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Quote from: Minotaur26 on November 29, 2015, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: pille on November 29, 2015, 10:19:02 AM

And any progress news about the new website?

About the new website it is going well, although right now the focus is on preparing materials and the presentation for the upcoming conference. On the website, I think we will have time for community discussion and feedback too we are shooting for early next year but it has a lower priority than the the Bitcoin Miami presentation and Evolution development so that takes precedence.

From Dastalk.org https://dashtalk.org/threads/october-2015-budget-proposal.6234/

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Website and Design - $5000+ - Part 1 of 2

We have contracted a company to design our new fancy website and develop the software to run it. This is going to be quite the improvement over our existing website and we look forward to showing everyone!

Once we have the website built, we will ask for a second budget to reimburse the rest of the money that was spent.

You have already collected $5000 for this proposal, now suddenly it is "lower priority" ?

Why would your conferences hinder website development thats been contracted out to a third party?

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Quote from: pille on November 29, 2015, 10:19:02 AM

Minotaur26 can you tell if this I2P thing is dead please? Or is there still hope? Maybe it's needless with the coming meganet from dotcom anyway.

And any progress news about the new website?

Hi the first question is probably better for Evan, my understanding is that some IP Obfuscation will come through the use of the Decentralized API, meaning using the masternode network to execute commands so that the actual message comes out of a masternode quorum and not directly from your client thus granting you some privacy. We are still at early stages so take it with a grain of salt, that is why all available information and ideas will be open for discussion next Sunday so feedback can start and we go to the Miami presentation late January with a model that has been validated with the community and revised where necessary.

About the new website it is going well, although right now the focus is on preparing materials and the presentation for the upcoming conference. On the website, I think we will have time for community discussion and feedback too we are shooting for early next year but it has a lower priority than the the Bitcoin Miami presentation and Evolution development so that takes precedence.

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Quote from: qwizzie on November 29, 2015, 10:22:26 AM

Quote from: pille on November 29, 2015, 10:19:02 AM

And any progress news about the new website?

you mean this one : https://www.dash.org/ ?

No, thats "only" the domain, I know about that. There was a budget about $5000 for a completely new web design and development.

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* Master Nodes These nodes handle the mixing through random selection -

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They are responsible for being the authority of what goes into the joined transaction each session.

eduffield, 21 February 2014 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5282966

This is how the algorithm currently works. Users submit lists of inputs and outputs, the masternodes either accept them or deny them. If the inputs and outputs violate a privacy rule (they must be uniform, etc), then the user will be denied access to DarkSend. Selection of the nodes to use is also random... what's the issue?

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* I2P:

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I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend.

eduffield, 10 May 2014. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6643662

We decided this wasn't a priority because we have built in Tor support.

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* Ring signatures are going to be implemented in V2.

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I will begin development immediately after I opensource V1.

eduffield, 12 May 2014. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6686819

This was during the exploration of Darksend and other technologies, I hadn't made up my mind about the direction of the project yet. By the way, this is currently where the evolution project is at, there are many parts of it that are up in the air and we're figuring out what will make the best implementation possible, then we're going with that. This is just how development works for really adventurous projects. Is anyone else creating multiple tier p2p networks capable of paying autonomous agents that provide service for the network?

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*IP obfuscation 12 May 2014
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6694377

To implement IP obfuscation it would push Evolution back about 2-3 months, then we would use it in v12 for about a year, then throw it out as soon as evolution came along, then I would have to redo the work again....What sense does that make?

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Quote from: pille on November 29, 2015, 10:19:02 AM

And any progress news about the new website?

You mean this one : https://www.dash.org/ ?

The feeds do look a bit noisy though :

Maybe there is a way to differentiate them a bit from each other ?

pille

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Minotaur26 can you tell if this I2P thing is dead please? Or is there still hope? Maybe it's needless with the coming meganet from dotcom anyway.

And any progress news about the new website?

qwizzie

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One thing? Where did you learn to count? Grin

damn, you are the second person to point me on my lack of math skills Grin

arielbit

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Welcome to my dream..ok..back to topic."what's investment per se got to do with points raised by dnaelor"?

Many people are invested in DASH, contrary to his 'points', and the few people who back his 'points' are invested in a competing coin.

a newbie explains while the legendary keeps quiet..that is a beautiful explanation

..you are just reiterating what i said earlier : in other words.. "you are obviously not one of us"

so it all came to this....you are not one of us/you are not invested in the coin...and go fuck yourself.

aaaaannndd here we are and we are going to discuss the "points" Grin

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Quote from: pille on November 29, 2015, 08:33:16 AM

Quote from: dnaleor on November 29, 2015, 06:10:59 AM

The thing is that he promises a lot and doesn't deliver.
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Aha? Tell me only ONE example please.

