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After reading this thread that had mentioned a lot of fairness and unfairness of the introduced dividend I have to say one thing. It's un-fucking-fair. You know why? Because these dividend rules were never presented during the ICO stage in the first place. I bought 20k during ICO, I (naturally) dumped 15k once it came out. I used 1k to buy the popcorn. And than, while chewing on the popcorn, I bought 5k back. Now, where does it place me? Of all things, crypto has to be a bit more transparent. Anything above that makes it a scam. What should I do?

Your argument is like try talking bitcoin foundation into raising block reward to 50 again..
Life is not fair, i thought so to once long when i was young, before life slapped me enough times in the face
for that illusion to collapse just like the one about santa claus once did.

I think you are confusing stock market with Cryptomarket. When stocks get listed on exchange, they have to provide minimum level of turnover. Risk is low there. Here there was no infrastructure, no revenue but just a blind trust on unknown people. Have you ever heard about Risk and reward? I don't think you do, because now when you see good development ahead, you want same share of profit. Lol.

Remember my friend you too had the option to purchase more after the ICO had finished if you wanted to ride the waves, just because you couldn't touch the ICO wallet doeskin mean you couldn't have a wee gamble with another wallet or that your hands were bounds - Everyone post-ICO has no choice but to pay at the absolute minimum at least twice what you paid. That is your reward - you get to reap the same amount of profit with less than half the expense incurred. Why should they not get an equal share of the profit? Why are their 20,000 coins worth less effectively than your 10,000?

As Triff said earlier; this coin is very much like a dividend paying stock; you may be eligible for dividends with a lower buy-in of coins - no problem with that - but you may NOT receive more per share (coin) than any other invested member.

Folks this is just the way the world works. Look at any offer of securities to the public for the first time and show me where it is considered acceptable to have one rate of return for a few 'special' investors and a 40% lower rate for everyone else. It is not acceptable in the eyes of the intelligent and informed investor and it is not acceptable here.

This is where the problem is - and why it must be resolved amicably if this coins it to take off again.

No one likes a bad deal.

You may very well think its unfair - but Id bet we could count the ICO holders left who haven't dumped on two hands. If we want 100s of new investors you MUST level the playing field. If not, it will simply be another bagholders burden. You can't encourage investment through what is in essence an unconscionable bargain.

To buy 20k now at 16000-16500 or so each would not be a major problem, tomorrow - maybe not..
Cant you see the disadvantage of keeping your coins locked, unable to move sell or trade them?
I bought at 8-9000 so do i disqualify then also since i paid less then the ICO investors?
If a ICO sells his coins and then buy them back he gets moved from the 14% division to the 10% division.
Intact ICO lots will most likely be quite sought after in the future.

Valid points.

You clearly don't understand the disadvantages of being an ICO investor, we cannot trade with our coin like you can. We bought at 10500sat right but you got chance to sell at 60000sat and again buy at 7000 sat. We trusted Dev team when there was no development and even when the price came down below ICO. You sold you stack and now when you see some good development underway , you want same profit share as us. This is not fair. What is our reward for trusting dev team all the time? Price has already fallen below ICO and recovered so you can't say that this will be only our reward.

dminer is a smart guy, I'm sure he is reading and taking all thing into consideration. But what I'm more sure of is that the new profit sharing plan will be fair for all, so start your accumulation before the multipool kicks in and nabs all these cheap coins up!

Your reward is you only had to buy 10,000 at 10,500 Satoshi. Anyone else will now have to buy 20,000 at upwards of 20,000. Can you not see how it is absolutely no advantage whatsoever?

I agree but you still have chance to book profits in future and buy back more coins if the value again swings like it did before. We don't have that choice as ICO investors can either keep the coins all the time in their wallet to share that % of profits or loose the status and be one of NON ICO investors.

Unfortunately pal that doesn't apply to many of us. I trusted and bagheld this thing since day 1 - only just missed the ICO by a matter of an hour or so. I watched it go up to 45,000+ and I watched it fall to 6700. I don't see why I should get any less share of the profit than someone who bought the ICO. Sure they can have 10,000 and I must have 20,000 - I can live with that - but no way will I accept a 40% lower profit share for spending at the very least 200% more.

But think about people who bought as an ICO sold at about 5000 and now again can buy 5x more coins and have greater share of profits.

I don't mind the % of profit share but the minimum amount should stay the same.

Wait a minute ..

The 'incentive' as an ICO investor was the price ..
I know because I am one  

The profit share payout percentage ( think dividend ) has to be the same for
all CLD holders .. period ..

Triff ..

Nice to see someone else here understands why it must be so in order for the coin to take off again.

It's common sense - it is fair and reasonable. Infact, its a compromise. ICO investors - once verified that they havent moved their coins at all - can get in with 10,000. The rest of us get in with 20,000. We all get 14%.

Face it boys - If you ever want to see your bags increase in value again you are gonna have to compromise. Otherwise there will never be any meaningful injections of capital apart from the odd sucker who doesn't realize - why should they buy? Why should they buy double the coins at an inflated price only to make your holdings go up in value?

People are greedy - but they know when somethings a bum deal; and anything other than an equal payment to all is a bum deal.

Yes exactly our funds are locked in so if profit share plan changes we will have no incentive to keep our coins in wallet or be an ICO investor.

But - it must be 14% for everyone - not 10% for us and 14% for you.


Agree with above 100% ..

This ( CLD ) is more like a dividend paying stock than a coin ..
If you bought JNJ when it IPO'd and I bought JNJ a month later
we'd both get the same dividend ( as it should be ) ..
I'm OK with the ICO investor having a lower amount of CLD in order to participate
in the Profit Share Plan than a non ICO investor, but the payout percent must
be the same for everyone ..

Triff ..

I agree with you, ICO investors took more of a risk, and your coins are locked in.

It must be 100% proved and verifiable publicly that an ICO holder has not sold or moved his coins even once since purchasing. If you can prove that you bought 10,000 or more coins from the ICO, that at no point did you move your coins from that wallet or sell anything whatsover - and prove it publicly - then I would be happy to accept that as fair and buy back in 20,000 coins for the profit sharing.

But - it must be 14% for everyone - not 10% for us and 14% for you.

Now think about it from the perspective of ICO investors like me. We trusted the Devs from starting, we had to transfer our coins to wallet within one day after trading opened, we cannot move our coin from wallet if we want to be part of ICO profit sharing plan so no profits from trading. And NON ICO , investors can buy and sell at any time making profits, they just need 20000 CLD in their wallet at any point.  If ICO investors move coins even once they loose their status but NON ICO investors are free.   Why would we want NON ICO investor to share same benefits as we do when we have more boundaries? Think about it. Of Dev change the profit sharing plan then I am out of it .