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legendary
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You still haven't explained how those legal issues in a couple of states prevented them from refunding all victims the actual USD value of their deposits, if they we're in such a good financial position?

The ponzi collapsed just like every other ponzi. Scammers realized that there isn't enough new cashflow to keep it going and shut it off. They are brazen enough to try another round with the X. Somehow magically there are no "legal issues" with that, right?

Bitconnect was only about cryptocurrency and the USD was just denoting the value of the BCC coins they would receive when they got around to converting them to BCC (you didn't have to convert the interest immediately as it was left in the lending wallet). Crypto companies can never deal in fiat currency without a lot more regulations and KYC etc.

Anyway, the truth is there are many of these types of websites coming out now with lending platforms. I suppose most don't allow US in the ICOs any more (bitconnectX excludes USA too).

I'm not asking about any other sites. Bitconnect - why didn't they refund their users in full? If they can't deal in USD I'm sure users would have been happy to receive BTC or ETH instead. According to you they were in great financial shape but they paid out in worthless tokens. Sounds a lot like a scam.

Furthermore, why did they shut off lending for EVERYONE if they had legal issues only in a couple of US states? And how exactly are they going to avoid those problems with their new scam - Bitconnect X?

Those are very simple questions based on your own statements. Do you have answers or not?

newbie
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This project is at critical dump position. Fear level increased thus profit in Bcc increase CryptoCurrency price rises is directly proportion to Fear
sr. member
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Re-monetizing YouTubers via Crypto-commodities
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Looks like Bitconnect & BitconnectX ISO will be dissolved and the deadline is supposed to be this month so I would think twice before investing in either coin people


"Soon, our cup runneth over with BCC and BCCX."

There was a new company formed with all the promoters (who now deny being directors?) ....interesting info I just heard about Glenn Arcaro (this was a week before the lending ended):

Listen at this time: https://youtu.be/saLPS6WKMAA?t=316


https://youtu.be/saLPS6WKMAA?t=316

I like the part where she states it's day ten of her cleanse so she's going out to get a smoothie. I reckon that ridding BitConnect outta her life is not part of her cleansing process ... just like that smoothie.


"Dude, it's ONLY day ten of my cleanse, so please allow me to pass so that I can enjoying cupping my favorite soft blue ball chair in my office."


"Sorry I was late but some dude was blocking me from entering the building, playing some sort of crypto police, investigating a crime that you and I both know wasn't committed."
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Looks like Bitconnect & BitconnectX ISO will be dissolved and the deadline is supposed to be this month so I would think twice before investing in either coin people


"Soon, our cup runneth over with BCC and BCCX."

There was a new company formed with all the promoters (who now deny being directors?) ....interesting info I just heard about Glenn Arcaro (this was a week before the lending ended):

Listen at this time: https://youtu.be/saLPS6WKMAA?t=316
sr. member
Activity: 728
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Re-monetizing YouTubers via Crypto-commodities
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10278342


Looks like Bitconnect & BitconnectX ISO will be dissolved and the deadline is supposed to be this month so I would think twice before investing in either coin people


"Soon, our cup runneth over with BCC and BCCX."
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https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10278342



Looks like Bitconnect & BitconnectX ISO will be dissolved and the deadline is supposed to be this month so I would think twice before investing in either coin people
full member
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https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10278342



Looks like Bitconnect & BitconnectX ISO will be dissolved and the deadline is supposed to be this month so I would think twice before investing in either coin people
sr. member
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So on the surface the marketing seemed deceptive but the massive returns were always paid on time so there was no real fraud perpetrated, especially considering 'all' cryptos are non-deliberate ponzis. The bitconnect system generated the company profits which they could use to invest and generate more income and coin growth. Many legitimate stocks end up at almost zero value due to people selling and companies failing but that doesn't make them a ponzi. On the other hand, bitconnect generated lots of income from the lending rates and so to call them a ponzi (when nearly all cryptos are already non-deliberate ponzis) is a bit far-fetched. They found a system which allowed them to grow their coin value while still generating huge profits (almost no other coin generates profits like that). The competition didn't help, but bitconnect was the first and should have been able to carry on if it wasn't for the bad press and legal issues.

You still haven't explained how those legal issues in a couple of states prevented them from refunding all victims the actual USD value of their deposits, if they we're in such a good financial position?

