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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on December 02, 2023, 08:39:02 AM

If signature campaigns didn't work, then trust me they wouldn't have splashed all that amount of money here in the forum trying to advertise the mixers. I think it also comes to strategy.

It takes a lot of time to build trust in such a service so they knew they would be making or loss on the signature campaign spendings until they build a customership.

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Quote from: minerjones on November 27, 2023, 10:14:12 AM

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

How is that related?

I guess they are not... I was under the assumption that since the BTC funds moved, this was considered a nefarious action on part of WW

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Not sure what would happen with the DAI left. Huh

Maye let the community that was affected decide?
The escrowed amount was meant to prevent losses. Since the website is gone, new losses won't occur. As far as I know all valid claims are paid. I'd say returning^* the funds (when requested) is the right thing to do (after a 7 day delay, as agreed upon earlier).

Yes, agree with that.

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Quote from: Synchronice on December 01, 2023, 02:53:14 PM

But I still have a question. How effective really was signature campaign for whirlwind? Also, when was sinbad.io website as a fully functional mixing service created? Sinbad.io started advertising on this forum in 2022 and it looks like they become super popular and millions of dollars went through their mixer. Does this mean that signature worked for them? If yes, then is it false claim when whirlwind owner says that signature campaign didn't work for them?

If signature campaigns didn't work, then trust me they wouldn't have splashed all that amount of money here in the forum trying to advertise the mixers. I think it also comes to strategy.

Another thing I kept thinking about is that once a mix would get seized or voluntarily shutdown like it was the case with Bitblender because they sensed some danger, I have a feeling they would come back under a different name and brand and knew exactly what to do or where to get customers from.

I think Sinbad will launch as a new mixer some day, since the Feds didn't seize those Bitcoins.

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Quote from: minerjones on November 28, 2023, 08:01:56 AM

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left. Huh

Maye let the community that was affected decide?

So far, there is no accusation that they are an illegal service. I do not know what the laws are in your country, but in many countries you will receive a percentage of 1% to 5% of the security funds every year, and therefore whenever they return, you will deduct your percentage and transfer the rest to them.
The problem would be if they were seized or the mixing services were deemed illegal.

Quote from: Synchronice on December 01, 2023, 02:53:14 PM

Sinbad.io started advertising on this forum in 2022 and it looks like they become super popular and millions of dollars went through their mixer. Does this mean that signature worked for them? If yes, then is it false claim when whirlwind owner says that signature campaign didn't work for them?

There is no relationship. If Sinbad's design aims to launder money, they are successful from the first moment, and any money that comes from the clients enhances their ability to hide their identity, other than being a mixer with limited resources, which I actually believe they are.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on October 15, 2023, 04:59:40 AM

@Synchronice,

Other mixers may be very willing to work with "bad money" and not think twice or have connection to states like NK (even if unconfirmed). So that's why and how they succeed. Judging by the number of refunds we issued with the help of minerjones it was basically only the signature participants who had funds on whirlwind.

As it seems, Hhampuz was right.

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Sinbad.io (Sinbad), a virtual currency mixer that serves as a key money-laundering tool of the OFAC-designated Lazarus Group, a state-sponsored cyber hacking group of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK).

But I still have a question. How effective really was signature campaign for whirlwind? Also, when was sinbad.io website as a fully functional mixing service created? Sinbad.io started advertising on this forum in 2022 and it looks like they become super popular and millions of dollars went through their mixer. Does this mean that signature worked for them? If yes, then is it false claim when whirlwind owner says that signature campaign didn't work for them?

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 29, 2023, 05:39:37 AM

The escrowed amount was meant to prevent losses. Since the website is gone, new losses won't occur. As far as I know all valid claims are paid. I'd say returning the funds (when requested) is the right thing to do (after a 7 day delay, as agreed upon earlier).

How would you know they still control the keys for DAI address that sent coins to minerjones?
We know they broke their word before when they said they will return to forum, but they never returned to explain anything, so we still don't know what really happened.
Not active since July, and all we know is that BTC address is active again.

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Quote from: minerjones on November 28, 2023, 08:01:56 AM

Quote from: minerjones on November 27, 2023, 10:14:12 AM

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

How is that related?

