Topic: ⚡[ANN] TOKENPAY ⚡ SCAMMED 1 MILLION $ FROM BOUNTY AND REFERRAL PROGRAM ⚡ - page 59. (Read 60404 times)

As long as we're talking about 'data you can look up', there is some irony here, as others have also pointed out: SpectreCoin is itself an 'improved' version of ShadowCash, and was unpopular with the SDC community at the time of its first development (e.g., http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin#History). In that light, TokenPay's choice to copy both ShadowCash and SpectreCoin and develop a bigger vision (debit card, bank, etc.) may be shady, but it's definitely precedented.

At this point, as investors, the question is really which 'version' of SpectreCoin is more likely to succeed in the long term.

On the negative side, TokenPay copied code and may be less familiar with it for now. Until they 'make it their own', they will be less prepared to deal with problems as they arise. There is also concern about the integrity of a team that doesn't disclose all of this, and that deliberately ignores the two projects that are most similar to it (XSPEC and PIVX) in its comparison charts. On the positive side, TokenPay has an ambitious roadmap (debit card, bank, etc.) and claims to have a relatively large team, so IF the plan is truthful and IF they succeed in getting the project going, we have to acknowledge that there is real potential here. If it really is SpectreCoin but with more ambition and better marketing, then it may well be a worthwhile investment.

On the positive side, SpectreCoin (XSPEC) has more experience with the code, is currently better equipped to deal with problems that might arise, and has a longer-established plan. They are further along in their development. On the negative side, XSPEC has a less ambitious plan, raised relatively little in their ICO (i.e., development funds), and has shown less (so far, at least) interest in marketing themselves effectively.

So: do the potential strengths and ambitions of TokenPay outweigh the concerns, and do they support a price of > $5/token vs. < $0.40/token for XSPEC? If you believe that the value proposition of TokenPay is more than 10x greater than that of SpectreCoin, then this ICO is well worth considering. If not, then it isn't.

Go to the dashboard.  Enter the amount of BTC your going to send.  Click get  tpay button.  A new screen will give you the address to send to.  Once sent, click the confirm button.  All done....

This is ridiculous how easy it is to make a lot of money for nothing.

...just copy any existing project, put a bunch of marketing in and BÄM you will earn money on all these crypto newbs who are joining every day after BTC Hype....


Tokenpay is selling a cheap copy of Spectrecoin for 7$/coin !!!!!

Spectrecoin is 0.36$/coin and it is the source of this project.

 

This is no FUD its REAL Data you can look up.

So you make no effort to check the facts of a dispute, nor take into account the history and character of the individuals raising the objections (whether or not they have a history spreading FUD).

Let me know how that bury-your-head-in-the-sand approach to investing works out for you.

I always get a little disappointed when I see a "legendary" member misuse FUD.  Fear Uncertainty and Doubt are not what's being spread here.

1.  No reason to be afraid.  If you are aware of the disingenuous nature of a project and are fearless enough to take it head on with your wallet.  Go ahead.

2.  I'm quite certain now that this is a re brand of a current, and what I presume, is active wallet.  This group did nothing.  They took existing tech and dolled up some info graphics and are going to use marketing to sell something that's already awesome and cheap for a ridiculously high price.

3.  The only thing I doubt about this project is that they have done work on their own.

But I addressed my concerns with a representative above.  Hopefully Derek will get back with us on this.  Perhaps it's not what it appears to be and is just a coincidence.

Developers were even too lazy to change the design completely copied an already existing and evolving project Spectrecoin  . Clear from the outset that it is hard TOKENPAY Scam. It's a divorce people for money - beware!!!

Whenever I see fud on a project I start to buy more. But hey , thanks for this little storm.

Crazy price!

Good evening everyone! I was interested in this coin! Decided to join the subscription. Are you taking the girl into your ranks?

Comparing apples to oranges is easy.  They're both sweet.  One is citric.  One has an inedible skin. etc. 
Know what's really easy?  Comparing an apple to a picture of that same apple.  This is closer to what we are looking at, at this point.

 Look.

TokenPay's wallet is CLEARLY not a copy of the Shadowcash wallet and I'm fairly convinced at this point that people saying that it IS are being disingenuous.  I'm going to make a precautionary post because this is something that should be noted in the community.

True that the wallet app of Tokenpay looks similar to that of Shadowcoin. However it looks exactly the same as that of Spectrecoin. Is that not suspicious?!