The ponzi collapsed just like every other ponzi. Scammers realized that there isn't enough new cashflow to keep it going and shut it off. They are brazen enough to try another round with the X. Somehow magically there are no "legal issues" with that, right?

Bitconnect was only about cryptocurrency and the USD was just denoting the value of the BCC coins they would receive when they got around to converting them to BCC (you didn't have to convert the interest immediately as it was left in the lending wallet). Crypto companies can never deal in fiat currency without a lot more regulations and KYC etc.

Anyway, the truth is there are many of these types of websites coming out now with lending platforms. I suppose most don't allow US in the ICOs any more (bitconnectX excludes USA too).


Bitconnect was proven to be a hyip/ponzi/pyramid/scam/evil scamish hyip ponzi pyramid scheme thus they ran away and you are the mastermind of this scammy circus
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So on the surface the marketing seemed deceptive but the massive returns were always paid on time so there was no real fraud perpetrated, especially considering 'all' cryptos are non-deliberate ponzis. The bitconnect system generated the company profits which they could use to invest and generate more income and coin growth. Many legitimate stocks end up at almost zero value due to people selling and companies failing but that doesn't make them a ponzi. On the other hand, bitconnect generated lots of income from the lending rates and so to call them a ponzi (when nearly all cryptos are already non-deliberate ponzis) is a bit far-fetched. They found a system which allowed them to grow their coin value while still generating huge profits (almost no other coin generates profits like that). The competition didn't help, but bitconnect was the first and should have been able to carry on if it wasn't for the bad press and legal issues.

You still haven't explained how those legal issues in a couple of states prevented them from refunding all victims the actual USD value of their deposits, if they we're in such a good financial position?

The ponzi collapsed just like every other ponzi. Scammers realized that there isn't enough new cashflow to keep it going and shut it off. They are brazen enough to try another round with the X. Somehow magically there are no "legal issues" with that, right?

Bitconnect was only about cryptocurrency and the USD was just denoting the value of the BCC coins they would receive when they got around to converting them to BCC (you didn't have to convert the interest immediately as it was left in the lending wallet). Crypto companies can never deal in fiat currency without a lot more regulations and KYC etc.

Anyway, the truth is there are many of these types of websites coming out now with lending platforms. I suppose most don't allow US in the ICOs any more (bitconnectX excludes USA too).
legendary
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https://bpip.org
So on the surface the marketing seemed deceptive but the massive returns were always paid on time so there was no real fraud perpetrated, especially considering 'all' cryptos are non-deliberate ponzis. The bitconnect system generated the company profits which they could use to invest and generate more income and coin growth. Many legitimate stocks end up at almost zero value due to people selling and companies failing but that doesn't make them a ponzi. On the other hand, bitconnect generated lots of income from the lending rates and so to call them a ponzi (when nearly all cryptos are already non-deliberate ponzis) is a bit far-fetched. They found a system which allowed them to grow their coin value while still generating huge profits (almost no other coin generates profits like that). The competition didn't help, but bitconnect was the first and should have been able to carry on if it wasn't for the bad press and legal issues.

You still haven't explained how those legal issues in a couple of states prevented them from refunding all victims the actual USD value of their deposits, if they we're in such a good financial position?

The ponzi collapsed just like every other ponzi. Scammers realized that there isn't enough new cashflow to keep it going and shut it off. They are brazen enough to try another round with the X. Somehow magically there are no "legal issues" with that, right?
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your completely wrong on stocks.Take a economics class. Stocks are based on intrinsic values.You can have net winners for generations to generations. on dow jones index funds or S&P 500 funds, also individuals stocks in rare cases e.g. coke stock someone held for 5 years profit, the next person 5 years profit, so on and so on. Yep day to day trading ,timing the markets, exactly you can string together net losers, and of course trading fees, fees similar cryptos.

That bit of large text (which I didn't quote here) was quoted from someone else but it was just trying to also explain how there is no real value to the stocks unless the profits of the company really affect the price. In actual fact, they do, but only because another company can acquire the stocks at a higher price if the company is successful (assuming no dividends or buy backs etc). If you imagine it's talking about cryptos, then it would be true most of the time that the company profits do not actually affect the price. They would be called a bubble or non-deliberate Ponzi so all winners will be matched by losers (no extra wealth is generated so it's a zero-sum game).
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A picture is worth a thousand words or, in this case, a con-trillion BCCX ...


