Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 309. (Read 1151252 times)
August 27, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
I love wjhat you guys did with CLAMs
August 27, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
It looks good on the surface, but they take .5% when you withdraw, so that offsets their "better" deal.
Now if only that other site would cut their fee for staking...
Now if only that other site would cut their fee for staking...
0.5% of your whole amount? Or just the profit? Either way, it still sounds like a better deal.
I heard the other place is under pressure to get less customers, not more, and so dropping the staking fee would unfortunately be seen as anti-competitive. Or some shit.
August 27, 2015, 09:58:28 PM
It looks good on the surface, but they take .5% when you withdraw, so that offsets their "better" deal.
Now if only that other site would cut their fee for staking...
Now if only that other site would cut their fee for staking...
0.5% of your whole amount? Or just the profit? Either way, it still sounds like a better deal.
I heard the other place is under pressure to get less customers, not more, and so dropping the staking fee would unfortunately be seen as anti-competitive. Or some shit.
August 27, 2015, 08:19:35 PM
Coinwallet.co is legit but it's a online wallet.
I can stake in pool there
It looks like they will stake your CLAMs for you and only take 1% of your profits as commission, unlike some other site that I won't mention which gouges you for a whopping 10% of your profit!
It looks good on the surface, but they take .5% when you withdraw, so that offsets their "better" deal.
Now if only that other site would cut their fee for staking...
August 27, 2015, 03:20:58 PM
I have decided to feature the current Clam Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/clamclient) page on the left hand side of the following pages I manage
http://www.facebook.com/azfixphotos 5,800 + likes
http://www.facebook.com/Thailandadventure 93,000 + Likes and growing fast
I am running advertising directed at people who have an interest in Crypto-Currency and Travel. Hopefully I can kill two birds and get more eyes on this project.
I am in contact with the current owner of https://www.facebook.com/clamclient and will work on ideas for posting content at least once a month on the CLAMclient FB page
http://www.facebook.com/azfixphotos 5,800 + likes
http://www.facebook.com/Thailandadventure 93,000 + Likes and growing fast
I am running advertising directed at people who have an interest in Crypto-Currency and Travel. Hopefully I can kill two birds and get more eyes on this project.
I am in contact with the current owner of https://www.facebook.com/clamclient and will work on ideas for posting content at least once a month on the CLAMclient FB page
August 27, 2015, 01:16:09 PM
hi
l have a quick question,l m new to clam but confused a bit, is there anyone that make it clear for me,there are two website for Clams and l don t know which to follow?
Regards
l have a quick question,l m new to clam but confused a bit, is there anyone that make it clear for me,there are two website for Clams and l don t know which to follow?
Regards
The "official" website is www.clamclient.com. The "unofficial" one is www.clamcoin.org. IMHO the "unofficial" one is better designed(except maybe the "current supply ticker" at top of page, that needs a little work), but they both have the same and valid information. clamcoin.org is owned and run by a member of the community. I think clamclient.com is owned and developed by the clam developers(I am not too sure about this).
August 27, 2015, 01:10:27 PM
hi
l have a quick question,l m new to clam but confused a bit, is there anyone that make it clear for me,there are two website for Clams and l don t know which to follow?
Regards
l have a quick question,l m new to clam but confused a bit, is there anyone that make it clear for me,there are two website for Clams and l don t know which to follow?
Regards
August 27, 2015, 12:37:19 PM
Maybe that wallet was reused already from a previous project? It was not very successfull then probably.
But generally i think that point is some sort of unfair point of the initial distribution. I mean rewarding bitcoin users ok, but those that get the most reward are those that already are very rich because the have an exchange or something.
Though there doesn't come ideas to ming how this could have been made more fair then.
I don't think this point was fully addressed in SuperClam's answer.
Note that the CLAM client is open source. Any limit we put in the client could easily be changed or removed.
There is no network consensus rule about "digs per client per day", and there cannot be, because it is impossible to tell clients apart from each other.
To spend an initial-distribution output all you need to do is sign a transaction that spends it. Each initial-distrubition output was created using the BTC (or LTC, or DOGE) address' public key, and so to spend it you need the corresponding private key.
Any exploit that is able to spend other people's initial-distribution CLAMs on the CLAM blockchain would also be able to spend their BTC on the BTC blockchain, since exactly the same mechanism is used in both cases.
Yesterday I spent some time looking at the BTC addresses which were "dug" recently. I fed them into https://www.walletexplorer.com/ which calls itself a "Bitcoin block explorer with address grouping and wallet labeling". The idea is that for each BTC address you give it, it tells you which site's hot wallet the address is in.
It was unable to identify the wallet of very many of the dug addresses I tried. It was only able to identify the wallet of about 1% of the addresses I looked up, and in every case it identified them as being in the BetVIP.com wallet. BetVIP appears to have launched in March 2014 and shut down in June 2015. Here's a video of its founder talking in April 2015, claiming (at 0:30) that it officially launched in June 2014. I guess it's possible that their hot wallet was stolen by or sold to the digger, or that someone from BetVIP is the digger.
It seems unlikely that a relatively unknown site that launched just 2 months before (or one month after) the CLAM snapshot could have received 3% of the CLAM distribution, and so it remains a mystery where the bulk of the addresses have come from.
I'm not sure how accurate or complete walletexplorer.com is, but I would expect it to have shown up at least one hit on the MtGox or BTC-e wallets if it was them who were digging...
