Topic: [ANN][AUR] Auroracoin - a cryptocurrency for Iceland - page 141. (Read 506425 times)

Do you think we are all retarded? Yes, we know there is a national ID system. We know what information is in it.

What you should have had, before a single coin was mined, was a detailed plan you could give to an Icelander about how they will get coins. Step by step, no hand-waived half-assed explanations. A fucking pamphlet you give to someone treating them like they are in kindergarten, with nice full-color cartoons with each step of what they will do to get their coins.

Here's just a few questions that we don't know, that would be nice to be answered instead of being hand-waived away with a condescending comment:

Will there be a website doing automated live checks of the database directly? If so, what are all of the implementation details? What information will each citizen need to prove their identity? Each Icelander has access to this database, so how can it possibly be used as an authentication mechanism to prove identity?
If automatic checks won't be used, will people have to wait while a person checks each individual request?
Will people get physical objects with instructions for redeeming coins? If so, what? What materials will be used? Who will do it? Where's the money to buy all this material coming from?

You people want ME to do homework? You're the one who wants to make this work. This shouldn't even be an issue! You should have had full-proof step-by-step plans an idiot could follow before day 1.

If you supporters are actually for real then I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. You are trying to supplant a national currency, on an arbitrary deadline, without exact implementation details worked out ahead of time. You want to take away a government's seigniorage and control of the money supply. That alone will make this really fucking difficult, not even accounting for everything else. This task requires more than a few bronies half-assing it while constantly high on marijuana.

Can you please do as your told and do your homework!
Could you meanwhile not distract yourself and us on this forum 
That Might just bring you something good in life
Or Would you rather screech on for days and waste your and our time 
I Will promise you one thing, This was my last respons to You

Cheers 

We can all doubt the intentions because we are not mind readers and have no idea if the DEV intended for this coin to be a scam or not.

We can all doubt the actual distribution method because there is none.

If there was then the following questions would be answered:

Where are the websites and detailed TECHNICAL PROOF of any kind of coin delivery system.  Where are the WHITE PAPERS showing his plans to thwart hackers and folks who would try impersonate Icelanders via VPN or by generating fake National ID's via algorithm like a common key gen?  Where is the proof that the dev even has ACCESS to all the ID numbers in order to prove they come from the national database?  Where is his list of Icelandic addresses if he wants to send paper wallets?  

Let alone how is he going to explain what he is even giving away?  Contrary to popular belief, most folks don't even know what a BIT COIN is, let alone what a Auroracoin is.  Does the dev think that all these folks are going to get on a computer and take the weeks of reading and searching to find out wtf a crypto currency is, how exchanges work, how to convert to BTC/ Etc?  If he plans on delivering "paper wallets" who is going to explain to the common folks how the encryption keys work or how to "sweep" those keys to a physical wallet?  Where is his program for mass adoption of this coin in Iceland?  There isn't even a SINGLE place in Iceland that will accept this "coin".  NOT ONE STORE.  

He would have had to have MASSIVE (AND I MEAN MASSIVE!) youtube, twitter, blog-o-spere, and PUBLIC educational videos already available BEFORE the coin went live in order for this to have a chance in hell of ever working.  Even with ALL the above the chance's are still TINY that the country would adopt any crypto.  People on these forums just need a reality check of the fact that most people aren't even computer literate (sure they can get on facebook, and type out a few emails, but that is pretty much the extent of it) let alone able or WILLING to do all the research and experimenting with cryptos to even make it worth their while.

I could go on and on.

The reality is that there is nothing but WORDS on a website.

Only some anonymous coin dev making promises that he can't deliver.

No matter what happens with this coin it WILL BE bad for crypto's, and ALT COINS in particular.  This will be seen as another failure because the DEV of this coin did NOT do his homework BEFORE release.

This post is not FUD, nor is it an attempt to move price one way or the other.  It's just a fucking reality check to those of you who are blindly believing in the promises of some random person on the internet.  IF that isn't the definition of gullible, than I don't know what is.

If you want to go on about the short term profits of this coin, or how your market orders are doing well, fine.  I'm all about that.

But let's call a spade a spade and stop the bullshit about this coin actually doing ANYTHING positive for the folks in Iceland.

As they say... "PICS or it didn't happen!"  I say show me the PROOF instead of just WORDS on a website.

does anyone know why/when/how the manual withdrawals were removed from http://aur.pool-a.net/?

i hope i am missing something because it is idiotic to just turn off any option off manual payout

i can see all miners just leaving at the first autopayout

You can doubt the intentions not the actaul system.

Can, Could, Might, Would..... Will it?  Nope.

Fo anybody that wants to know more about national ID system in Iceland please feel free to check the link below.

http://bjss.bifrost.is/index.php/bjss/article/viewFile/63/65

It is clear that this idea can be executed via the ID system.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Your post says it all.  

You have a shit ton of money invested in equipment so you don't want the TRUTH to be made aware so the value of the coins you mined become worthless.

I totally get it.

You have a financial motivation, and that is completely understandable!

I wish you luck... my post still stands.

Even if you fly yourself over there (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL) you will not make a dent in the distribution of coins to over 300 THOUSAND people.

End of rant.

