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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1530. (Read 9723858 times)

legendary
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Masternodes are as centralised or decentralised as miners.
And how it can be worse than a server based coinjoin?
He didn't even looked at it because it's altcoin  Roll Eyes

The quote is over a year and a half old as well.  I don't think there are many people that aren't trolls, that still talk like that about Dash/Darkcoin.  The last one was Peter Todd, who doesn't hold much respect anymore anyway.
hero member
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Masternodes are as centralised or decentralised as miners.
And how it can be worse than a server based coinjoin?
He didn't even look at it because it's altcoin  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Wot GMaxwell actually sed:


Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach.

CoinJoin is trustless— which is orthogonal with centralized or decentralized, it could be implemented several ways (though trustlessness is usually a prerequisite to a decenteralized implementation). Post 5 in the CoinJoin thread writes in depth about implementing it in a decenteralized way, none of which appears to have been implemented by the darkcoin developers as far as I can tell— from what I've heard it seems that they're not even able to understand it.

what DarkCoin does is highly centralized

"masternodes" does not sound like something decenteralized, it sounds like something that creates a small chokepoint which could be used to deanonymize its users, like a server based CoinJoin but worse since you have to hold a huge pile of coins to run a server.

From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity.



Fixed it for you.

Dash  Embarrassed
legendary
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Wot GMaxwell actually sed:

Quote
"A failure to understand these considerations [that "cryptographic systems are doing something which is fundamentally at odds with nature and share an incredible fragility and subtly as a result"] has resulted in a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software
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And on the other hand you're defending David Latapie.
By your own standards he is the biggest scammer  Shocked
Go kiddie
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Any alt coin that needs to setup a booth at a conference to promote itself is a red flag.

And any alt coin that needs to monotonously grate on other threads to promote itself is a white flag.  Wink


@smoothie WTF?  Seriously?  I can only laugh!
@toknormal, why bother?

Microsoft, Apple, Dell, HP, all set up tables at conferences to promote themselves, what is your point?  LOL, insane!

He only lives here, doesn't know anything about real world  Cheesy
Go kiddie
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
I'm here to make sure more newbies are not duped into buying into such a scamcoin as DASH
My rising Twitter follower count and Poloniex's thickening order book would suggest you're failing miserably, I'm afraid...
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Have you guys seen this exchange?

Very damning of the Dash "snake oil" HYIP scam!

Tok said cryptography 'wasn't a significant part' of cryptocurrencies.  He didn't say they don't require them, so what was your point?

Can you (or Tok) point to a part of a cryptocurrency which isn't cryptography?

Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency - even though it may share the first few letters. It works on a system of digital signatures.
It would seem that you actually do not understand what cryptography is in the modern sense.

A fundamental nature of information is that it wants to be freely copied everywhere to everyone. That any bit is equal and indistinguishable from any other bit of the same value and that any bit is eventually known to all who care.  Cryptography is all that technology by which we hope to confine and constrain the nature of information, to put up fences and direct it to our exclusive purposes, against all attacks and in defiance of the seemingly (and perhaps actually) impossible.  Digital signatures are cryptography by any modern definition and utilize the same tools and techniques (for example, a DSA signature is a linear equation encrypted with an additively homorphic encryption), and suffer from most of the same challenges as the message encryption systems to which you seem to be incorrectly defining cryptography as equivalent.  Moreover, the use of digital signatures isn't the only (or even most relevant) aspect of cryptography in cryptocurrencies-- e.g. the prevention of double spending of otherwise perfectly copyable and indistinguishable information in a decentralized system is a cryptographic problem which we address using cryptographic tools, and-- like all other practical cryptography-- achieve far less than perfect confidence in our solution. As are more modest ends like interacting with strangers but not being subject to resource exhaustion from them.

Far more so than other sub-fields of engineering, cryptographic systems are doing something which is fundamentally at odds with nature and share an incredible fragility and subtly as a result (and perhaps all are failures, we have no proof otherwise).

A failure to understand and respect these considerations has resulted in a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software.