I don't know what that was trying to show except prove that the volumes are really low and bitconnect didn't ever in their history seem to dump their BCC (how scam coins profit). They are even taking it as worth $150 in the new ICO. Also, aren't they raising $13million worth of cryptos every day? Not sure what your "U$.250M" figure was about. Assuming they aren't making it up, they could have made about $12million more each day if they didn't accept BCC for $150.

Many people think bitcoin is a bubble or 'non-deliberate' Ponzi (https://businesstech.co.za/news/finance/202958/what-bitcoin-has-in-common-with-the-mmm-ponzi-scheme-according-to-russia/  and https://news.bitcoin.com/professor-sec-bitcoin-penny-stock-ponzi/) and going by the history of the fiat currency and the lack of controls globally on money supply it has to be said it operates in a similar way with repeated boom and busts.

A scam Ponzi coin would collapse when the devs or owners dump the coins. The lending system actually offers protections against this to investors (now that you understand how all these cryptos are ponzis in the sense of being zero-sum). Even Amazon never offered dividends on its stocks and the price has risen at absurd rates from inception. The argument with stocks with no profit share or buy backs is that the company can be acquired at a premium if they are successful and this will obviously mean the shareholders could benefit in the future when companies make profit, unlike cryptos which don't need to be bought back when a company is acquired and don't act like normal shares. Even non-scam cryptos for the most-part including bitcoin are simply speculation and a zero sum game which most people should be aware of when investing (i.e. they are a non-deliberate Ponzi or speculative bubble).

I think if you look at it outside its marketing (their terms are pretty clear though that they can change the lending rates) BitConnect were never a Ponzi and they only paid rates sustainable compared to the growth of the coin. They generated wealth with the lending rates but the coin price still increased dramatically despite up to 100% per year staking inflation. There was no reason for this not to continue (probably with more sustainable interest rates) and they could have carried on generating profits for a while. I'm assuming they sold their extra BCC from the lending rates as profit to further grow, otherwise it would still act similarly to a share buy back by reducing the circulation of the coin. The bottom line is that the lending was profitable and also made lenders happy with their share of the return. They had been reducing their rates already so they never even got into their BCC reserves - something else that should make holders optimistic of the future.

So on the surface the marketing seemed deceptive but the massive returns were always paid on time so there was no real fraud perpetrated, especially considering 'all' cryptos are non-deliberate ponzis. The bitconnect system generated the company profits which they could use to invest and generate more income and coin growth. Many legitimate stocks end up at almost zero value due to people selling and companies failing but that doesn't make them a ponzi. On the other hand, bitconnect generated lots of income from the lending rates and so to call them a ponzi (when nearly all cryptos are already non-deliberate ponzis) is a bit far-fetched. They found a system which allowed them to grow their coin value while still generating huge profits (almost no other coin generates profits like that). The competition didn't help, but bitconnect was the first and should have been able to carry on if it wasn't for the bad press and legal issues.
jr. member
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Does anyone know why BCC is losing its price dramatically?? please explain??

It's just like as a pyramid scheme which they want to get out with your money . It's a scam project run by some professional HIYP scammers .
I can know this project as like as scam pyramid at the starting days and I did not join it . Many investors lost much money for this scam project.

How many times can you say pyramid and scam in one short post - must be a record. They are accepting BCC tokens for their new ICO BitconnectX and BCC markets have such low comparative volumes that it would be worthless for them to dump and also counterproductive (they already lose well over $10million a day from the initial panic-selling taking BCC for $150 as they would have raised $13million a day instead taking BTC and other coins)?

They are not losing anything. BCC and BCCX are tokens the made up out of thin air. The cost to the scammers is 0. "Selling out" isn't a fact either, scammers love to create FOMO. What matters is that they are promising unrealistic returns, don't have actual business income, and it will all end badly (again) for the same reason - ponzi schemes are unsustainable and only last as long as victims are willing to give them more money.

You're a persistent little fucker. Enjoy the red.

Well obviously the people who say the truth are often hated. So you are telling me that they are making up all the BCCX they sell each day? So even before they closed the lending they didn't receive $13million each day in BTC or equivalent assets? They are losing if they did always sell out because they are taking BCC tokens worth less than 10% of the price they are accepting for them and limited liquidity too at the moment.

