[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1394.

iCEBREAKER

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Quote from: volyova on January 16, 2016, 05:07:10 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 12:30:32 PM

Quote from: wackyD on January 16, 2016, 03:25:54 AM

Wonder if the volume on Livecoin is real? Where has this exchange come from to erupt like this?

Livecoin is totally legit. Poloniex is a scam.

Everyone should move their BTC and DASH to Livecoin and trade there!

Why don't you be a nice guy and congratulate the DASH team and community on a job well done and a very nice price rise?

Because I remember when Willy, Karpeles's pet bot, used fake notional fiat to push the price of BTC to $1200.

http://www.coindesk.com/bot-named-willy-did-mt-goxs-automated-trading-pump-bitcoin-price/

And Livecoin isn't half as legitimate as Gox. At least we knew who ran Gox, and he was one of us (MagicalTux).

The real question is why you aren't being appropriately skeptical and cautious about some random exchange suddenly appearing and pumping an instamined soda machine coin with "bad crypto" up 45% in four days.

Hence my obligtory tounge-in-cheek "seems legit" posts. Even Bigrcanada got the joke, FFS. What is your malfunction? Conflict of interest?

TaoOfSaatoshi

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Tao being Tao...

toknormal

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Quote from: TaoOfSaatoshi on January 16, 2016, 06:27:06 PM

Yeah, it's a nice teaser. I really hope it succeeds, the boys have been working hard on this. It's a brilliant way to show off Dash's retail POS capability. To be Digital Cash, as Camosoul put it.

Indeed. The only thing that maybe didn't quite come across is that as far as security goes, InstantX only applies to the front end of the transaction , and that after a few minutes the long term mining confirmations do the consolidation just as with bitcoin. People reading that might think that InstantX was a replacement for mining confirmation rather than a compliment that boosts security right at the point where bitcoin's is weakest (or non-existent).

TaoOfSaatoshi

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Quote from: toknormal on January 16, 2016, 05:40:55 PM

This is a great interview. I just stumbled across it on the graph page that WCIR posted.

https://news.bitcoin.com/dash-powered-soda-machine-to-debut-at-miami-bitcoin-conference/

Yeah, it's a nice teaser. I really hope it succeeds, the boys have been working hard on this. It's a brilliant way to show off Dash's retail POS capability. To be Digital Cash, as Camosoul put it.

toknormal

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This is a great interview. I just stumbled across it on the graph page that WCIR posted.

https://news.bitcoin.com/dash-powered-soda-machine-to-debut-at-miami-bitcoin-conference/

Hippie Tech

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All cryptos are FIAT digital currency. Do not use.

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 04:12:43 PM

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 03:55:26 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 03:38:54 PM

Quote from: toknormal on January 16, 2016, 03:32:34 PM

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 02:21:09 PM

I think the fact that Cryptsy finished selling their coins 450K+ DASH sold over the last year took a lot of artificial sell pressure out of the market

Is it known that the coins were sold ? (As opposed to yet to be sold).

I think you were trying this trolling angle yesterday as well.

Quote from: Melech on January 15, 2016, 02:30:46 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 15, 2016, 02:27:42 AM

Where is the proof the 450k stolen Dash have been "sold off already?"

Follow the blockchain? They never once bothered to mix the coins...

Craptsy: 279k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?Xqi7sWthYKFPCK3KHcKq8BqY9vMcWy4r3t.htm

Mintpal: 40k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XwGVVdiVsdXQKZzuMnez4Y3NhpnadxSDsH.htm

Various exchanges: 202k (Craptsy, Craptsy, PoloniEx, GHash.IO, Bitfinex, Bitfinex)
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XxpMtTNa1RFuSya99A427mTKayGjYQys1v.htm

Unknown: 25k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XbjZ2Tv3kiUFdaKrjn2xYrxR3JEwmcWcaN.htm

Looks like they ran out around Nov 19, 2015 (last 6k from the 456k sent to Craptsy):
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2116889.htm

Of course they weren't mixed on Dash's blockchain, because Masternode Blinding is still a 'work in progress' or whatever.

Mixing 450k Dash-coins with Darksend would take at minimum 2^7688 years. The last quark would decay into strings and branes eons before they finished.

The only alternative is using cross-chain mixing via different exchanges, which is exactly what your post illustrates.

Any proof the coins went to different owners, or are you just assuming the hackers didn't sell to themselves as a cross-chain mixing/plausible deniability scheme?

Has Mullick "the wallet manager" been doxed ?

