using data aliases?  

Syscoin data aliases  have some unique and powerful features. Data on the blockchain is essentially “broadcast” to the entire network in one confirmation, with the “dataupdate” command in the console, and viewable by all using the “datainfo” command.

Yet control of the data is restricted to one syscoin address at a time.

This makes for some potentially elegant solutions to some thorny problems, such as this one - how to publicly rank merchants in the marketplace, but authenticate the data and prevent spam.

Let us say I purchase a widget from sphericon and want to submit a ranking of that transaction. I can update my ranking data alias (lets call it “my_reviews”) with the buyer’s and seller’s addressees, the transaction ID, and my ranking score for that transaction.  This is done right in the marketplace client. If a sufficient number of buyers did this after each purchase, the client would be able to query the blockchain to both authenticate the validity of the scores submitted, and display the score next to the seller in the client.

So I think it makes perfect sense to store a ranking for a particular user in the blockchain using the Syscoin alias system.  We could come up with some custom properties in the data alias (AKA "seller profile") that could be referenced in other data aliases (AKA "user review"), not unlike a SQL database join. This could either be programmed into the marketplace or could be implemented into the Syscoin wallet at some point like you were suggesting.

The other option would be to create a website that allows users to rate specific addresses (sellers) like yelp. The problem would be that this data is centralized and therefore could be tampered with.

The truly honest solution would be to store any ratings in the blockchain. You would potentially get the problem of spam/defamation, but with a small cost of SYS to post, you could eliminate any large amount of spam.


My Proposal:

Buy an item, and then after receiving, create a new data alias:
Code:
syscoind datanew "/rating/[syscoin address or alias of seller]/[transaction of purchase]/[positive or negative boolean value]"

This would be part of the "rating" dataset, and would reference both the seller's Syscoin address/alias as well as the transaction of the specific accepted purchase. There should only be a way to rate a seller on an item that the user has actually purchased. The rating would be a "good" or "bad" value, stored as 'true/false' in the data alias name.

After creation, the user could attach data to this rating:

Code:
syscoind dataactivate < dataName > < guid > [ < txid > ] < filename > < data >


The key part here is the "data" portion. this can store a base64-encoded chunk of data with a maximum size of 256kB. I'm thinking this could be used for a low-resolution picture, either showing a picture of the item with a hand drawn username or some other proof that this is a legit transaction. This would be optional of course, but could serve to further validate the seller as well as buyer. Additionally, if this "data" element was further encoded, we could split it out into multiple pieces of information, such as a picture and a comment.

Once this has been completed, a user or application could simply query the data aliases on the blockchain using the datafilter command:

Code:
syscoind datafilter < regexp >

The regex could look for anything with the "/rating/address" chunk in the name and then do some sort of percent calculation of feedback, as well as return a list of comments associated with the data.  This could then be used to show ratings for a user in a completely distributed fashion. Clearly the code is too complex to be used by your average user to actually rate a user, but an app could be developed to handle the back-end stuff. A full list of the data commands is here if people are interested in researching further/other methods to do this.

Thoughts?

I like it... but you probably want a neutral position if they aren't positive or negative.. which won't weigh the overall, a positive would be +1 and a negative would be -1 which we can add/subtract to get final feedback.

The ability to tie in the purchase transaction is key.. the transaction has to be one that you made and hasn't had feedback yet... then you can give feedback after an order has been made at any time in the future.

The cool thing I did with aliases is.. if you type in a syscoin address to search it will also search it as an alias if that syscoin address isn't valid. If the address is valid it assumes that is what you want to search. This is for any command that takes in a syscoin address(alias is also valid in any of these cases).. so it doesn't even matter if you use aliases or addresses technically but its better to follow convention and using aliases is probably more usable for a search feature like this.

Usually ppl using our services would have an alias registered. We should make the language as such to sway people to use aliases everywhere.
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