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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1576. (Read 9723858 times)

legendary
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Breaking news...

At the beginning of November 2015, a directive was issued to commence 'operation noise'. Operation noise is a campaign is to flood all relevant bitcointalk forums to wash out any positive information or vibe about DASH with 'monero truth'.

Sir rpietila has vowed to enter the battlefield himself to take part in the final victory. (ROFL)

...stay tuned folks..... Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/null-input-error-1233817

Funny, a lot of those names on their list of active members and developers are written in several times and even then you don't count more than 15 of 'em.  Pretty sad small bunch.  Good luck to 'em.
sr. member
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my problem with the cloak instamine was that they mined the total initial coin supply (4.5m) in 7 days and went to a highly inflationary 6% POS reward. this unfairly gave all the coins that could ever be mined to a very small group of people who then staked it @ a whooping 6% and controlled the supply. i knew that type of distribution model was doomed to fail.

I'm pretty sure the masternode PoS rewards rate is higher than 6% and certainly was much higher when the number of masternodes was lower.


i hope you are just trolling and playing dumb. unlike cloak not all the coins were mined in the first 7 days. we still have millions of pow coins to balance things out and keep things fair.

troll harder next time, or better yet work on an official gui. over half your coin supply is mined and y'all still don't have a official gui, lol. and you call yourself a dev, pathetic. start deving and quit trolling.

Get the facts right at least. The millions of PoW Dash coins won't be mined for hundreds of years.

- Coins will cease to be generated near the year 2300

In the same 200 years, the Monero 0.3/minute tail reward will produce about 31 556 736 coins, meaning more than "half [the] coin supply" is not mined.

In fact, at some point Monero becomes slower than Bitcoin, and slower than Dash for that matter. (Graphs showing the double intersection with Bitcoin were posted, maybe someone else has a link to that.)

You're still welcome in the Monero community now that you are properly informed it has the kind of slow and fair distribution that you like.



I'm sold.  I'm cashing in my MNs and jumping to Scamero. 
























































not.
legendary
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my problem with the cloak instamine was that they mined the total initial coin supply (4.5m) in 7 days and went to a highly inflationary 6% POS reward. this unfairly gave all the coins that could ever be mined to a very small group of people who then staked it @ a whooping 6% and controlled the supply. i knew that type of distribution model was doomed to fail.

I'm pretty sure the masternode PoS rewards rate is higher than 6% and certainly was much higher when the number of masternodes was lower.


i hope you are just trolling and playing dumb. unlike cloak not all the coins were mined in the first 7 days. we still have millions of pow coins to balance things out and keep things fair.

troll harder next time, or better yet work on an official gui. over half your coin supply is mined and y'all still don't have a official gui, lol. and you call yourself a dev, pathetic. start deving and quit trolling.

Get the facts right at least. The millions of PoW Dash coins won't be mined for hundreds of years.

- Coins will cease to be generated near the year 2300

In the same 200 years, the Monero 0.3/minute tail reward will produce about 31 556 736 coins, meaning more than "half [the] coin supply" is not mined.

In fact, at some point Monero becomes slower than Bitcoin, and slower than Dash for that matter. (Graphs showing the double intersection with Bitcoin were posted, maybe someone else has a link to that.)

You're still welcome in the Monero community now that you are properly informed it has the kind of slow and fair distribution that you like.

legendary
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One is famous for Lealeana physical BTC/LTC, the other for being the public face of Monero.

If you were involved in Bitcoin community beyond pushing the Dash scam, you would have known that.

fluffypony was well known before Monero, for Openrigs: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/interview-fluffypony-open-rigs-owner-long-time-miner/


I remember him :-), like here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29729.100   
Not to dig any further
And did you nice put inside " Dash scam" ... Isn't it painting all you post?

I'm not sure your point but I included the second line because it made the point about not knowing what is going on in the wider community. I've never been heavily involved with GPU mining but I had heard for openrigs.


