Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1573. (Read 9723858 times)
November 22, 2015, 03:20:37 PM
Big exciting things all coming our way! Anxiously awaiting to see how the conference goes.
November 22, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
So much to look forward to the next couple of months :
"See you in Mexico" : 4 / 5 December, 2015
credits : Minotaur
https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-to-speak-and-exhibit-at-the-3rd-latin-american-bitcoin-conference-mexico.6505/
http://www.labitconf.com/
Dash second birth year : 18th of January, 2016
"See you in Miami" : 21 / 22 January, 2016
Credits to @alex-ru Productions:
Credits to tungfa
http://btcmiami.com/
Dash Annual 7% Decrease : 13th of February, 2016
"See you in Mexico" : 4 / 5 December, 2015
credits : Minotaur
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and giving an update about Evolution as we prepare for the Miami keynote.
More pieces of the puzzle there ? Lets hope so...https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-to-speak-and-exhibit-at-the-3rd-latin-american-bitcoin-conference-mexico.6505/
http://www.labitconf.com/
Dash second birth year : 18th of January, 2016
"See you in Miami" : 21 / 22 January, 2016
Credits to @alex-ru Productions:
Credits to tungfa
http://btcmiami.com/
Dash Annual 7% Decrease : 13th of February, 2016
I'm so looking forward to this! Mexico City less than 2 weeks away!!! Actually, time is flying!
November 22, 2015, 03:07:34 PM
A new budget proposal is out there, guys ... and it really smells like a daaaangerous precedent 
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/christmas-lottery
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/christmas-lottery
Nice website and idea
November 22, 2015, 02:48:59 PM
A new budget proposal is out there, guys ... and it really smells like a daaaangerous precedent
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/christmas-lottery
https://www.dashwhale.org/p/christmas-lottery
November 22, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
Only 1!! 
November 22, 2015, 01:57:36 PM
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fluffypony wrote:
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
fluffypony's not building the money. He's only building the safe.
Don't judge us by his standards.
They compare the bloat-joke-monero to Dash because they wanted to pull themselves out from the sea of cryptonote clones.
There are many cryptonote coins and in order to be kind of visible, they had to do something about it.
Monero is a simple NSA-made-bloat-unusable-joke-clone.
Attacking another coin is not responsive to fluffypony's critique of Dash's "attacker economist" approach.
Do you have anything substantive to offer, or are you content to merely deflect from rather than actually defend Dash's "bad crypto?"
Fluffypony (sic) is clutching at straws. He can't develop anything worth a fuck in his own coin (apart from a tacky dice site to skim gullible investors), so launches these broadsides at DASH, a significantly better supported coin (see coinmarketcap.com) with REAL ongoing development and a roadmap that's likely to get delivered this century. Not just a silly roadmap that's full of shit with some pretty graphics and 'missives' attached.
His technical argument is a non-sequitur. As DASH grows, it's sophistication and resilience to attack will also grow. But he doesn't mention that.
Nor does he mention who the fuck will actually attack these coins anyway, or that if they want to, Guv will fuck his precious Failero the same as any other coin.
And why the fuck don't you come up with some of your own arguments Licey, instead of eating and regurgitating these guys shit all the time.
"Clutching at straws" is characterization of fluffpony's analysis, not refutation.
"Non-sequitur" is characterization of fluffpony's analysis, not refutation.
"Can't develop anything worth a fuck in his own coin" is ad hominem, not refutation.
Good luck with your bad crypto and privacy theatre.
Dash
November 22, 2015, 01:46:40 PM
Do you have anything substantive to offer
Yes.
This is money:
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This is a safe:
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Learn to tell the difference because they don't share the same priorities
The art of trying to pretend that they do is known as the construction of "straw men". Something that many critics of Dash are far more accomplished at than doing monetary analysis.
This is a specific point of analysis, which is not refuted by infantile generalities involving clip art of silver and safes:
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fluffypony wrote:
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
November 22, 2015, 01:34:45 PM
Do you have anything substantive to offer
Yes.
This is money:
This is a safe:
Learn to tell the difference because they don't share the same priorities
The art of trying to pretend that they do is known as the construction of "straw men". Something that many critics of Dash are far more accomplished at than doing monetary analysis.
November 22, 2015, 01:21:23 PM
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fluffypony wrote:
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
fluffypony's not building the money. He's only building the safe.
Don't judge us by his standards.
They compare the bloat-joke-monero to Dash because they wanted to pull themselves out from the sea of cryptonote clones.
There are many cryptonote coins and in order to be kind of visible, they had to do something about it.
Monero is a simple NSA-made-bloat-unusable-joke-clone.
Attacking another coin is not responsive to fluffypony's critique of Dash's "attacker economist" approach.
Do you have anything substantive to offer, or are you content to merely deflect from rather than actually defend Dash's "bad crypto?"
