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Topic: [ANN] [XMG] MAGI | CPU mining | mPoW | mPoS | [MagiPay] - page 1225. (Read 2375926 times)

legendary
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What is this error???!!!

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We are investingating issues in the backend. Your shares and hashrate are safe and we will fix things ASAP.

Findblocks disabled, new blocks will currently not show up in the frontend
Payouts disabled, you will not receive any coins to your offline wallet for the time being
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No worry, every thing is under control except they have issues with the payout I guess, be patient. Smiley
newbie
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What is this error???!!!

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We are investingating issues in the backend. Your shares and hashrate are safe and we will fix things ASAP.

Findblocks disabled, new blocks will currently not show up in the frontend
Payouts disabled, you will not receive any coins to your offline wallet for the time being
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legendary
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Merit: 1009
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[Update: an potential adjustment of block rewards - diff]

Initial design

We have to go back to review the initial design.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8755719

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Predicted consequence is fair distribution, avoiding big mining farms and maintaining the network hash under a certain level (unlike BTC network keep increasing). It will frustrate mining farms (if existed) when network hashrate is so high that the mining rewarding is at the decline side. Mining XMG is less profitable compared to mining others; only belivers keeping mining will receive the most out of it. Same frustration applies to GPU miners if they existed.

According the above image, sorry for big miners, my initial thinking is to exclude the (personal) big hash as much as possible. Since we are initially based on M7, GPU mining is allowed at that time. The situation I am trying to avoid is the GPU farm, that is the reason of using diff-dependent rewards. As to M7M, allowing big hash in network means allowing GPU miners too if they exist. I do believe CPU miners (even with farms) would hate to see GPU farms online, same applied to individual CPU miners. This initial direction must be complied.

Issues

Network hash keeps increasing; we haven't see the arrival of rewarding peak yet while we already noticed the coming of big miners;

Current mining status in two pools:
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Suprnova Workers: 244
Nonce-Pool Active Workers: 183
total works: 427
Total network hash is about 105 MHps.

It would be conclusive that individual miners have reached saturation, further increase in hash is mostly due to big miners. We haven't got into the 500 XMG/block stage. Provided the general user base won't grow (most likely), what do we expect once net hash hitting a point where gets 500 XMG/block?

Solutions

1) We intend to get 500 XMG/block into the net, but conditional

2) This is the idea; let's say we have three mining groups

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Group A - CPU individual miners
Group B - CPU farms
Group C - GPU miners & farms

Though we may expect nonexisting of GPU miners, we can't exclude the possibility (individual). This must be taken care of.  

The most importance of this solution is to maintain the #A:
a. Mining hash of #A must remain the same or above during the lifetime of mining.
b. Moving the optimum diff to a point where the net hash equals to the hash of #A; optimum diff is where we get maximum rewards.



It will be clear that with the arrival of #B, #A+#B leads to less rewards; Both #A and #B suffers low rewarding. #A is a faith miner and never go way in spite of zero reward or 500 XMG, and what happened to #B. #A is a set of many individual miners; for one who mines with 1 cpu, it won't be much loss if nothing coming out in one or two days (in an extreme case, we can assume at #A+#B rewards is zero). But for #B, since #B is a big farm and running costly, it won't be acceptable for them to mine without any return. We can image the same thing for #A+#B+#C. Obviously, the only way of getting rewards for #B or #C is to lower their hashing power, so that the block rewards are available for mining; it may get them to the same hashing level as #A.

If we can go this way, we will will need to select optimum diff and reward-diff pattern. The standard can rely on the mining history so far.

Any suggestions are appreciated!

Please suggest if this is the way we can go.
newbie
Activity: 49
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Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad

Same here

I smell a rip off... my miners also stoped working

Probably issue with the stratum, don't worry, nonce-pool is very dedicated to their work, they just updated minerd source code with improving performance.

Yes but a stratum error should not ne the case when the login to the pool page is the main problem, right?


They are 100 % legit, just give them some time to wake up, its probably a hard disk space error, seems the cookie cannot be set on their side, I had that too earlier with extreme big logfiles sometimes. Shit happens, they'll fix it soon.

Yes, they have backend issues and yes it looks like a Cookie problem, i am not infront of a pc so i can't check what is happening. I guess you are right because the login loop only works when you enter the right password. And yes i know what you talking about regarding to big logfiles... Devops since ages  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2688
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LOL him dont pay, no1 have no1 got bounty , sam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

full member
Activity: 183
Merit: 100
HUDI
LOL him dont pay, no1 have no1 got bounty , sam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
Any news about the bounties for the translators ?

Do you send your address to 111magic? we will issue the translation bounties as we posted sometime ago, the same amount.
legendary
Activity: 2688
Merit: 1240
Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad

Same here

I smell a rip off... my miners also stoped working

Probably issue with the stratum, don't worry, nonce-pool is very dedicated to their work, they just updated minerd source code with improving performance.

Yes but a stratum error should not ne the case when the login to the pool page is the main problem, right?