I had been quietly amassing a little pile of Dash, but these two responses have crystalized the debate for me. BlockaFett got asked a question by a highly respected Bitcoin researcher and he is too afraid to answer, choosing instead to deflect and try point out Monero's failings (especially when the continuous shout of 'gui' is crap, I can see several options on the Monero website). toknormal got smacked down by a Bitcoin core developer for saying things I can only describe as childish rubbish.

I don't know if I'll ever buy Monero but I do know that Dash is perfectly described by gmaxwell in the post above: a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software.
My Dash is going to be sold over the next few days. I refuse to a cryptocurrency where the fanboys imagine that cryptography is uneccessary. What a stupid thing to say.

I suggest the Dash boys go read a book on crypto before they come back to this thread. They're embarassing themselves and they're embarrasing Evan Duffield. There's a very, very small chance Evan can come into this thread and respond to andytoshi and gmaxwell and redeem Dash from the mess these idiots have made...but I'm not holding my breath.

Wow!  Such #R3KT.

This is a relevant quote for context to the main supporters of dash and their scammy/shady behavior.
#DashDC  #Evolution #MexicoDF @CryptoArmada @AnonUpdatesNews @dailydecrypt @Dashpay @TaoOfSatoshi @laBITconf
legendary
Activity: 2492
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

Any alt coin that needs to setup a booth at a conference to promote itself is a red flag.

And any alt coin that needs to monotonously grate on other threads to promote itself is a white flag.  Wink


@smoothie WTF?  Seriously?  I can only laugh!
@toknormal, why bother?

Microsoft, Apple, Dell, HP, all set up tables at conferences to promote themselves, what is your point?  LOL, insane!

You fail to realize that DASH is NOT a company like Microsoft, Apple, Dell, HP.

 Roll Eyes
#DashDC  #Evolution #MexicoDF @CryptoArmada @AnonUpdatesNews @dailydecrypt @Dashpay @TaoOfSatoshi @laBITconf
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Have you guys seen this exchange?

Very damning of the Dash "snake oil" HYIP scam!

Tok said cryptography 'wasn't a significant part' of cryptocurrencies.  He didn't say they don't require them, so what was your point?

Can you (or Tok) point to a part of a cryptocurrency which isn't cryptography?

Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency - even though it may share the first few letters. It works on a system of digital signatures.
It would seem that you actually do not understand what cryptography is in the modern sense.

A fundamental nature of information is that it wants to be freely copied everywhere to everyone. That any bit is equal and indistinguishable from any other bit of the same value and that any bit is eventually known to all who care.  Cryptography is all that technology by which we hope to confine and constrain the nature of information, to put up fences and direct it to our exclusive purposes, against all attacks and in defiance of the seemingly (and perhaps actually) impossible.  Digital signatures are cryptography by any modern definition and utilize the same tools and techniques (for example, a DSA signature is a linear equation encrypted with an additively homorphic encryption), and suffer from most of the same challenges as the message encryption systems to which you seem to be incorrectly defining cryptography as equivalent.  Moreover, the use of digital signatures isn't the only (or even most relevant) aspect of cryptography in cryptocurrencies-- e.g. the prevention of double spending of otherwise perfectly copyable and indistinguishable information in a decentralized system is a cryptographic problem which we address using cryptographic tools, and-- like all other practical cryptography-- achieve far less than perfect confidence in our solution. As are more modest ends like interacting with strangers but not being subject to resource exhaustion from them.

Far more so than other sub-fields of engineering, cryptographic systems are doing something which is fundamentally at odds with nature and share an incredible fragility and subtly as a result (and perhaps all are failures, we have no proof otherwise).

A failure to understand and respect these considerations has resulted in a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software.

I had been quietly amassing a little pile of Dash, but these two responses have crystalized the debate for me. BlockaFett got asked a question by a highly respected Bitcoin researcher and he is too afraid to answer, choosing instead to deflect and try point out Monero's failings (especially when the continuous shout of 'gui' is crap, I can see several options on the Monero website). toknormal got smacked down by a Bitcoin core developer for saying things I can only describe as childish rubbish.

