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Quote from: cassius69 on July 27, 2014, 10:59:25 AM

whitesnake is a perfect name Grin

All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Grin

Banger

Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position.

Hey,

I do believe you're well intentioned WhiteNotWright, but sometimes you have a tendency to over exagerate. For example, while I do agree the wallet is way too late on delivery, WhiteCoin hasn't even existed for several months, we've been around about three now. The last wallet update was in May, and I think mindfox didn't want to just do an update with the logo on it, he wants to do more. A noble goal that has also presented us with some short term problems. I also think that's not fair or true about new investors, just look at what our Vice President has accomplished in that regard. Considering you've also openly admitted to trying to keep the price at 100 sat or below in the past (so your group can accumulate cheap), I also think that's not fair. We have made substantial technical improvements to whitecoin since the foundation took over. Some coins go much longer between wallet updates (look at potcoin, still successful despite low technical improvements).

That said, the reality is we do need these issues raised, they are important, and the purpose of the foundation is to keep us all accountable to eachother and the wider industry. You are 100% correct that the wallet should be out by now, and it's not, and that's an important issue to raise. But sometimes WNW you have a tendency to raise the alarm bells in a way that seems as though you're trying to convince people to leave our community, and I think that's where people (incorrectly) throw the FUD finger at you.

I'd encourage both you, and your detractors to give that some thought. We need alarms raised when there are problems. But we also need to all be working together to solve them. WhiteNotWright, would you commit to assisting and joining us on the operations side, even just as an advisor? Or perhaps be willing to (like many others), pony up a bit so we can get Mindfox the help he needs?

Best,

Chris

Fair enough and sorry for your unfortunate events. I will evaluate my approach and try to be a little more smooth in my stated concerns. Not sure I ever manipulated the price at 100, but often that is done as a part of normal traded which I do from time to time, when I see there are folks wanting to buy coin. I am getting ready to make another healthy purchase because I have faith in the coin and the community and new members are starting to show signs of progress. Maybe it's my fault for not getting that big "bump" in here that is needed, but to do that takes a lot of skin and not sure folks are ready to go balls deep without some type of timeline and deliverable. Also, someone mentioned how much is it going to take to get a DEV working on the coin full time with an attitude because they would have funds to do the work and a potential return on investment of the coin. I think if this accounting and work was all transparent, you would have no issue with funding.

I appreciate that man, I'm going to do the same. I know I've been too harsh with you at times and for that I apologize. I may have also misread some of your posts about the price. That is a really fair comment about having the skin to make that bump, it's something I've never felt comfortable asking our investors to do.

You're absolutely right about the accounting work. Previously I've said I think we should use all of the 90 day grace period provided by the government to operate before filing our finalized paperwork, but to facilitate more accountability I've been recently thinking we should speed and finalize that process. Combined with finally instituting the general assembly (I intend to work very hard to see that happen in August), I believe we'll have the framework in place to provide the necessary trust platform for substantial investment into the foundation and thus whitecoin. Most important for our current conversation, when we're in a voting assembly people won't be able to cry FUD against valid concerns. Anyone in attendance will be demonstrating they've put their money where there mouth is (so to speak).

I've come home from this trip with a renewed determination to see these projects completed so we can move into the next phases. I need to step offline for a bit but I'll reach out to you by tomorrow.

All the best,

Chris

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Quote from: WhiteNotWright on July 27, 2014, 12:32:05 PM

Quote from: mogonzo on July 27, 2014, 12:23:19 PM

Quote from: WhiteNotWright on July 27, 2014, 12:12:03 PM

Quote from: cassius69 on July 27, 2014, 10:59:25 AM

whitesnake is a perfect name Grin

All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Grin

Banger

Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position.

Hey,

I do believe you're well intentioned WhiteNotWright, but sometimes you have a tendency to over exagerate. For example, while I do agree the wallet is way too late on delivery, WhiteCoin hasn't even existed for several months, we've been around about three now. The last wallet update was in May, and I think mindfox didn't want to just do an update with the logo on it, he wants to do more. A noble goal that has also presented us with some short term problems. I also think that's not fair or true about new investors, just look at what our Vice President has accomplished in that regard. Considering you've also openly admitted to trying to keep the price at 100 sat or below in the past (so your group can accumulate cheap), I also think that's not fair. We have made substantial technical improvements to whitecoin since the foundation took over. Some coins go much longer between wallet updates (look at potcoin, still successful despite low technical improvements).