They are 100 % legit, just give them some time to wake up, its probably a hard disk space error, seems the cookie cannot be set on their side, I had that too earlier with extreme big logfiles sometimes. Shit happens, they'll fix it soon.
newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad

Same here

I smell a rip off... my miners also stoped working

Probably issue with the stratum, don't worry, nonce-pool is very dedicated to their work, they just updated minerd source code with improving performance.

Yes but a stratum error should not ne the case when the login to the pool page is the main problem, right?
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
sry i mean Make a cap, stop pay block found, i cant belive they use cpu...

if u belive in u coin ofc...

gl.

I am about to make a long post about this Smiley, take care of that then
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad

Same here

I smell a rip off... my miners also stoped working

Probably issue with the stratum, don't worry, nonce-pool is very dedicated to their work, they just updated minerd source code with improving performance.
full member
Activity: 183
Merit: 100
HUDI
sry i mean Make a cap, stop pay block found, i cant belive they use cpu...

if u belive in u coin ofc...

gl.
newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad

Same here

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 my miners also stoped working
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
Top 25 Blockfinder
Rank    Username    Blocks    Coins Generated
1    anonymous     56    3,062
2    MagiSimpson    32    2,663
3    anonymous     9    879
4    test              8    532
5    szy4483p157    6    156
6    bearishtrader    6    426


Ok i find 2 of this, is from CHINA and they are DEV....

Sam, they go 192.000k, in 12h x10 Huh  STOP POW NOW|!!!!!!



Hi, what do you mean stop PoW?
full member
Activity: 183
Merit: 100
HUDI
 Top 25 Blockfinder
Rank    Username    Blocks    Coins Generated
1    anonymous     56    3,062
2    MagiSimpson    32    2,663
3    anonymous     9    879
4    test              8    532
5    szy4483p157    6    156
6    bearishtrader    6    426


Ok i find 2 of this, is from CHINA and they are DEV....

Sam, they go 192.000k, in 12h x10 Huh  STOP POW NOW|!!!!!!

newbie
Activity: 49
Merit: 0
Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad

Same here
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1009
Coin of the Magi!
Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad

I just login, no issue. You can pm nonce-pool.
legendary
Activity: 1151
Merit: 1001
Someone else who can't login at http://magi.nonce-pool.com Huh
I made account yesterday, mined for 20 hours...
And today I can't login, it simply refuses my login , tried to reset password - says that "  Unable to send mail to your address "
Sad
member
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this is an interesting concept,looking forward to this thread.

hero member
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@joelao95
How you define "mining involvement"?

Well what I was trying to suggest was that in a theoretical "fair for everyone scenario" participation should be rewarded rather than the payout being based on the ability to generate the largest hash rate (though greater wealth or other means such as botnet).

By "mining involvement" perhaps the act of being connected to the XMG network and mining to a low minimum standard enables more people to gain reward, after all, the excess hashing power people are attempting to achieve in order to get more coins is effectively 'wasted energy'.  
If there was a way to reward a minimum standard of mining e.g. 5kh+ hashespersec, and there would be little extra reward in generating 100kh+ hashespersec then I suggest it would avoid an 'excess' distribution to those who can afford/bot the extremely high hashrates.
In theory this would then leave the coin more in the hands of the community rather than the pump-n-dumpers who just mine to take a quick profit ?

Anyway this is just my speculation I will be very interested to see what Joe's idea is  :-)


How about just take hardware mining out of it entirely.... Let the dev put 100,000 coins on an exchange and sell them for X, then have the remaining distribution of coins be done through proof of stake at a reasonably high % (100% per year at least).  That way people get out of it what they put in financially.  There is no advantage for those who can access free mining resources and everyone gets the same % reward.  Not suggesting that approach for this coin, but it does address the ability for some people to access free mining.  The amount raised fro selling the coins could then be used to buy more, propping up the price, and used as part of the PoS distribution.  Just a thought Smiley

Paul, that is an interesting concept

So you are saying kick out mining completely?   Make it 100% proof of stake based on distribution of coins provided from dev?

How would there be price support?  from selling the coins? Why would people buy?


Traditional mining would be avoided yes.  Mining (and therefore transaction verification and network security) would be still be done through proof of stake minting.  
The price support would be no different to any other crypto currency - value comes through the related services provided and the perceived value given by investors, so buy support would arise in that way.  But an asset returning 100% return per annum for 5-10 years is a pretty valuable asset, so demand should be there for them.  

Additionally the money the dev receives from the initial distribution sale would be used to place a buy back at the initial NAV.  So if 100,000 were sold at 0.001, he would initially put a buy wall at that price once all 100,000 were sold.  This would create an instant market and provide some liquidity.  Any coins bought-back from this wall would be distributed proportionally to coin holders as part of the proof of stake (maybe spread over 1-2 years).  

What you end up with is a fair distribution and a market kick-started by the liquidity provided from the ICO.

Yes it would mean that those with bigger bankrolls could buy the lions share, but I don't see anything wrong with that.  They also carry a bigger risk.  

EDIT: Sorry Joe this is gone off topic here, I'll avoid going into any more detail in this thread. Smiley  Back to MAGI!!
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