So when you invest in any ICO, why is that not a Ponzi if the value of the token isn't really based on the success of the company as profits are not shared (at least with most stocks there is some eventual hope of a profit share or acquisition later on but someone buying a company that issued these crypto tokens in the past does not need to buy these tokens back)? Aren't these tokens usually a zero sum game so if the price goes up there has to be losers when people sell (i.e. all gains are from bringing in new people to buy the token at the expense of others)??

This is so obvious I never had to look any of this up to find these answers but I have now done a bit of digging and ask you to ponder this from someone (didn't bitconnect not only generate profits as the 'broker' but also from the lending too? This is unlike almost all other cryptos which are totally Ponzi-like):

"When you buy a stock, your money goes to the last person(s) that previously owned your shares – and to pay a fee for the transaction. The only generation of wealth comes from the transaction fees and that goes to the brokerage. The direction of the stock price is determined by the balance of people buying vs. selling the stock – a net buying forces the price up and a net selling forces it down. The degree depends on transaction volume and rate. The point being that not everyone who holds the stock in question can cash out at a net gain.
If you accept the fact that the activity of trading stocks has no way in itself of generating wealth, then it it is a short path to the conclusion that trading stocks can only transfer wealth (to the brokerage and to people who sell at a gain – all from people who sell at a loss)."

your completely wrong on stocks.Take a economics class. Stocks are based on intrinsic values.You can have net winners for generations to generations. on dow jones index funds or S&P 500 funds, also individuals stocks in rare cases e.g. coke stock someone held for 5 years profit, the next person 5 years profit, so on and so on. Yep day to day trading ,timing the markets, exactly you can string together net losers, and of course trading fees, fees similar cryptos.
legendary
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Of course the scammers profited, that's the point of the scam. But they didn't pay everyone back. Worthless made-up tokens are worthless. They should have paid back those dollars that they promised - should be easy since they were not in financial trouble? But they didn't. Therefore scam. Authorities tend to be interested in large scams.

Just throw him on ignore like I did, problem solved.

Kinda stupid to keep on defending it after it's collapsed with all the lawsuits going on. Im not sure he understands how bad it is to accrue a ton of neg trust, especially now that it's so much harder to rank up.
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A picture is worth a thousand words or, in this case, a con-trillion BCCX ...

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bccx stands for BitConneXt.. which literally means next scam
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Well obviously the people who say the truth are often hated. So you are telling me that they are making up all the BCCX they sell each day? So even before they closed the lending they didn't received $13million each day in BTC? They are losing if they did always sell out because they are taking BCC tokens worth less than 10% of the price they are accepting for them.

You use the word "obviously" in a way that makes me think you don't know what it means.

I'm saying that we have no way of knowing what's going on with BCCX. There is no transparency whatsoever. There is no way of knowing if they are selling out or if they're selling more than $13m worth.

So when you invest in any ICO, why is that not a Ponzi if they value of the token isn't really based on the success of the company as profits are not shared (at least with most stocks there is some eventual hope of a profit share or acquisition later on but someone buying a company that issued these crypto tokens in the past does not need to buy these tokens back)? Aren't these tokens usually a zero sum game so if the price goes up there has to be losers when people sell??

Your whataboutism is getting old. Bitconnect is a proven scam. That is not going to change even if there are other scams out there. Bitconnect is the scheme that blatantly promised high returns and then collapsed. If other ICOs do the same they're scams too but why don't you go post about that in their respective threads? Keep this on topic.


The reason I posted on this thread was that people like you kept saying bitconnect 'collapsed' when it is blatantly false. They profited hugely from the lending and were not in any financial troubles. So they didn't 'collapse' in the way most people think and could have carried on fine if it wasn't for all the 'scam' complaints and getting authorities interested. They never scammed anyone before they were forced to close the lending and still paid everyone back their loans early at the 15 day average market price.


so maybe you can tell me where i can find information about bccx, you seem to know a bit about bcc.

I don't think many people know much about it other than it is going to launch an exchange (which I suppose the X stands for)

I guess that explains why the daily quota of U$.250M worth of BCCX has been reached every day within minutes during its ICO - cuz not that many people know what it's about.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Like I've said, I want in on some of that action.  Cry
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Well obviously the people who say the truth are often hated. So you are telling me that they are making up all the BCCX they sell each day? So even before they closed the lending they didn't received $13million each day in BTC? They are losing if they did always sell out because they are taking BCC tokens worth less than 10% of the price they are accepting for them.

You use the word "obviously" in a way that makes me think you don't know what it means.