That said, the reality is we do need these issues raised, they are important, and the purpose of the foundation is to keep us all accountable to eachother and the wider industry. You are 100% correct that the wallet should be out by now, and it's not, and that's an important issue to raise. But sometimes WNW you have a tendency to raise the alarm bells in a way that seems as though you're trying to convince people to leave our community, and I think that's where people (incorrectly) throw the FUD finger at you.

I'd encourage both you, and your detractors to give that some thought. We need alarms raised when there are problems. But we also need to all be working together to solve them. WhiteNotWright, would you commit to assisting and joining us on the operations side, even just as an advisor? Or perhaps be willing to (like many others), pony up a bit so we can get Mindfox the help he needs?

Best,

Chris

Fair enough and sorry for your unfortunate events. I will evaluate my approach and try to be a little more smooth in my stated concerns. Not sure I ever manipulated the price at 100, but often that is done as a part of normal traded which I do from time to time, when I see there are folks wanting to buy coin. I am getting ready to make another healthy purchase because I have faith in the coin and the community and new members are starting to show signs of progress. Maybe it's my fault for not getting that big "bump" in here that is needed, but to do that takes a lot of skin and not sure folks are ready to go balls deep without some type of timeline and deliverable. Also, someone mentioned how much is it going to take to get a DEV working on the coin full time with an attitude because they would have funds to do the work and a potential return on investment of the coin. I think if this accounting and work was all transparent, you would have no issue with funding.

I appreciate that man, I'm going to do the same. I know I've been too harsh with you at times and for that I apologize. I may have also misread some of your posts about the price. That is a really fair comment about having the skin to make that bump, it's something I've never felt comfortable asking our investors to do.

You're absolutely right about the accounting work. Previously I've said I think we should use all of the 90 day grace period provided by the government to operate before filing our finalized paperwork, but to facilitate more accountability I've been recently thinking we should speed and finalize that process. Combined with finally instituting the general assembly (I intend to work very hard to see that happen in August), I believe we'll have the framework in place to provide the necessary trust platform for substantial investment into the foundation and thus whitecoin. Most important for our current conversation, when we're in a voting assembly people won't be able to cry FUD against valid concerns. Anyone in attendance will be demonstrating they've put their money where there mouth is (so to speak).

I've come home from this trip with a renewed determination to see these projects completed so we can move into the next phases. I need to step offline for a bit but I'll reach out to you by tomorrow.

All the best,

Chris

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Quote from: mogonzo on July 27, 2014, 12:23:19 PM

Quote from: WhiteNotWright on July 27, 2014, 12:12:03 PM

Quote from: cassius69 on July 27, 2014, 10:59:25 AM

whitesnake is a perfect name Grin

All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Grin

Banger

Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position.

Hey,

I do believe you're well intentioned WhiteNotWright, but sometimes you have a tendency to over exagerate. For example, while I do agree the wallet is way too late on delivery, WhiteCoin hasn't even existed for several months, we've been around about three now. The last wallet update was in May, and I think mindfox didn't want to just do an update with the logo on it, he wants to do more. A noble goal that has also presented us with some short term problems. I also think that's not fair or true about new investors, just look at what our Vice President has accomplished in that regard. Considering you've also openly admitted to trying to keep the price at 100 sat or below in the past (so your group can accumulate cheap), I also think that's not fair. We have made substantial technical improvements to whitecoin since the foundation took over. Some coins go much longer between wallet updates (look at potcoin, still successful despite low technical improvements).

That said, the reality is we do need these issues raised, they are important, and the purpose of the foundation is to keep us all accountable to eachother and the wider industry. You are 100% correct that the wallet should be out by now, and it's not, and that's an important issue to raise. But sometimes WNW you have a tendency to raise the alarm bells in a way that seems as though you're trying to convince people to leave our community, and I think that's where people (incorrectly) throw the FUD finger at you.

I'd encourage both you, and your detractors to give that some thought. We need alarms raised when there are problems. But we also need to all be working together to solve them. WhiteNotWright, would you commit to assisting and joining us on the operations side, even just as an advisor? Or perhaps be willing to (like many others), pony up a bit so we can get Mindfox the help he needs?