My point is
1. I remember many complaints about those rigs and not at all in favor of fluffy
2. What is "Dash scam" part doing in "point about not knowing what is going on in the wider community"?
 I noticed you repeating it in various contexts, giving me conclusion that purpose of all your posting is - just that, to wrap "Dash is scam"
legendary
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One is famous for Lealeana physical BTC/LTC, the other for being the public face of Monero.

If you were involved in Bitcoin community beyond pushing the Dash scam, you would have known that.

fluffypony was well known before Monero, for Openrigs: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/interview-fluffypony-open-rigs-owner-long-time-miner/


I remember him :-), like here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29729.100   
Not to dig any further
And did you nice put inside " Dash scam" ... Isn't it painting all you post?

I'm not sure your point but I included the second line because it made the point about not knowing what is going on in the wider community. I've never been heavily involved with GPU mining but I had heard for openrigs.

legendary
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What I'm looking at is if DASH becomes huge - if it really becomes an anonymous currency used by the masses. I find the idea of the government secretly being able to undermine the security of what is believed to be secure against them distasteful.


which coins do you think are completely secure against guv?
none atm.
legendary
Activity: 1182
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my problem with the cloak instamine was that they mined the total initial coin supply (4.5m) in 7 days and went to a highly inflationary 6% POS reward. this unfairly gave all the coins that could ever be mined to a very small group of people who then staked it @ a whooping 6% and controlled the supply. i knew that type of distribution model was doomed to fail.

I'm pretty sure the masternode PoS rewards rate is higher than 6% and certainly was much higher when the number of masternodes was lower.


i hope you are just trolling and playing dumb. unlike cloak not all the coins were mined in the first 7 days. we still have millions of pow coins to balance things out and keep things fair.

troll harder next time, or better yet work on an official gui. over half your coin supply is mined and y'all still don't have a official gui, lol. and you call yourself a dev, pathetic. start deving and quit trolling.
legendary
Activity: 1030
Merit: 1006
One is famous for Lealeana physical BTC/LTC, the other for being the public face of Monero.

If you were involved in Bitcoin community beyond pushing the Dash scam, you would have known that.

fluffypony was well known before Monero, for Openrigs: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/interview-fluffypony-open-rigs-owner-long-time-miner/


I remember him :-), like here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29729.100   
Not to dig any further
And did you nice put inside " Dash scam" ... Isn't it painting all you post?
sr. member
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"[1]" is also false because Dash artificially and exorbitantly raises the cost of the option to run a full node to 1000 coins + expenses, thus destroying any claim to be decentralized.

Running a full node on the DASH network costs exactly 0 DASH, Eduardo de Assrape.
Offering Masternode services however requires a never-spent collateral of 1000 DASH.
People running nodes are free to choose, so yeah, exactly as decentralized as Bitcoin.
God, you're becoming more desperate every post.

They are only in crypto to make more fiat, not to change the world for the better.

LOL
Says the guy who scammed naive customers by selling non-existent ASIC miners. You fucking hypocrite belong into jail.

#RAPED
hero member
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It's so fucking desperate today, it's cut and pasting it's earlier posts..... typos n all.
sr. member
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...increases my suspicions Dash is a honeypot.

How can anyone that is so heavily involved/invested with a project that is based on NSA authored technology point their finger at DASH and call it a honeypot?  I'm convinced more than ever that DASH is the future and the Monero cronies are just butthurt because of that completely ignorant statement.  Grasping at anything no matter how idiotic it makes you look.

Thank you for bumping our thread IB.... really.
legendary
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...increases my suspicions Dash is a honeypot.