But generally i think that point is some sort of unfair point of the initial distribution. I mean rewarding bitcoin users ok, but those that get the most reward are those that already are very rich because the have an exchange or something.
Though there doesn't come ideas to ming how this could have been made more fair then.
- if we are saying many people should benefit from the dig, surely there should be a limit on clam clients on how many addresses they can dig, daily or over the lifetime
I don't think this point was fully addressed in SuperClam's answer.
Note that the CLAM client is open source. Any limit we put in the client could easily be changed or removed.
There is no network consensus rule about "digs per client per day", and there cannot be, because it is impossible to tell clients apart from each other.
To spend an initial-distribution output all you need to do is sign a transaction that spends it. Each initial-distrubition output was created using the BTC (or LTC, or DOGE) address' public key, and so to spend it you need the corresponding private key.
Any exploit that is able to spend other people's initial-distribution CLAMs on the CLAM blockchain would also be able to spend their BTC on the BTC blockchain, since exactly the same mechanism is used in both cases.
Yesterday I spent some time looking at the BTC addresses which were "dug" recently. I fed them into https://www.walletexplorer.com/ which calls itself a "Bitcoin block explorer with address grouping and wallet labeling". The idea is that for each BTC address you give it, it tells you which site's hot wallet the address is in.
It was unable to identify the wallet of very many of the dug addresses I tried. It was only able to identify the wallet of about 1% of the addresses I looked up, and in every case it identified them as being in the BetVIP.com wallet. BetVIP appears to have launched in March 2014 and shut down in June 2015. Here's a video of its founder talking in April 2015, claiming (at 0:30) that it officially launched in June 2014. I guess it's possible that their hot wallet was stolen by or sold to the digger, or that someone from BetVIP is the digger.
It seems unlikely that a relatively unknown site that launched just 2 months before (or one month after) the CLAM snapshot could have received 3% of the CLAM distribution, and so it remains a mystery where the bulk of the addresses have come from.
I'm not sure how accurate or complete walletexplorer.com is, but I would expect it to have shown up at least one hit on the MtGox or BTC-e wallets if it was them who were digging...
August 27, 2015, 12:35:18 PM
Coinwallet.co is legit but it's a online wallet.
I can stake in pool there
It looks like they will stake your CLAMs for you and only take 1% of your profits as commission, unlike some other site that I won't mention which gouges you for a whopping 10% of your profit!
So you suggest them?
By the way I saw you on the irc chat
August 27, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
I saw another post saying that CloudBet acquired BetVIP.
Here is an article that I saw regarding it also
http://www.igamingbusiness.com/news/bitcoin-operator-cloudbet-acquires-betvip-playerbase
Looks like CloudBet opened in Nov 2013.
Here is an article that I saw regarding it also
http://www.igamingbusiness.com/news/bitcoin-operator-cloudbet-acquires-betvip-playerbase
Looks like CloudBet opened in Nov 2013.
It's quite possible that the acquiring company didn't get a copy of the site's hot wallet. In fact it's likely they wouldn't, so that neither party has to trust the other with private keys.
I think there would be no risk in taking over their wallet. The wallets are sat up the way that the old addresses won't be reused anymore. So taking the old addresses in, after emptyingthe coins to an address only the new owner controls, would be an advantage for the users. Maybe even a needed one because old users might reuse old deposit addresses.
I don't see a risk by doing that.
August 27, 2015, 11:57:13 AM
Coinwallet.co is legit but it's a online wallet.
I can stake in pool there
It looks like they will stake your CLAMs for you and only take 1% of your profits as commission, unlike some other site that I won't mention which gouges you for a whopping 10% of your profit!
Now that, there is funny, I don't care who you are....
August 27, 2015, 11:46:41 AM
Updated digging chart:
Thank you Dooglus for the update and for your decision to bring these informations public :-)
You're definitively a trustable member of the community
August 27, 2015, 11:30:20 AM
Updated digging chart:
Most interesting. I'd be much obliged if you could post the full chart so I could get a sense of the proportion of the recent digging,
Cheers
Graham
August 27, 2015, 11:26:50 AM
Updated digging chart:
August 27, 2015, 11:23:08 AM
Coinwallet.co is legit but it's a online wallet.
I can stake in pool there
It looks like they will stake your CLAMs for you and only take 1% of your profits as commission, unlike some other site that I won't mention which gouges you for a whopping 10% of your profit!
August 27, 2015, 11:21:28 AM
I sent some clams to coinwallet.co to try
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
Coinwallet.co is legit but it's a online wallet.
I used them many time without problem.
Only few days ago, i have to contact them by email (because the withdraw of my clams havent worked) and they have responded and solved my issue fast.
I can stake in pool there
August 27, 2015, 10:57:52 AM
I sent some clams to coinwallet.co to try
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
Coinwallet.co is legit but it's a online wallet.
I used them many time without problem.
Only few days ago, i have to contact them by email (because the withdraw of my clams havent worked) and they have responded and solved my issue fast.
August 27, 2015, 10:52:12 AM
I sent some clams to coinwallet.co to try
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
false allarm got them, just slow
SORRY FOR MY PANIC
August 27, 2015, 10:05:10 AM
I sent some clams to coinwallet.co to try
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
On the clams blockchain I got 6 confirmations and on my wallet there nothing at all!!
Is coinwallet.co legit? Or they scammed me?
August 27, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
I still have a few coins in the wallet. profitable
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