Best,

Chris

Fair enough and sorry for your unfortunate events. I will evaluate my approach and try to be a little more smooth in my stated concerns. Not sure I ever manipulated the price at 100, but often that is done as a part of normal traded which I do from time to time, when I see there are folks wanting to buy coin. I am getting ready to make another healthy purchase because I have faith in the coin and the community and new members are starting to show signs of progress. Maybe it's my fault for not getting that big "bump" in here that is needed, but to do that takes a lot of skin and not sure folks are ready to go balls deep without some type of timeline and deliverable. Also, someone mentioned how much is it going to take to get a DEV working on the coin full time with an attitude because they would have funds to do the work and a potential return on investment of the coin. I think if this accounting and work was all transparent, you would have no issue with funding.

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Quote from: WhiteNotWright on July 27, 2014, 12:12:03 PM

Quote from: cassius69 on July 27, 2014, 10:59:25 AM

whitesnake is a perfect name Grin

All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Grin

Banger

Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position.

Hey,

I do believe you're well intentioned WhiteNotWright, but sometimes you have a tendency to over exagerate. For example, while I do agree the wallet is way too late on delivery, WhiteCoin hasn't even existed for several months, we've been around about three now. The last wallet update was in May, and I think mindfox didn't want to just do an update with the logo on it, he wants to do more. A noble goal that has also presented us with some short term problems. I also think that's not fair or true about new investors, just look at what our Vice President has accomplished in that regard. Considering you've also openly admitted to trying to keep the price at 100 sat or below in the past (so your group can accumulate cheap), I also think that's not fair. We have made substantial technical improvements to whitecoin since the foundation took over. Some coins go much longer between wallet updates (look at potcoin, still successful despite low technical improvements).

That said, the reality is we do need these issues raised, they are important, and the purpose of the foundation is to keep us all accountable to eachother and the wider industry. You are 100% correct that the wallet should be out by now, and it's not, and that's an important issue to raise. But sometimes WNW you have a tendency to raise the alarm bells in a way that seems as though you're trying to convince people to leave our community, and I think that's where people (incorrectly) throw the FUD finger at you.

I'd encourage both you, and your detractors to give that some thought. We need alarms raised when there are problems. But we also need to all be working together to solve them. WhiteNotWright, would you commit to assisting and joining us on the operations side, even just as an advisor? Or perhaps be willing to (like many others), pony up a bit so we can get Mindfox the help he needs?

Best,

Chris

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Quote from: cassius69 on July 27, 2014, 10:59:25 AM

whitesnake is a perfect name Grin

All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Grin

Banger

Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position.

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Quote from: mogonzo on July 27, 2014, 11:48:52 AM

Quote from: Nexby on July 27, 2014, 11:43:53 AM

Quote from: mogonzo on July 27, 2014, 11:37:12 AM

Quote from: PatioCrasher on July 27, 2014, 10:48:32 AM

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Timeline & Roadmap

June 25th-29th: Commmunity discussion and planning
June 30th - July 3rd: Target window for Pre-Ann thread and website launches
July 5th - 8th: Target window for the launch of our IPO and official Ann thread
July 25th - 31st: Target window for launch of WhiteOutCoin

welcome back Mogonzo, i am sorry to here that.
but can you answers this please...
did i miss it? or did it fail befor it start? somebody know?

Hey Nexby,

Very fair question and thanks for the good wishes. In a later post we extended community discussion as the concept of a companion coin was not favourable to all of our investors and I also felt it was very healthy for us to do more brainstorming. Currently, I believe the discussion has turned away from doing a companion coin and integrating these features directly into WC. This will probably take us extra time to accomplish, and I'm hoping to have an update for everyone on that front in the next day or two.

All the best,

Chris

Thank you for your answer Chris, so when i understand this right it means: Lets wait till mindfox is ready with other coins and then he will maybe add some features.
What do you think about hiring new devs? That will work project after project and not all at ones.

Actually, Mindfox has been working very hard for us on a new wallet for us. We extended community discussion not because of Mindfox's time commitments but due to it being clear to us that the community wanted more time to discuss. As I understand it, modifying WC to add a privacy feature would take more work than creating a compainon coin, but I could be wrong. I do believe it is worth exploring to see if we can get Mindfox some additional help, though I'm going to check in and get a report from the ops team before I make any further comment on that.