Only thing a can rembember that isn't ready today is Two-factor authentication, but that has no priority.

You were given 4 examples on the previous page. How did you miss that? Roll Eyes

Two-factor authentication is the only one you can remember? What happened to Masternode blinding? github link below goes 404. Blinding was never implemented despite being "working", and despite Evan's promises that it was only being delayed due to mobile wallets

Quote from: eduffield on March 03, 2015, 04:14:48 PM

Masternode blinding is working Grin

It's super fast, secure and should reduce mixing time by 80%+

https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commits/masternode-blinding

Quote from: eduffield on March 10, 2015, 10:40:59 AM

There is NO issue with Darksend, in fact the new masternode blinding system is quite impressive.

Quote from: eduffield on April 09, 2015, 03:30:41 PM

************ Please Update To 11.2.22! ****************

- DS Speed Improvements : Darksend should be lightning fast now on mainnet. We're going to delay the implementation of masternode blinding because there's two separate mobile wallets that are in the process of implementing Darksend and the reference implementation needs to be super stable during this period of time. Once we have the mobile wallets done (which should have Darksend and InstantX support) we can move back to improving Darksend.

The new masternode blinding system is SO impressive he couldn't figure out how to implement it Roll Eyes

Instead, Evan decided to just lie to everyone that Masternode blinding is delayed due to excuses, then never speak about it again.

#FAIL

Quote from: GhostPlayer on November 29, 2015, 09:32:13 AM

Pure comedy!

Quote from: qwizzie on November 29, 2015, 09:38:14 AM

Trolls are good for one thing and one thing only :

Providing a good laugh once a while to anyone reading this forum

Are you calling eduffield a troll? I suppose "Blinding is ready and working!" then never implementing it or speaking about it ever again could be considered a form of trolling.

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Quote from: dnaleor on November 29, 2015, 06:10:59 AM

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Welcome to my dream..ok..back to topic."what's investment per se got to do with points raised by dnaelor"?

Many people are invested in DASH, contrary to his 'points', and the few people who back his 'points' are invested in a competing coin.

I'm actually invested in BTC and Sia at the moment, and I still think it's valid. He said he was gonna do a lot of shit and DID apparently back down. Dunno if he had explanations for it, though.

He probably changed his mind.

Being critical of a coin/dev/community on a technical or ethical basis is fine, especially when it's done in a civilised manner. You would fall in that camp. When it's done ad nauseum, in an aggressive, militant manner, by a group of individuals who are invested in a competing coin - well, the motivation is obvious.

Yes, that is the whole point. The development team will change its mind, revise priorities and features and adapt to changing market conditions. That is one of the main strengths.

The scope of the project changed from the early days, Dash is not only building a privacy coin, that is only one aspect, it is building an all around better coin that is easy and practical to use for service developers and end users.

You present ideas that were floated around and decided against as "undelivered promises" that is fine suit yourself.

Dash Evolution started as ideas, then some documenting and basic coding was completed you need to have something to be able to share it. Next week in the LATAM Bitcoin conference, current documentation and basic code will be shared with the community so that we can start gathering feedback and discussing in more detail. And yes, changes will be made and ideas revised if there are new and better ideas that come from the community.

qwizzie

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Trolls are good for one thing and one thing only :

Providing a good laugh once a while to anyone reading this forum

Unifying and strenghtening a community

For sacrifice purposes, to appease the crypto gods

To put on ignore

GhostPlayer

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Quote from: qwizzie on November 29, 2015, 09:27:35 AM

these trolls try soo hard to spread fud and fail sooo hard... its almost laughable if it wasn't so sad to watch.

Dash Evolution disclosure imminent, T minus 6 days

Dude, I swear... this thread to me is like those TV shows with home video footage of stuff that goes wrong... like bloopers, but I forget the name right now...

You know, silly real day stuff that unfortunately happen?

Well, this is sort of like that! Pure comedy! Grin

qwizzie

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These trolls try soo hard to spread fud and fail sooo hard... its almost laughable if it wasn't so sad to watch.

Dash Evolution disclosure imminent, T minus 6 days

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Quote from: pille on November 29, 2015, 08:33:16 AM

Quote from: dnaleor on November 29, 2015, 06:10:59 AM

The thing is that he promises a lot and doesn't deliver.
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Aha? Tell me only ONE example please.

Only thing a can rembember that isn't ready today is Two-factor authentication, but that has no priority.