Quote from: dkbit98 on November 30, 2023, 03:45:20 PM

How would you know they still control the keys for DAI address that sent coins to minerjones?

^* I didn't mean return to the sending address.

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Quote from: minerjones on November 28, 2023, 08:01:56 AM

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left. Huh

Maye let the community that was affected decide?

If possible, an explanation to better understand the escrow service. Is there a time limit and how does it affect the fee that you charge as an escrow for this service? Is the fee higher after a certain period? Or is it fixed regardless of the duration, whether it is one month or two years?

Quote from: JollyGood on November 28, 2023, 11:00:04 AM

I might be missing something here. If they have willingly moved the funds from the Bitcoin wallet or whether it was hacked, how does that affect your decision to deny them their DAI (escrow) funds? I suppose the only reason would be if you thought they were not controlling the funds in the BTC wallet therefore you would fear sending the DAI to someone pretending to be from Whirlwind but was in fact someone else.

Probably, in this case, the only option is to return the remaining DAI to the address from which it was sent to escrow.

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I might be missing something here. If they have willingly moved the funds from the Bitcoin wallet or whether it was hacked, how does that affect your decision to deny them their DAI (escrow) funds? I suppose the only reason would be if you thought they were not controlling the funds in the BTC wallet therefore you would fear sending the DAI to someone pretending to be from Whirlwind but was in fact someone else.

I am not advocating for it to be kept or returned if they asked for it but correct me if I am wrong, if signature campaign participants received their funds and their clearnet and onion websites are down (therefore there can be no new victims can be created), why would you refuse to return their money if they got in contact to ask for it?

Quote from: minerjones on November 28, 2023, 08:01:56 AM

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left. Huh

Maye let the community that was affected decide?

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 27, 2023, 06:01:01 PM

It is a difficult question to answer but have you decided what will you do with the DAI? How much time will you allow for the Whirlwind representative to get in contact with you to have the funds sent to a destination of their choosing? If they do not get in contact with you what happens to the escrow funds?

Quote from: minerjones on November 27, 2023, 10:14:12 AM

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

As of now, if they did contact me, I would deny them any of the remaining funds due to what has happened recently with the BTC wallet.

Not sure what would happen with the DAI left. Huh

Maye let the community that was affected decide?

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 28, 2023, 04:30:10 AM

Quote from: dkbit98 on November 27, 2023, 06:38:00 PM

Did anyone investigated deeper where the coins might be going?

How? The coins moved to brand new Bitcoin addresses. There's nothing to link them to.

In the past, even the most sophisticated scammer have made errors, even after multiple coinjoin runs, and got caught.
The size of the theft was bigger thou, so it was the willingness of the entity doing blockchain analysis.
I am not a fan of the on-chain heuristic, but blockchain footprints are immutable and available to be analysed with newer techniques for eternity.
Never say never.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 27, 2023, 04:08:44 AM

I wish! This means the "hit by a bus scenario" didn't happen.

Or maybe the hit wasn't fatal?
Just a bit of coma and now back home from hospital?

But let' be realists here, even if the guy truly had a problem, either an accident, a trip to jail on some other thing, kidnaped or forced conscription, right now it makes no sense for him to come and "clean" his image even if he is indeed innocent, nobody will ever believe him even if true, we all know it he knows it, what's done is done and that's the end of this, the service will never be able to gain any reputation or trust anymore no matter what.

Quote from: dkbit98 on November 27, 2023, 06:38:00 PM

I am sure they are going to use different methods to try and hide final destination of coins, but I don't think they are going to use centralized exchanges.

Mixing? But why would they even plan on using an exchange, CEX or DEX, they had coins in the first place and they didn't seem to be needing $, probably they will start a new mixer, that is if they haven't done so already.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 27, 2023, 06:38:00 PM

Did anyone investigated deeper where the coins might be going?

How? The coins moved to brand new Bitcoin addresses. There's nothing to link them to.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 27, 2023, 04:08:44 AM

I wish! This means the "hit by a bus scenario" didn't happen. The funds were moved in 8 transactions, to 11 different addresses. One of those sent the funds to a different address again.
I noticed all 8 transactions used round fees. That's interesting, that means someone manually entered the fee. Before WWM disappeared, the last automated transactions had fees based sats/vbyte instead of round numbers. Now they used 15,000 to 75,000 sats transaction fee.