All the best,

Chris

I know he do a lot and I appreciate that.
You are right, it would be more work to implement things then make a new one.
But do not miss the facts. Nothing happend since months (on the software side). Even a simple logo change is to much. So please speak with the ops team and be realistic when you do that.

There are other people that want to change things, as well.

I also think we should hire a new dev that can speed things up.

With recent elite coin scandal things do not feel so good in the alt scene.

Soon I will have to sell my 13 mill wc to go back to bitcoin and loose my 30 btc as I paid much more for my wc then current value because I don't see anyone concentrating on the coin but only concentrating on crypto politics. May as well just be back in the bitcoin camp for that.

How much does it cost to hire new dev?

1 million wc? 5 million wc? 10 million?

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Quote from: Nexby on July 27, 2014, 11:43:53 AM

Quote from: mogonzo on July 27, 2014, 11:37:12 AM

Quote from: mogonzo on July 27, 2014, 11:37:12 AM

...

Timeline & Roadmap

June 25th-29th: Commmunity discussion and planning
June 30th - July 3rd: Target window for Pre-Ann thread and website launches
July 5th - 8th: Target window for the launch of our IPO and official Ann thread
July 25th - 31st: Target window for launch of WhiteOutCoin

welcome back Mogonzo, i am sorry to here that.
but can you answers this please...
did i miss it? or did it fail befor it start? somebody know?

Hey Nexby,

Very fair question and thanks for the good wishes. In a later post we extended community discussion as the concept of a companion coin was not favourable to all of our investors and I also felt it was very healthy for us to do more brainstorming. Currently, I believe the discussion has turned away from doing a companion coin and integrating these features directly into WC. This will probably take us extra time to accomplish, and I'm hoping to have an update for everyone on that front in the next day or two.

All the best,

Chris

Thank you for your answer Chris, so when i understand this right it means: Lets wait till mindfox is ready with other coins and then he will maybe add some features.
What do you think about hiring new devs? That will work project after project and not all at ones.

Actually, Mindfox has been working very hard for us on a new wallet for us. We extended community discussion not because of Mindfox's time commitments but due to it being clear to us that the community wanted more time to discuss. As I understand it, modifying WC to add a privacy feature would take more work than creating a compainon coin, but I could be wrong. I do believe it is worth exploring to see if we can get Mindfox some additional help, though I'm going to check in and get a report from the ops team before I make any further comment on that.

All the best,

Chris

Nexby

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Activity: 39

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...

Timeline & Roadmap

June 25th-29th: Commmunity discussion and planning
June 30th - July 3rd: Target window for Pre-Ann thread and website launches
July 5th - 8th: Target window for the launch of our IPO and official Ann thread
July 25th - 31st: Target window for launch of WhiteOutCoin

welcome back Mogonzo, i am sorry to here that.
but can you answers this please...
did i miss it? or did it fail befor it start? somebody know?

Hey Nexby,

Very fair question and thanks for the good wishes. In a later post we extended community discussion as the concept of a companion coin was not favourable to all of our investors and I also felt it was very healthy for us to do more brainstorming. Currently, I believe the discussion has turned away from doing a companion coin and integrating these features directly into WC. This will probably take us extra time to accomplish, and I'm hoping to have an update for everyone on that front in the next day or two.

All the best,

Chris

Thank you for your answer Chris, so when i understand this right it means: Lets wait till mindfox is ready with other coins and then he will maybe add some features.
What do you think about hiring new devs? That will work project after project and not all at ones.

mogonzo

full member

Activity: 182

Merit: 100

...

Timeline & Roadmap

June 25th-29th: Commmunity discussion and planning
June 30th - July 3rd: Target window for Pre-Ann thread and website launches
July 5th - 8th: Target window for the launch of our IPO and official Ann thread
July 25th - 31st: Target window for launch of WhiteOutCoin

welcome back Mogonzo, i am sorry to here that.
but can you answers this please...
did i miss it? or did it fail befor it start? somebody know?

Hey Nexby,

Very fair question and thanks for the good wishes. In a later post we extended community discussion as the concept of a companion coin was not favourable to all of our investors and I also felt it was very healthy for us to do more brainstorming. Currently, I believe the discussion has turned away from doing a companion coin and integrating these features directly into WC. This will probably take us extra time to accomplish, and I'm hoping to have an update for everyone on that front in the next day or two.

All the best,

Chris

Nexby

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Activity: 39

Merit: 0