You were given 4 examples on the previous page. How did you miss that? Roll Eyes

Quote from: eduffield on March 03, 2015, 04:14:48 PM

Masternode blinding is working Grin

It's super fast, secure and should reduce mixing time by 80%+

https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/commits/masternode-blinding

Quote from: eduffield on March 10, 2015, 10:40:59 AM

There is NO issue with Darksend, in fact the new masternode blinding system is quite impressive.

Quote from: eduffield on April 09, 2015, 03:30:41 PM

The new masternode blinding system is SO impressive he couldn't figure out how to implement it Roll Eyes

Instead, Evan decided to just lie to everyone that Masternode blinding is delayed due to excuses, then never speak about it again.

#FAIL

pille

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* I2P:

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I'm implementing I2P into the masternodes. We're going to have our own private network just for DarkSend.

eduffield, 10 May 2014. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6643662

That's indeed what I'd like to get stated from Evan too.

pille

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Quote from: dnaleor on November 29, 2015, 06:10:59 AM

The thing is that he promises a lot and doesn't deliver.
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Aha? Tell me only ONE example please.

darksend - delivered
open source darksend - delivered
instantX - delivered
decentralized governance - delivered
get rid of the reference node - delivered
electrum - delivered
$20k domain, not promised - delivered

Only thing a can rembember that isn't ready today is Two-factor authentication, but that has no priority. There is absolutely no worry that the beta of Evolution will be ready and open source to the public within the next two months.

PS: enjoy 'stress test by millions of users' on Moroono

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Quote from: Macrochip on November 29, 2015, 02:56:26 AM

Wrong. That was a side note. His actual retort was the simple truth: That no one gives a flying fuck except the Flying Dutchmad himself and his few Moronero-driven friends with a pathetic agenda to push the non-competition Trollero.

The favorite Dashtard lie to tell themselves and others: "but... but....no one cares!"

Keep telling yourselves that.

BTW if you think "Evan wiped the floor" with anyone you're delusional. Watch the video again, Evan looks like a little weasel. He's completely embarrassed that he failed to hide the instamine and that people are now wise to his antics.

Eduffield and minotaur26 thought investors are so stupid that they could get aware with a 30%+ fraud instamine. Good luck with that

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Quote from: dnaleor on November 29, 2015, 06:10:59 AM

Dnaleor...seriously, You need to spend some time figuring out a your shit coins own development! .... Your awfully worried about our development.... Which is flattering, but it's showing it's self as desperation and we can all smell the fear that you have... That you may have backed the wrong coin. By now your painfully aware of the size of our full time development team is growing to nearly a dozen plus.... But in case you missed the last announcement... I'm going to bump it forward shortly. Bring some tissues to your next meet up... Leave the brochures at home... Cause your going to need it for the crying. Wink

qwizzie

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Welcome to my dream..ok..back to topic."what's investment per se got to do with points raised by dnaelor"?

Many people are invested in DASH, contrary to his 'points', and the few people who back his 'points' are invested in a competing coin.

I'm actually invested in BTC and Sia at the moment, and I still think it's valid. He said he was gonna do a lot of shit and DID apparently back down. Dunno if he had explanations for it, though.

He probably changed his mind.

Being critical of a coin/dev/community on a technical or ethical basis is fine, especially when it's done in a civilised manner. You would fall in that camp. When it's done ad nauseum, in an aggressive, militant manner, by a group of individuals who are invested in a competing coin - well, the motivation is obvious.

Yep, very obvious... its the line between asking critical questions and spreading fud.

Critical questions : from an objective need to know more about a certain topic, a form of fact-finding search
Spreading fud : from fear and insecurity towards something (Dash) or someone (Dash main dev)

What most people dont realise is that when they post in a well-read ANN thread like this one, the opinions of those reading this thread will influence them beyond just this thread.
If a person that keeps spreading fud in here decides one day to post in another section of the bitcointalk forum, they bring their troll reputation with them. Actions have consequences and all that.

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Welcome to my dream..ok..back to topic."what's investment per se got to do with points raised by dnaelor"?

Many people are invested in DASH, contrary to his 'points', and the few people who back his 'points' are invested in a competing coin.

I'm actually invested in BTC and Sia at the moment, and I still think it's valid. He said he was gonna do a lot of shit and DID apparently back down. Dunno if he had explanations for it, though.

The thing is that he promises a lot and doesn't deliver.
How will Evolution turn out? Stealth development, no public testing, no peer review, nothing.

Will he "change his mind" about certain aspects as well?

The cool wallet features will probably stay. It's nice and shiny. But will he deliver on default instant mixing? And if so, when?
Will it work? Will is keep working when stress tested by millions of users? Is it safe to sue? No attack vectors on the anonymity side?

FYI: there are coins out there that already have default instant mixing that do have some "thumbs up" from reputable bitcoin/crypto people