Is he Paul Vernon's sock or simply a useful idiot/ patsy/scapegoat ?

bigrcanada

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Quote from: WCIR on January 16, 2016, 04:52:28 PM

Dash bullish moment Dash (DASH) price index and social feeds

Which brings me to the question that I haven't gotten an answer too...who is livecoin.
who behind and where are the following exchanges:

Poloniex
Bittrex
Livecoin
c-cex
Bter

etc etc.

Is there a link listing the where abouts and whos behind these sites that is handling millions of dollars of our money?!?

volyova

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 12:30:32 PM

Quote from: wackyD on January 16, 2016, 03:25:54 AM

Wonder if the volume on Livecoin is real? Where has this exchange come from to erupt like this?

Livecoin is totally legit. Poloniex is a scam.

Everyone should move their BTC and DASH to Livecoin and trade there!

Why don't you be a nice guy and congratulate the DASH team and community on a job well done and a very nice price rise?

WCIR

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Dash bullish moment Dash (DASH) price index and social feeds

bigrcanada

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Quote from: BusterNutBag on January 16, 2016, 04:21:22 PM

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 04:06:28 PM

Icebreaker has been deleting any pro Dash posts from his moderated thread: "Dash collapsing Monero Up." So I am x posting this here away from his censorship. It seems that open discussion is only accepted when it favors him.

lol
nice

We're up 10 MILLION in Market cap from the posting - lol - 300K coins ago - lol
XMR has gone NO WHERE !!!

lol - I needed that - lol

lol. True that! I'll have to go there a cross post this back there again for historical reference. Wink

toknormal

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Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 04:06:28 PM

Icebreaker has been deleting any pro Dash posts...It seems that open discussion is only accepted when it favors him.

So iCEBREAKER's idea of "glorious" is when Dash's cap is only 3x XMR's as opposed to 5 x ?

I think if my ego was that crimped I'd just buy some and put myself out of my misery. (Commonly known as 'hedging' to traders without a chip on their shoulder you can drive a bus though).

Melech

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 04:12:43 PM

Quote from: Melech on January 15, 2016, 02:30:46 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 15, 2016, 02:27:42 AM

Where is the proof the 450k stolen Dash have been "sold off already?"

Follow the blockchain? They never once bothered to mix the coins...

Craptsy: 279k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?Xqi7sWthYKFPCK3KHcKq8BqY9vMcWy4r3t.htm

Mintpal: 40k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XwGVVdiVsdXQKZzuMnez4Y3NhpnadxSDsH.htm

Various exchanges: 202k (Craptsy, Craptsy, PoloniEx, GHash.IO, Bitfinex, Bitfinex)
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XxpMtTNa1RFuSya99A427mTKayGjYQys1v.htm

Unknown: 25k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XbjZ2Tv3kiUFdaKrjn2xYrxR3JEwmcWcaN.htm

Looks like they ran out around Nov 19, 2015 (last 6k from the 456k sent to Craptsy):
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2116889.htm

Of course they weren't mixed on Dash's blockchain, because Masternode Blinding is still a 'work in progress' or whatever.

Mixing 450k Dash-coins with Darksend would take at minimum 2^7688 years. The last quark would decay into strings and branes eons before they finished.

The only alternative is using cross-chain mixing via different exchanges, which is exactly what your post illustrates.

Any proof the coins went to different owners, or are you just assuming the hackers didn't sell to themselves as a cross-chain mixing/plausible deniability scheme?

I can only show what the blockchain shows, that they were slowly sent to various exchanges... after that I can't say for certain...

I assume they were sold because many of the addresses are marked as "cryptsy", "GHash.IO", "Poloniex", "Bitfinex", etc... which typically happens when a person withdrawals and marks the wallet as owned by the exchange... so I assume at least some of the coins were sold and withdrawn by other users who marked said wallets on cryptoid.info

But, you do have a point that some of them might have just been mixed and not sold (unlikely given the number of marked wallets)...

Who knows for sure? Do you have any proof that they were not sold? Any evidence I can find points to all 456k being sold by Nov 19, 2015

BusterNutBag

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Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 04:06:28 PM

Icebreaker has been deleting any pro Dash posts from his moderated thread: "Dash collapsing Monero Up." So I am x posting this here away from his censorship. It seems that open discussion is only accepted when it favors him.

lol
nice

We're up 10 MILLION in Market cap from the posting - lol - 300K coins ago - lol
XMR has gone NO WHERE !!!

lol - I needed that - lol

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 03:55:26 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 03:38:54 PM

Quote from: toknormal on January 16, 2016, 03:32:34 PM

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 02:21:09 PM

I think the fact that Cryptsy finished selling their coins 450K+ DASH sold over the last year took a lot of artificial sell pressure out of the market

Is it known that the coins were sold ? (As opposed to yet to be sold).

