I agree.
Ban MsCollect from anything Sync-related unless he explains himself.
Topic: [ANN][1000 SYNC] Proof of Stake now run by BLOCKCHAIN DEVELOPMENT COMPANY - page 135. (Read 816006 times)
July 28, 2014, 02:09:25 PM
July 28, 2014, 02:05:29 PM
Everyone in SYNC likes MsCollec...
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
Everyone in Voot liked MsCollec too. Didn't make any difference when he decided to abandon it.
its not about liking someone - it is about an ability of an idea behind a coin - mscollec (sorry MS) is not needed anymore - although we are glad if MS Posts here
and working onevery good coin is once made AND THEN ITS THE COMMUNITY BEHIND THE COIN that takes it going
and so far: voots community ? syncs community ?
you just dont know anything about Marketing and the way your childish comments are seen outside - YOU ARE VOOT OR SYNC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT and if you behave like children NOONE will ever take this coin for serious
but back to Topic - the idea behind sync is the greatest since this whole crab that called crypto has assigned - if you dont believe in your coin just in the dev after a dev that ruined your coin - you dont understand anything behind this and im very sorry to say ....
you have deserved what you get
This is starting to take on more than a whiff of desperation.
MsCollec could abandon SYNC today, and development would continue.
Our community is stronger than VOOTs.
Then you have nothing to worry about and don't need to scream it so loud!
Likewise
July 28, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
Everyone in SYNC likes MsCollec...
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
Everyone in Voot liked MsCollec too. Didn't make any difference when he decided to abandon it.
its not about liking someone - it is about an ability of an idea behind a coin - mscollec (sorry MS) is not needed anymore - although we are glad if MS Posts here
and working onevery good coin is once made AND THEN ITS THE COMMUNITY BEHIND THE COIN that takes it going
and so far: voots community ? syncs community ?
you just dont know anything about Marketing and the way your childish comments are seen outside - YOU ARE VOOT OR SYNC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT and if you behave like children NOONE will ever take this coin for serious
but back to Topic - the idea behind sync is the greatest since this whole crab that called crypto has assigned - if you dont believe in your coin just in the dev after a dev that ruined your coin - you dont understand anything behind this and im very sorry to say ....
you have deserved what you get
This is starting to take on more than a whiff of desperation.
MsCollec could abandon SYNC today, and development would continue.
Our community is stronger than VOOTs.
July 28, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
LOL MsCollec can't destroy SYNC...
This coin is much more than a developer.
I suggest that the VOOT crowd read our whitepaper.
SYNC is self-sustaining at this point, and a large number of SYNC has been taken off the market through various programs.
There isn't enough liquidity in the market for a dump at this point, so chill out.
If you guys want to rage about VOOT, do it in the VOOT thread.
Most people here are adults. We can make up our own minds without you spreading FUD.
This coin is much more than a developer.
I suggest that the VOOT crowd read our whitepaper.
SYNC is self-sustaining at this point, and a large number of SYNC has been taken off the market through various programs.
There isn't enough liquidity in the market for a dump at this point, so chill out.
If you guys want to rage about VOOT, do it in the VOOT thread.
Most people here are adults. We can make up our own minds without you spreading FUD.
+1
"...and a large number of SYNC has been taken off the market through various programs." and thats - still besides all the good News - is the warranty why sync is a good invest
July 28, 2014, 01:57:56 PM
How sad
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Sorry, but I have heavily invested in Sync and I need to protect my investment. We as a community should not tolerate know scammer on board of Synccoin. MsCollec didn't even bother to share proper statement with the community.
MsCollec took over Voot however MsCollec IS SYNC. So you have an issue with MsCollec you have an issue with SYNC. If you want to protect your "investment" sell now and leave. The price is still high.
MsCollec is NOT sync. the Sync Foundation is SYNC. Read up before you speak so you won't be ignorant.
It's pretty bad when both sides of an argument don't have a clue.