I don't know if I'll ever buy Monero but I do know that Dash is perfectly described by gmaxwell in the post above: a lot of harmful garbage and dysfunctional software.
My Dash is going to be sold over the next few days. I refuse to a cryptocurrency where the fanboys imagine that cryptography is uneccessary. What a stupid thing to say.

I suggest the Dash boys go read a book on crypto before they come back to this thread. They're embarassing themselves and they're embarrasing Evan Duffield. There's a very, very small chance Evan can come into this thread and respond to andytoshi and gmaxwell and redeem Dash from the mess these idiots have made...but I'm not holding my breath.

Wow!  Such #R3KT.
legendary
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You guys remember all of those litecoin booths at previous conferences??

Oh wait...
There were none.
So along with pioneering advanced crypto technology, Dash is also pioneering a community outreach strategy? No wonder the bids are thickening...

So far...

Peter Todd : "dash is snake-oil crypto"

Gmaxwell: "harmful garbage and dysfunctional software"

This is what Pioneers in Bitcoin have to say about DASH ^

Oh yes, the Bitcoin Devs. They have never added a shred of evidence to back up their outlandish statements. But keep posting in technicolor, that'll change people's minds...
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

Any alt coin that needs to setup a booth at a conference to promote itself is a red flag.

And any alt coin that needs to monotonously grate on other threads to promote itself is a white flag.  Wink


@smoothie WTF?  Seriously?  I can only laugh!
@toknormal, why bother?

What I find funny still is you both seem to think I am here to promote another coin.

When in fact I am here to expose a scam coin called Dash.

Typical scammy/shady tactics to deflect why I post here in this thread.



Dash having a booth at a conference (unlike say Litecoin as an example) is a red flag. Any coin that needs to promote itself at a bitcoin conference (i.e. ripple) is likely a scam/bullshit coin.


I'm here to make sure more newbies are not duped into buying into such a scamcoin as DASH
#DashDC  #Evolution #MexicoDF @CryptoArmada @AnonUpdatesNews @dailydecrypt @Dashpay @TaoOfSatoshi @laBITconf
legendary
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legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
Troll Fail: A thickening Dash order book on Poloniex.

What's that have to do with anything?

I can't think of a better way for the public to conclude that this is an asset they want to invest in. The community is growing, developers joining, people noticing. I think you'll find soon enough that our "slump" is most definitely over.
legendary
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Any alt coin that needs to setup a booth at a conference to promote itself is a red flag.

And any alt coin that needs to monotonously grate on other threads to promote itself is a white flag.  Wink


@smoothie WTF?  Seriously?  I can only laugh!
@toknormal, why bother?

Microsoft, Apple, Dell, HP, all set up tables at conferences to promote themselves, what is your point?  LOL, insane!
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
You guys remember all of those litecoin booths at previous conferences??

Oh wait...
There were none.
So along with pioneering advanced crypto technology, Dash is also pioneering a community outreach strategy? No wonder the bids are thickening...

Pioneer?

Psssh.

More like pioscamming.

Where is dash's source code peer reviews? I would like to see what neutral parties who have a deep knowledge of crypto currency code bases thinks of dash.

So far...

Peter Todd : "dash is snake-oil crypto"

Gmaxwell: "harmful garbage and dysfunctional software"

This is what Pioneers in Bitcoin have to say about DASH ^
#DashDC  #Evolution #MexicoDF @CryptoArmada @AnonUpdatesNews @dailydecrypt @Dashpay @TaoOfSatoshi @laBITconf
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1188

Any alt coin that needs to setup a booth at a conference to promote itself is a red flag.

And any alt coin that needs to monotonously grate on other threads to promote itself is a white flag.  Wink
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Troll Fail: A thickening Dash order book on Poloniex.

What's that have to do with anything?

Dash has been in a slump for a long while
And a super thin order book that amounts to less than 17 masternodes being able to sell into bid depth.


Nothing to brag about.

Most likely one person *cough* OTOH *cough* holding up the price.
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
You guys remember all of those litecoin booths at previous conferences??

Oh wait...
There were none.
So along with pioneering advanced crypto technology, Dash is also pioneering a community outreach strategy? No wonder the bids are thickening...
hero member
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Gotta love this guy for following Dash  Cheesy
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