Just keeping the bears happy during recent visit  Wink

legendary
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I haven't read last 20 or so pages of this thread but get the impression we are as usual fighting against trolling from the Monero crew. I will say this, the trolling by Monero fans here is what has finally put me off Monero. I've sold the XMR I had at a loss and happy with my choice. Monero seems to be going nowhere. Dash is moving forward. Dash wins.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I debate the "perfect" in your second assertion. It depends on MNs, which I think we can all agree are MOSTLY hosted in the US. If DASH becomes a problem for the government, i.e. they can't tell where transactions are going or coming from, they will issue a few national security letters and get root on most MNs, making it game over.

I'm afraid that argument's a non-starter.

It's been gone over hundreds of times.

[1] - It would be like trying to swat a swarm of flies with a fishslice. A masternode is just a regular wallet daemon and equally as decentralised

[2] - If Dash ever became such a threat that a government would go to such lengths, you'd have already been a millionaire several times over


1 is false. It's not equally as decentralized because you need a public IP address. People are using shit like Vultr to run their MNs, not running them from their houses.
2 is correct, but funny. It's totally okay to have an insecure system if it makes you money?

"[1]" is also false because Dash artificially and exorbitantly raises the cost of the option to run a full node to 1000 coins + expenses, thus destroying any claim to be decentralized.  DashHoles think subsidizing Vultr/Amazon/DO nodes is good 'Because Decentralized' but all they are really accomplishing is amplifying Sybil attacks by encouraging more 'bad nodes' to exist.

"[2]" aptly demonstrates the greedy, "golden donkey" mindset of the DashHoles.  They are only in crypto to make more fiat, not to change the world for the better.

They are "totally okay" with "an insecure system" if it makes them more fiat.

DashHoles be like "Equation Group?  LOL who cares, I'm making a high yield on my masternode investment product!!1!"

This cargo cult's baffling utter disregard and contempt for opsec best practices (along with the mysterious lack of regulatory intervention) increases my suspicions Dash is a honeypot.
legendary
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One is famous for Lealeana physical BTC/LTC, the other for being the public face of Monero.

If you were involved in Bitcoin community beyond pushing the Dash scam, you would have known that.

fluffypony was well known before Monero, for Openrigs: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/interview-fluffypony-open-rigs-owner-long-time-miner/

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I'm going to leave this here.  Grin

I personally won't buy cloak because of the 7 day proof of work instamine.

LOL ^. But maybe to them it was a "FEATURE" hahaha


I guess instamining Dash in 2-3 days is GOOD....

than instamining Cloak for 7 days which is BAD  Cheesy

lol, boy you're wasting lots of time and digging deep aren't you. i made pretty good call on avoiding cloak yes i know thank you. i warned people about xc too and now monero these days.

my problem with the cloak instamine was that they mined the total initial coin supply (4.5m) in 7 days and went to a highly inflationary 6% POS reward. this unfairly gave all the coins that could ever be mined to a very small group of people who then staked it @ a whooping 6% and controlled the supply. i knew that type of distribution model was doomed to fail.

 i feel the same way about the highly inflationary monero emission curve where ~ half the coins were mined in the first year and will have "Roughly 86% mined in 4 years".
bitcoin is almost 7 years old and only has 75% mined. and the btc block reward is fixin to half and it will take them another 4+ years to get to monero's 86%.
so it will take btc (& ltc) ~11+ years to get to ~86% and monero only 4 years. it will probably take dash another 20 years to get to 86%.

here's more of what i said about cloak around that time...
"Cloakcoin had a failed Ninja launch with a 7 day pow 4.5 million coin instamine that has a 6% pos inflation issue. it's also a self-moderated thread that has been censored to cover up launch issues."

reminds me of the monero launch issues and purposely confusing multiple threads started in the wrong place by a admitted scam dev pushing a crippled miner. a dev that is probably still involved but with a new anon nick like smooth or smothie or fluffy, who knows.


Ahh yes, there's the long-winded Duffsplanation we all knew was coming.  Nice doublethink.

Too bad your criticisms of Cloak's ninja-mine obviously apply to Dash's ninja launch (probably more, since Dash lied about its launch time).