No, MsCollec is not Sync. Nite69 is not Sync. The Sync foundation is not Sync.
Sync is ALL OF US. It's an open source, collaborative project.
Let me tell you guys something. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it until SOMEBODY gets it.
A bad dev CANNOT kill a coin.
A Good dev CANNOT make a coin succeed.
A weak community can kill a coin, and they frequently do. This one has proven rather resilient.
A Strong community can bring a coin back from the dead IN SPITE of a bad dev, or even a scamming dev. Have a look at SHA coin, if you doubt me. It's not in great shape, but the patient is surely recovering. Unless the coin's code is just plain unworkable, it will continue on. Sync don't have that problem. Prior to Nite being brought on, there were some issues with the CLIENT, though the daemon worked well. That all got resolved.
This is why I simply do not care about all the fud. If the community can hack it, then the coin will continue with or without the dev, sync foundation, etc. They can help or hurt, but they can't kill it. Only you can do that.
Thanks! +1000000
July 28, 2014, 01:56:31 PM
Everyone in SYNC likes MsCollec...
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
Everyone in Voot liked MsCollec too. Didn't make any difference when he decided to abandon it.
its not about liking someone - it is about an ability of an idea behind a coin - mscollec (sorry MS) is not needed anymore - although we are glad if MS Posts here
and working onevery good coin is once made AND THEN ITS THE COMMUNITY BEHIND THE COIN that takes it going
and so far: voots community ? syncs community ?
you just dont know anything about Marketing and the way your childish comments are seen outside - YOU ARE VOOT OR SYNC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT and if you behave like children NOONE will ever take this coin for serious
but back to Topic - the idea behind sync is the greatest since this whole crab that called crypto has assigned - if you dont believe in your coin just in the dev after a dev that ruined your coin - you dont understand anything behind this and im very sorry to say ....
you have deserved what you get
July 28, 2014, 01:54:43 PM
How sad
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Sorry, but I have heavily invested in Sync and I need to protect my investment. We as a community should not tolerate know scammer on board of Synccoin. MsCollec didn't even bother to share proper statement with the community.
MsCollec took over Voot however MsCollec IS SYNC. So you have an issue with MsCollec you have an issue with SYNC. If you want to protect your "investment" sell now and leave. The price is still high.
MsCollec is NOT sync. the Sync Foundation is SYNC. Read up before you speak so you won't be ignorant.
It's pretty bad when both sides of an argument don't have a clue.
No, MsCollec is not Sync. Nite69 is not Sync. The Sync foundation is not Sync.
Sync is ALL OF US. It's an open source, collaborative project.
Let me tell you guys something. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it until SOMEBODY gets it.
A bad dev CANNOT kill a coin.
A Good dev CANNOT make a coin succeed.
A weak community can kill a coin, and they frequently do. This one has proven rather resilient.
A Strong community can bring a coin back from the dead IN SPITE of a bad dev, or even a scamming dev. Have a look at SHA coin, if you doubt me. It's not in great shape, but the patient is surely recovering. Unless the coin's code is just plain unworkable, it will continue on. Sync don't have that problem. Prior to Nite being brought on, there were some issues with the CLIENT, though the daemon worked well. That all got resolved.
This is why I simply do not care about all the fud. If the community can hack it, then the coin will continue with or without the dev, sync foundation, etc. They can help or hurt, but they can't kill it. Only you can do that.
July 28, 2014, 01:54:36 PM
You guys dont realize that you can fud all you want but we sync holders know all is well, so you are really just wasting time here. What, exactly, do you hope to accomplish? You trying to kill another coin out of spite?
Banning MsCollec from Sync and protecting the investment is main thing.
MsCollec has little to do with SYNC. You sound stupid.
Do you homework before showing your ass.
July 28, 2014, 01:54:28 PM
Looks like several ppl are having issues with wallet getting stuck at future blocks. Anybody here who can help them? Sync Whales.
https://twitter.com/ReverseCramer/status/493815451282329601
https://twitter.com/ReverseCramer/status/493815451282329601
July 28, 2014, 01:53:45 PM
LOL MsCollec can't destroy SYNC...