I'm saying that we have no way of knowing what's going on with BCCX. There is no transparency whatsoever. There is no way of knowing if they are selling out or if they're selling more than $13m worth.

So when you invest in any ICO, why is that not a Ponzi if they value of the token isn't really based on the success of the company as profits are not shared (at least with most stocks there is some eventual hope of a profit share or acquisition later on but someone buying a company that issued these crypto tokens in the past does not need to buy these tokens back)? Aren't these tokens usually a zero sum game so if the price goes up there has to be losers when people sell??

Your whataboutism is getting old. Bitconnect is a proven scam. That is not going to change even if there are other scams out there. Bitconnect is the scheme that blatantly promised high returns and then collapsed. If other ICOs do the same they're scams too but why don't you go post about that in their respective threads? Keep this on topic.


The reason I posted on this thread was that people like you kept saying bitconnect 'collapsed' when it is blatantly false. They profited hugely from the lending and were not in any financial troubles. So they didn't 'collapse' in the way most people think and could have carried on fine if it wasn't for all the 'scam' complaints and getting authorities interested. They never scammed anyone before they were forced to close the lending and still paid everyone back their loans early at the 15 day average market price.


so maybe you can tell me where i can find information about bccx, you seem to know a bit about bcc.

I don't think many people know much about it other than it is going to launch an exchange (which I suppose the X stands for)
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The reason I posted on this thread was that people like you kept saying bitconnect 'collapsed' when it is blatantly false. They profited hugely from the lending and were not in any financial troubles. So they didn't 'collapse' in the way most people think and could have carried on fine if it wasn't for all the 'scam' complaints and getting authorities interested. They never scammed anyone before they were forced to close the lending and still paid everyone back their loans early at the 15 day average market price.

Of course the scammers profited, that's the point of the scam. But they didn't pay everyone back. Worthless made-up tokens are worthless. They should have paid back those dollars that they promised - should be easy since they were not in financial trouble? But they didn't. Therefore scam. Authorities tend to be interested in large scams.

Authorities are interested and the class action lawsuit that was filled in florida is a good start but i highly doubt any justice will be served here. Maybe some of the big youtube promoters will get slapped on the wrist with something but thats probably it.

Unfortunately in the end the people who will be punished is the hardworking people who took money out of their savings to try and get in on some of this "bitcoin boom" stuff and were mislead by greedy/irresponsible promoters who got them to invest through their ref link...shame shame shammmeee on the promoters of this!


https://thebitcoinnews.com/bitconnect-faces-lawsuit-for-operating-wide-reaching-ponzi-scheme/

Even the story is saying bitconnect made millions from the lending and trading platform (so the returns they paid were never excessive compared to the growth of the coin). A mistake in the lawsuit seems to be this 'promise' of 1% a day which was never true. There was no guaranteed daily percentage and often they paid 0% (only the largest investments, not any reinvests, would guarantee a smaller percentage bonus on top of at least 0.1% to 0.25%).

By the way, why aren't people more interested in laser.online (Some actor known as Anthony Garley appeared towards the end of its life) which was a complete Ponzi scheme and stole everyone's BTC? It's because these are known to be HYIP and often people get into them knowing they will collapse. There are no laws against these crypto sites in UK at least, especially as most cryptos are just unbacked speculative assets even the top ones like bitcoin.
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The reason I posted on this thread was that people like you kept saying bitconnect 'collapsed' when it is blatantly false. They profited hugely from the lending and were not in any financial troubles. So they didn't 'collapse' in the way most people think and could have carried on fine if it wasn't for all the 'scam' complaints and getting authorities interested. They never scammed anyone before they were forced to close the lending and still paid everyone back their loans early at the 15 day average market price.

Of course the scammers profited, that's the point of the scam. But they didn't pay everyone back. Worthless made-up tokens are worthless. They should have paid back those dollars that they promised - should be easy since they were not in financial trouble? But they didn't. Therefore scam. Authorities tend to be interested in large scams.

Authorities are interested and the class action lawsuit that was filled in florida is a good start but i highly doubt any justice will be served here. Maybe some of the big youtube promoters will get slapped on the wrist with something but thats probably it.

Unfortunately in the end the people who will be punished is the hardworking people who took money out of their savings to try and get in on some of this "bitcoin boom" stuff and were mislead by greedy/irresponsible promoters who got them to invest through their ref link...shame shame shammmeee on the promoters of this!
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