You get the basic facts wrong in your final deflection attempt; ie smoothie and fluffy are not anon.  One is Hawaiian, the other South African.

One is famous for Lealeana physical BTC/LTC, the other for being the public face of Monero.

If you were involved in Bitcoin community beyond pushing the Dash scam, you would have known that.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I personally won't buy cloak because of the 7 day proof of work instamine.

instamining Dash in 2-3 days is GOOD....

instamining Cloak for 7 days which is BAD  Cheesy

Dash's instamine was on accident, because Duffield didn't test the software before going live beause Dash is so important and urgent testing would have wasted precious time. 

God, Duff explained this like a thousand times already!  http://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118http://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118!!!1!

Cloak's instamine was on purpose, because c4shm4n tested his software before launching because Cloak isn't important because Dash is better.

How could you even compare the two?

You are such a troll smoothie!   Angry
legendary
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
...Time to open a beer   Cheesy Wink or two...
Sweet
And almost perfect english for someone speaking a second language  Smiley
Thnx Sub!
You know after almost two years of reading all this stuff around this thread every non english speaker improves his skills 100%
Wink
legendary
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1 is false. It's not equally as decentralized because you need a public IP address. People are using shit like Vultr to run their MNs, not running them from their houses.

Well, first I'd say we have to note that decentralised logic and decentralised hosting are two concepts which have nothing to do with each other.

I agree that - from a network redundancy point of view - a greater level of hosting redundancy is achieved if there are fewer co-hosted clusters. For example if half the nodes in the world are hosted on Amazon and the Amazon's entire service goes down across the board, then that will take out half the nodes until such time as their holders get them back up somewhere else.

But remember the masternode's existence is not particularly dependent on the host, it is dependent on the collateral address. A 'downed' host cannot knock out a masternode for any significant length of time because it only hosts an "instance" of the masternode and it can be "re-instanciated" anywhere, anytime.


Remember, I'm not worried about Amazon going DOWN. I'm worried about them being forced to give access to the government.

What I'm looking at is if DASH becomes huge - if it really becomes an anonymous currency used by the masses. I find the idea of the government secretly being able to undermine the security of what is believed to be secure against them distasteful.
There is a possibility that a government could try to block Dash ports or IPs.  Of course, that would be difficult in every country at the same time.  There has been testing using tor/.onion addresses for nodes and I see that as the long term solution if big brother feels like playing that game.

Also, I think there is a plan in place to identify MNs from something other than IP address, like the initial hash, the MN private ip, or an entirely new hash.  It would at least be hidden on the network.  Is there a way to sniff this stuff otherwise?  I mean, can packets be followed back to their source if no IP address is used?
hero member
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1 is false. It's not equally as decentralized because you need a public IP address. People are using shit like Vultr to run their MNs, not running them from their houses.

Well, first I'd say we have to note that decentralised logic and decentralised hosting are two concepts which have nothing to do with each other.

I agree that - from a network redundancy point of view - a greater level of hosting redundancy is achieved if there are fewer co-hosted clusters. For example if half the nodes in the world are hosted on Amazon and the Amazon's entire service goes down across the board, then that will take out half the nodes until such time as their holders get them back up somewhere else.

But remember the masternode's existence is not particularly dependent on the host, it is dependent on the collateral address. A 'downed' host cannot knock out a masternode for any significant length of time because it only hosts an "instance" of the masternode and it can be "re-instanciated" anywhere, anytime.


Remember, I'm not worried about Amazon going DOWN. I'm worried about them being forced to give access to the government.

What I'm looking at is if DASH becomes huge - if it really becomes an anonymous currency used by the masses. I find the idea of the government secretly being able to undermine the security of what is believed to be secure against them distasteful.
There is a possibility that a government could try to block Dash ports or IPs.  Of course, that would be difficult in every country at the same time.  There has been testing using tor/.onion addresses for nodes and I see that as the long term solution if big brother feels like playing that game.
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