This coin is much more than a developer.
I suggest that the VOOT crowd read our whitepaper.
SYNC is self-sustaining at this point, and a large number of SYNC has been taken off the market through various programs.
There isn't enough liquidity in the market for a dump at this point, so chill out.
If you guys want to rage about VOOT, do it in the VOOT thread.
Most people here are adults. We can make up our own minds without you spreading FUD.
This coin is much more than a developer.
I suggest that the VOOT crowd read our whitepaper.
SYNC is self-sustaining at this point, and a large number of SYNC has been taken off the market through various programs.
There isn't enough liquidity in the market for a dump at this point, so chill out.
If you guys want to rage about VOOT, do it in the VOOT thread.
Most people here are adults. We can make up our own minds without you spreading FUD.
July 28, 2014, 01:53:02 PM
How sad
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Sorry, but I have heavily invested in Sync and I need to protect my investment. We as a community should not tolerate know scammer on board of Synccoin. MsCollec didn't even bother to share proper statement with the community.
MsCollec took over Voot however MsCollec IS SYNC. So you have an issue with MsCollec you have an issue with SYNC. If you want to protect your "investment" sell now and leave. The price is still high.
MsCollec is NOT sync. the Sync Foundation is SYNC. Read up before you speak so you won't be ignorant.
And who do think the SYNC foundation comprises off?
Not MsCollec. He is not a member of the Foundation.
July 28, 2014, 01:52:28 PM
You guys dont realize that you can fud all you want but we sync holders know all is well, so you are really just wasting time here. What, exactly, do you hope to accomplish? You trying to kill another coin out of spite?
Banning MsCollec from Sync and protecting the investment is main thing.
July 28, 2014, 01:46:56 PM
How sad
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Sorry, but I have heavily invested in Sync and I need to protect my investment. We as a community should not tolerate know scammer on board of Synccoin. MsCollec didn't even bother to share proper statement with the community.
MsCollec took over Voot however MsCollec IS SYNC. So you have an issue with MsCollec you have an issue with SYNC. If you want to protect your "investment" sell now and leave. The price is still high.
MsCollec is NOT sync. the Sync Foundation is SYNC. Read up before you speak so you won't be ignorant.
And who do think the SYNC foundation comprises off?
July 28, 2014, 01:45:12 PM
and once again - you are not welcome here - can you read ?
this is a sync thread with a lot of People behind as shwon yesterday - there is more then 1 Person needed to succeed - if all Kids are on voot - it is sad but we can do nothing to help you so post at another thread and troll there around
this is a sync thread with a lot of People behind as shwon yesterday - there is more then 1 Person needed to succeed - if all Kids are on voot - it is sad but we can do nothing to help you so post at another thread and troll there around
Yes, this is a sync thread and mscollec is part of sync. Lets not discuss voot, but discuss mscollec and how he is threat to sync's stability.
at this Point - its not a "mscollec-coin" it is called sync - nites helping and others too - so why do we have to discuss a Problem(and i see no Problem ?!?!) thats only appearing at a centralized coin when all we do is decentralize it ?
hmmmm.....
stop blaming a fact that is not worth to be discussed
July 28, 2014, 01:43:38 PM
Haha, funny trolls. MsCollec can do nothing at this point to hurt Sync. Bail? So, new dev. PnD? Not possible.
Anyway, the train moves on.
Killer NEW asset added today - domain, site, product inventory.
Vote this UP, leave a comment and you could win 5,000 Sync Miles....
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Estimated value of asset (with Miles inventory) is $22,500.
Anyway, the train moves on.
Killer NEW asset added today - domain, site, product inventory.
Vote this UP, leave a comment and you could win 5,000 Sync Miles....
http://redd.it/2byl9p
Estimated value of asset (with Miles inventory) is $22,500.