I think you were trying this trolling angle yesterday as well.

Quote from: Melech on January 15, 2016, 02:30:46 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 15, 2016, 02:27:42 AM

Where is the proof the 450k stolen Dash have been "sold off already?"

Follow the blockchain? They never once bothered to mix the coins...

Craptsy: 279k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?Xqi7sWthYKFPCK3KHcKq8BqY9vMcWy4r3t.htm

Mintpal: 40k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XwGVVdiVsdXQKZzuMnez4Y3NhpnadxSDsH.htm

Various exchanges: 202k (Craptsy, Craptsy, PoloniEx, GHash.IO, Bitfinex, Bitfinex)
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XxpMtTNa1RFuSya99A427mTKayGjYQys1v.htm

Unknown: 25k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XbjZ2Tv3kiUFdaKrjn2xYrxR3JEwmcWcaN.htm

Looks like they ran out around Nov 19, 2015 (last 6k from the 456k sent to Craptsy):
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2116889.htm

Of course they weren't mixed on Dash's blockchain, because Masternode Blinding is still a 'work in progress' or whatever.

Mixing 450k Dash-coins with Darksend would take at minimum 2^7688 years. The last quark would decay into strings and branes eons before they finished.

The only alternative is using cross-chain mixing via different exchanges, which is exactly what your post illustrates.

Any proof the coins went to different owners, or are you just assuming the hackers didn't sell to themselves as a cross-chain mixing/plausible deniability scheme?

Minotaur26

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Icebreaker has been deleting any pro Dash posts from his moderated thread: "Dash collapsing Monero Up." So I am x posting this here away from his censorship. It seems that open discussion is only accepted when it favors him.

Melech

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Quote from: toknormal on January 16, 2016, 03:32:34 PM

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 02:21:09 PM

I think the fact that Cryptsy finished selling their coins 450K+ DASH sold over the last year took a lot of artificial sell pressure out of the market

Is it known that the coins were sold ? (As opposed to yet to be sold).

Were they Cryptsy's own holdings or depositors ? Is this all part of the heist stuff ?

The Dash was slowly(?) sold off on various exchanges, around 30k/month for 16 months

The blockchain trail is quite clear and obvious (follow the output):
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?1120889.htm

They were depositor holdings, which is why people cannot withdraw...

The sad part is... the 456k Dash stolen from Craptsy, was mostly SOLD ON CRAPTSY!!! (350k+ of it) (proves incompetence and/or inside job)

Minotaur26

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 03:38:54 PM

Quote from: toknormal on January 16, 2016, 03:32:34 PM

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 02:21:09 PM

I think the fact that Cryptsy finished selling their coins 450K+ DASH sold over the last year took a lot of artificial sell pressure out of the market

Is it known that the coins were sold ? (As opposed to yet to be sold).

I think you were trying this trolling angle yesterday as well.

Quote from: Melech on January 15, 2016, 02:30:46 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 15, 2016, 02:27:42 AM

Where is the proof the 450k stolen Dash have been "sold off already?"

Follow the blockchain? They never once bothered to mix the coins...

Craptsy: 279k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?Xqi7sWthYKFPCK3KHcKq8BqY9vMcWy4r3t.htm

Mintpal: 40k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XwGVVdiVsdXQKZzuMnez4Y3NhpnadxSDsH.htm

Various exchanges: 202k (Craptsy, Craptsy, PoloniEx, GHash.IO, Bitfinex, Bitfinex)
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XxpMtTNa1RFuSya99A427mTKayGjYQys1v.htm

Unknown: 25k
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XbjZ2Tv3kiUFdaKrjn2xYrxR3JEwmcWcaN.htm

Looks like they ran out around Nov 19, 2015 (last 6k from the 456k sent to Craptsy):
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2116889.htm

bigrcanada

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 16, 2016, 03:38:54 PM

Hey...I asked that question earlier...you didn't get back to me?!? Huh

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: toknormal on January 16, 2016, 03:32:34 PM

Quote from: Minotaur26 on January 16, 2016, 02:21:09 PM

I think the fact that Cryptsy finished selling their coins 450K+ DASH sold over the last year took a lot of artificial sell pressure out of the market

Is it known that the coins were sold ? (As opposed to yet to be sold).

AlexGR

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Quote from: toknormal on January 16, 2016, 03:32:34 PM

Were they Cryptsy's own holdings or depositors ?

Well... if you leave your coins in the exchange, the exchange will eventually consider it "own holdings" after a while.

It happens every single time in crypto Grin

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