At least now we know for sure they are alive Wink

Did anyone investigated deeper where the coins might be going?
I am sure they are going to use different methods to try and hide final destination of coins, but I don't think they are going to use centralized exchanges.

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It is a difficult question to answer but have you decided what will you do with the DAI? How much time will you allow for the Whirlwind representative to get in contact with you to have the funds sent to a destination of their choosing? If they do not get in contact with you what happens to the escrow funds?

Quote from: minerjones on November 27, 2023, 10:14:12 AM

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

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Quote from: fillippone on November 27, 2023, 09:33:28 AM

Some more activity on the above address.
I don’t know if I incorrectly stated this morning the address was empty, because now there are several unconfirmed transactions a dx the total address balance is zero.

All those transactions were broadcasted to the network before your previous post and you were right. There was no more activity.
8 transactions were made from their multi-signature address today. 5 of them have been confirmed and 3 of them are still unconfirmed.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 27, 2023, 09:57:08 AM

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Quote from: fillippone on November 27, 2023, 01:59:12 AM

I saw movements on the address bc1qf8h5k6sash8007vpesymxkw2xsg5d0r3j4l5vmcrwpz2pqu66fjstzgd3r that is now empty.
Do you know what is going on?

It seems that coins is starting to move, and if they do not return to give a statement in the coming hours, WWM is officially considered to have stopped, and anyone who sent to the service without communicating here has been scammed. I don't think received addresses were a multi-signature address, so they withdrew.

This is an interesting situation to be in after the funds have been on the move. How many member would have thought anything like this would happen so close to the period after the mixer owners stopped communicating within the forum (or with Hhampuz). If anything, I would have expected the funds to just sit there untouched forever.

The Whirlwind onion and clearnet websites are not working therefore they might not return to make any statements or comments.

Quote from: LoyceV on November 27, 2023, 04:08:44 AM

Escrow funds are still intact.

They are still under the control of minerjones right?

Yes, I still have the 14444.94 DAI under my control.

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Quote from: hugeblack on November 27, 2023, 04:03:39 AM

Quote from: fillippone on November 27, 2023, 01:59:12 AM

I saw movements on the address bc1qf8h5k6sash8007vpesymxkw2xsg5d0r3j4l5vmcrwpz2pqu66fjstzgd3r that is now empty.
Do you know what is going on?

It seems that coins is starting to move, and if they do not return to give a statement in the coming hours, WWM is officially considered to have stopped, and anyone who sent to the service without communicating here has been scammed. I don't think received addresses were a multi-signature address, so they withdrew.

This is an interesting situation to be in after the funds have been on the move. How many member would have thought anything like this would happen so close to the period after the mixer owners stopped communicating within the forum (or with Hhampuz). If anything, I would have expected the funds to just sit there untouched forever.

The Whirlwind onion and clearnet websites are not working therefore they might not return to make any statements or comments.

Quote from: LoyceV on November 27, 2023, 04:08:44 AM

Escrow funds are still intact.

They are still under the control of minerjones right?

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Some more activity on the above address.
I don’t know if I incorrectly stated this morning the address was empty, because now there are several unconfirmed transactions a dx the total address balance is zero.
Still, round mining fees.

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Quote from: fillippone on November 27, 2023, 01:59:12 AM

I saw movements on the address bc1qf8h5k6sash8007vpesymxkw2xsg5d0r3j4l5vmcrwpz2pqu66fjstzgd3r that is now empty.

I double checked: this was indeed WWM's multisig address.

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Do you know what is going on?

I wish! This means the "hit by a bus scenario" didn't happen. The funds were moved in 8 transactions, to 11 different addresses. One of those sent the funds to a different address again.
I noticed all 8 transactions used round fees. That's interesting, that means someone manually entered the fee. Before WWM disappeared, the last automated transactions had fees based sats/vbyte instead of round numbers. Now they used 15,000 to 75,000 sats transaction fee.

Escrow funds are still intact.

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