July 28, 2014, 01:41:23 PM
I have not followed voot. I have read up a bit on it but from what I have seen he said he will not leave until everything he promised is delivered. Even if they are a little late. There are also other developers willing to take over the coin when he leaves. So I do not get why everyone is so mad just because he said he will be leaving once current projects are done? Do they think he is the voot community and you can only have a successful coin with him. News flash everyone coin devs are like ceo's they come and go. They are not what makes a coin strong. Replace with a new dev and everything will be fine. My guess is that SYNC is taking to much time and he feels he will not be able to spend enough time on voot. When he went to help voot he told us at SYNC he will not let it harm SYNC's development and I bet we have hit that wall where he has to standby his original coin. He did not kill voot everyone panic selling and then blaming him are the ones killing it.
No, it was clearly and definitely his actions that killed Voot. Well, after his buddies had inside info that let them dump first.
Are you a Sync insider? Do you think you'll get warning to get out first?
rubbish - AS mscollec appears at voot - voot was lying on the floor like a dead rabbit - how can it be his Action that killed voot ? blame the former dev and perhaps do this in the voot area - thanks
July 28, 2014, 01:39:54 PM
How sad
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Sorry, but I have heavily invested in Sync and I need to protect my investment. We as a community should not tolerate know scammer on board of Synccoin. MsCollec didn't even bother to share proper statement with the community.
MsCollec took over Voot however MsCollec IS SYNC. So you have an issue with MsCollec you have an issue with SYNC. If you want to protect your "investment" sell now and leave. The price is still high.
you sell yours yet?
July 28, 2014, 01:39:48 PM
Everyone in SYNC likes MsCollec...
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
If you would like to discuss VOOT, there is a thread for that.
July 28, 2014, 01:39:25 PM
and once again - you are not welcome here - can you read ?
this is a sync thread with a lot of People behind as shwon yesterday - there is more then 1 Person needed to succeed - if all Kids are on voot - it is sad but we can do nothing to help you so post at another thread and troll there around
this is a sync thread with a lot of People behind as shwon yesterday - there is more then 1 Person needed to succeed - if all Kids are on voot - it is sad but we can do nothing to help you so post at another thread and troll there around
Yes, this is a sync thread and mscollec is part of sync. Lets not discuss voot, but discuss mscollec and how he is threat to sync's stability.
If you bothered to pay attention you would find that he didn't "move on to sync". He was on sync FIRST and then also took on voot when it needed a new dev.
i dont recognize him although im at the beginning of sync stay here - BUT he discusses voot not sync - and therefor ist not interesting me at all
if he go wrong with voot - ok sad - but im not invested in voot so he can blame it there not here - is that acceptable ?
July 28, 2014, 01:39:06 PM
How sad
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
whale 123
soul eater 123
funny coincidence that 123
and
bitcycle
I followed that whole voot fiasco
and although mscollec made an initial mistake of
putting out a statement
IT IS YOU VOOT HOLDERS who blew it all out of proportion
and shot yourselves in the foot!
You only have yourselves to blame as for sync
je is the sync dev he was the sync dev
LONG BEFORE voot even existed and he was asked by voot
to take over, he has every right to leave if he so wishes
and hes provided the coin with syncs nitesend technology
and organised smoke for you so gtfu of our forum.
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TRYING TO SABOTAGE OUR COIN
I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THIS
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED TO LEAVE AND IF YOU HAVE SYNC
SELL UP AND PISS OFF ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Sorry, but I have heavily invested in Sync and I need to protect my investment. We as a community should not tolerate know scammer on board of Synccoin. MsCollec didn't even bother to share proper statement with the community.
MsCollec took over Voot however MsCollec IS SYNC. So you have an issue with MsCollec you have an issue with SYNC. If you want to protect your "investment" sell now and leave. The price is still high.
MsCollec is NOT sync. the Sync Foundation is SYNC. Read up before you speak so you won't be ignorant.
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