SpectreCoin also acknowledges that "SpectreCoin was created in 2016 to improve on the concept of ShadowCash (SDC)." See at http://coinwiki.info/en/SpectreCoin#History

And how is that SpectreCoin has no team? There are a number of indications suggesting that it's not only that they exist, but they have developed the wallet suddenly also used to store TPAY coins! It is a valid point that the marketing of SpectreCoin needs to get boosted a lot. I believe, this will also come soon enough, it is on the short term agenda of the team. So far they have been busy developing their own product first.

Modifications made to the menu side of the wallet on Tokenpay were made by Spectrecoin team and are not the same in the Shadowcash wallet. This strongly suggests to me that Tokenpay used the Spectrecoin code as their base, not the Shadowcash code.

I advise everyone to be vigilant

This project is SCAM!!!

The UI is open source from Shadowcoin. Is Spectrecoin trying to take credit for this? TokenPay already acknowledges this in their whitepaper.

TokenPay has Sunerok the lead developer of Verge and are well known internet entrepreneurs heavily connected to every major online industry where a coin like this is designed to be used.

Lets face it, Spectrecoin has nobody. No team, no backing, no marketing ability. It will never go anywhere.

I spoke to the CEO of TokenPay yesterday and they are already designing a new wallet UI and making massive tech improvements. They released the Android app yesterday and are developing an iOS.

Look guys, it is apples and oranges to compare TokenPay to Spectrecoin.

Hello Derek. 
I was interested in Tokenpay but have some questions after seeing this thread.  It does appear that Both SPECTRECOIN and TOKENPAY are forks of the same project.  That would explain the similar wallet, but there are some issues I have with your response.

1.  You state that TOKENPAY is more "transparent" than SPECTRECOIN.  What does this mean exactly?  If this is transparency as I understand transparency then I cannot see how this is of benefit to people who are interested in anonymity.  When it comes to government, yes I agree that transparency is the best, but when it comes to finances I would like my interactions to be similar to that of cash where only myself and the receiver are involved.  I do not want any tertiary parties viewing my transactions.

2.  I found that the Spectrecoin developers also had to do a lot of work on the wallet.  They said similar things about having to translate the code to another type of code or something... it's all Greek to me.  But at the moment they already have TOR integration up and running.  They also have a selective obfuscation program that allows for people in China and other TOR banned areas to still function under the network.  If you have these things then have you not copied the wallet directly?  Can you post the code so we can compare the current TOKENPAY code to the current SPECTRECOIN code to see how they compare?

3.  This really bothered me.  Because this is a non-issue.  It seems distractive and irrelevant in the conversation.  I'm curious as to why you added this as a point of interest in your response.

4.  Am I reading your mission right?  Do you wish to integrate with the banks?  This doesn't align with my personal interests.  I am a firm believer in the "satoshi code" that we shouldn't involve those massive entities in our finances.  I hope that I'm misunderstanding this.  This would be a serious deterrent in my investment.

5.  This is true.  But if you did copy the SPECTRECOIN wallet and then attempt to resell it at $6 dollars with good marketing, then I fear that the integrity that you tried to show in your third point was feigned.  After looking into Spectrecoin I'm astounded that more people haven't heard of it.  It's clear to me that you have money for decent marketing and it doesn't appear to be the same for Spectre.  I really hope you aren't hijacking a superior product and throwing a bit of cash into making it look pretty trying to resell it to the public for more.

I hope that you can quell these concerns of mine because right now with SPECTRECOIN at...   Wow.  It's at .00002033 BTC.  I was going to say it seems like a more sound investment as they are already ahead of you in wallet development, but at that price I'm just going to invest.  I can get 20 SPECTRECOIN for the same price as one of your tokens.  I

Ridiculous.

The truth is current code (they copied) has some bugs, which have been fixed mostly, and are to be released in 1.4 version of Spectrecoin wallet (it is complete rewrite of the GUI + many fixes.). The code upload to github will wait for awhile this time I presume , so will see what will they do about this. Maybe they will fix bugs on their own?

They are probably not even aware of these bugs.

LOL

Topic title should read 'Tokenpay (a copy) of the of the worlds most secure coin'

Interesting aspect you've put on the wall:)...Considering i've only requested a how to buy advice I still need it please (50-50 purchase is always good as time will say how the growth will be)

A compare between those two project will be interesting also(short one)

Thank you

Absolutely agree with you!
Spectrecoin XSPEC is a fully working product, has a strong community and is dynamically developing.
only a fool can buy it, smart investors will buy - Spectrecoin

Spectrecoin XSPEC - an excellent project.

Better to buy this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annspectrecoinxspec-torobfs4-ring-sig-stealth-2103301
It's cheaper and better.
TokenPay just a clon creating for hype.