To set things straight:

I put in effort to this because I believe it has a serious chance of success and can contribute extremely to the global acceptance of crypto!
I do this not because some dev or any other entity pays me for it, I do this to support all my other efforts and assets I've put into the Crypto business so far!
I am a strong believer in doing things that need to be done if you want them to, that's why I am an internet entrepreneur for over 22 years
Things Ive done include a lot of studies and work, but also investing over 45K in equipment. That has brought me a lot so far including several K of AUR.
And yes, I'm one of the nut cases (IYO) that actually is going to fly to Iceland to support this! Maybe even hand out paper wallets to grandmothers

If you are really serious in getting answers, put aside your bowl of popcorn and actually start doing some homework first. After that, I will be the first to accommodate you with serious answers to educated questions

This is exactly my point.

Spot on.

As a person who's actual profession is "Technical Project Manager" I can tell you this distribution method with ZERO PLANNING hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding.

I totally get where you're coming from, community effort is great and all, but to be done properly the dev should have made a website, and posted on some message boards saying, "Hey I've got this idea, help me figure out how to do it, then once the plan is in place, we'll start the coin." BEFORE mining anything. Making a new coin isn't hard, so don't act like he's some kind of genius saint for copying a copy of a copy of a coin, which has been done hundreds of times already. That part isn't hard, the hard part is figuring out how to do this properly. Now the project is on a strict, arbitrary timeline.

Lack of proper planning only makes this less likely to succeed. If anybody really cared about making this a reality, the plan should have been in place before a single coin was mined.

If this fails, it will look bad for the crypto community. I mean holy crap, there's less than 3 weeks to the "airdrop" and we don't know the exact mechanism for it. It seems like this project is being treated like a final project for a class that everybody forgot to start until just before it was due.

By the way when I say "exact mechanism" I don't mean, "we're using a public database lolz". I mean, there should be a plan like, "Icelanders will go to this website, fill out this form, be verified this way, get the coins this way, with proof of receipt done this way...", or "This person is going to buy hundreds of thousands of stamps, envelopes, and letters, to send out codes to every Icelander, then they will redeem them this way, all using money that was raised from this source..."

Show it to me and all the folks on this forum. 

AND then explain how the DEV is going to use it to implement all the questions from my previous post.

Please let me re-quote that just for you a couple of times:

Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.
Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.

You're welcome  

The database is already public to ALL Icelandic inhabitants!!!!

So again one more time:

Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.

 

Using the whole "It's the community's responsibility" to do what the DEV or DEVS said he or they were going to do is a cop out.  No one is going to waste their time and energy to do so unless they are being paid.  And even if the DEV sets some bounties and asks for community involvement, done of that is going to be possible without the information I have already stated that the DEV or DEVS doesn't actually have.

If he/they did, then he/they would be proving it to the community right NOW, being as the "supposed" air drop is less than a month away.  

Seriously you zealots are deluded.

Maybe you should prey for Jesus Christ himself to magically appear on the doorsteps of all Icelanders with a new computer preloaded with a digital wallet full of Auroracoin!

I see exactly what you mean! That's why it puzzels me so how that company that got bought the other day by Facebook for 19 bilion dollars managed to get billions of people to use some sort of chatting software of them, while they only had a staff of 20?? What was that companies name again......

Wow, you really haven't done any research about Iceland at all, have you?

Actually I don't have any of these coins, never did.

You do realise, right, that simply shouting angry things at anybody who is questioning the validity of your claims, automatically voids your assertions?

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Critical thinking 101.

I never said that these things were going to be done, I merely pointed out that they could easily be done given Iceland's unique situation.

You, on the other hand, are just screaming insults at everybody and making bold. yet unsupported, assertions about how things are not going to be done because they are just words on a screen.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts mate. I appreciate the fact that you really took the time to actually bring it in a decent and nice way  

Yet I feel the need to respond to some of your thoughts:


You seem somehow unsure of any serious effort made to try and explain the plan behind this coin, yet you manage to give an absolute guarantee to the opposite? May I ask in response to see some pictures of actual proof of that statement?


I see your doubts and understand completely how you feel. But there is another way to look at this. Compare it to bitcoin, you started your "chime" with the right word, namely IDEA! This is all de dev had to introduce. Just like Satoshi Nakamoto did with only his whitepaper of a coin, later to become Bitcoin. But the dev did far more than just that, he paved the way voor a community (I mean guy's like us) to pick it up and together with him turn it into a success! And as one of the more serious contributors to this initiative I generated the feeling of trust along the way as I became more familiar with not only the real insights of the Dev, but far more important, the insights we as a community can bring together to really make this work!

You see, this is not done by a singel Dev (team), this can only work if the community behind it puts in its share. We all like Crypto because it takes control from banks and governments and gives is to us, the community. Therefor we (the community) must take that control, rather then sitting back and wait for a Dev-team to become the next bank that is the only one in control. That is exactly why Balduro has given us all the space to create our own control!

Have the DEV post the list of all THREE HUNDRED TWENTY THOUSAND Addresses to prove that he even has those addresses.  You can't because he doesn't and neither do you or any of the other zealots on this board. 

You are just spouting bullshit because you don't want the speculation value of your coins to crash.

Better to just keep your mouth shut than to spout of more stupidity.

Except miners don't have faith in the coin (which is understandable) and rather cash in now than gamble on the future.
Right now the coin can't even process transactions within a reasonable timeframe and the developers are MIA.

Besides, miners can't even dump right now because the developers forgot to implement KGW.