November 22, 2015, 01:20:43 PM
November 22, 2015, 01:05:36 PM
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fluffypony wrote:
fluffypony's not building the money. He's only building the safe.
Don't judge us by his standards.
They compare the bloat-joke-monero to Dash because they wanted to pull themselves out from the sea of cryptonote clones.
There are many cryptonote coins and in order to be kind of visible, they had to do something about it.
Monero is a simple NSA-made-bloat-unusable-joke-clone.
November 22, 2015, 12:38:12 PM
I think as a community we just need to get past these nobodies. They will not be convinced of anything other their own retarded point of view....and frankly we have better things to discuss. There is NOTHING that they bring up or that we retort with that has not been flung around for almost 2 years. Same old BS...and I'm frankly tired...as I'm sure many other of you as well.
Lets rise to the occasion and just not answer them. Let them cry and beat their chest to an empty room.
I'm more interested in helping to make and implement simpler solutions for accepting DASH, BTC and others for businesses like mine.
Lets rise to the occasion and just not answer them. Let them cry and beat their chest to an empty room.
I'm more interested in helping to make and implement simpler solutions for accepting DASH, BTC and others for businesses like mine.
November 22, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
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fluffypony wrote:
fluffypony's not building the money. He's only building the safe.
Don't judge us by his standards.
November 22, 2015, 12:15:51 PM
Nice Move~!
Looking forword to the Andriod version.
Congrats from China~!
Sorry... But I didn't find a response to my earlier query... If there was/is a similar wallet available now for Android?
It's a different DASH wallet for Android, but it's also good enough:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=hashengineering.darkcoin.wallet
As far as I know Breadwallet is iPhone only, it'd be nice to have a glitsy Android wallet too but hashengineerings one works well. Both might be old-hat soon enough anyway. DAPI, No need to download an app, just browse and go
I. don't know what DAPI stands for or how that will effect the wallet. Please advise.
Really? I'm wondering if I should wait to implement our payment system till that rolls out. On second thought...I think I read some where that this feature was not going to be ready till early spring. We are going to need a wallet I'm assuming if we are accepting BTC...
November 22, 2015, 12:12:00 PM
What time is it ?
let me check:
let me check:
HI Tungfa... Sorry for not getting back to you. I'm trying to arrange to have my Web team and I to gave a conference call to you. Stay tuned
i think you should talk to minotaur !
he knows much more about this web / payment stuff than me
Thanks Tungfa...I'll reach out to him on DASHtalk. Cheers
November 22, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
you guys have that now? that's slick..
"The max coins were set to 84 million, but the coin had generated 2.5 million coins. Dash would have been over it’s limit in a 1.5 months and collapsed"
that's all you have to say? that is so lame of an excuse
evan: " If you don’t like that it was an instamine, that’s fine, go invest in something else."
https://youtu.be/x5sNx7SMTP8?t=146
evan (rubs nose): "the investors in the coin don't care" ..blah..blah...(rubs nose again and word mincer come to save the speechless evan)
word mincer: "go ahead criticize us, that makes us stronger "
yeah stronger at twisting facts and words...when you found out the instamine and distribution is in indefensible state you just twist it to become a "positive event"
i dare you guys to put instamine to the thread title..cmon!
November 22, 2015, 11:08:42 AM
Nice Move~!
Looking forword to the Andriod version.
Congrats from China~!
Sorry... But I didn't find a response to my earlier query... If there was/is a similar wallet available now for Android?
It's a different DASH wallet for Android, but it's also good enough:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=hashengineering.darkcoin.wallet
As far as I know Breadwallet is iPhone only, it'd be nice to have a glitsy Android wallet too but hashengineerings one works well. Both might be old-hat soon enough anyway. DAPI, No need to download an app, just browse and go
I. don't know what DAPI stands for or how that will effect the wallet. Please advise.
November 22, 2015, 11:03:37 AM
Dash fails again...
#R3KT
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fluffypony wrote:
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
Dash fails because, as djb describes in this excellent recent article, they have an "attacker economist" approach.
In other words, instead of purposely designing their systems to be cryptographically sound so that the "attacker will definitely fail" or the "attacker will probably fail", they instead (unwittingly?) design it so that "the attacker's expected cost of carrying out an attack exceeds the attacker's expected benefit from doing so." The unfortunate knock-on effect is that such an approach only works like that for a limited time...as the value of the cryptocurrency grows, so does the level of sophistication of the attackers that find it an interesting target. Trying to solve the privacy problems in a way that relies on the honesty and opsec of a small group of individuals is simply privacy theatre, no different from those that claim that Bitcoin is private as long as there's no address reuse.
#R3KT
November 22, 2015, 10:59:19 AM
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let me check:
HI Tungfa... Sorry for not getting back to you. I'm trying to arrange to have my Web team and I to gave a conference call to you. Stay tuned
i think you should talk to minotaur !
he knows much more about this web / payment stuff than me
November 22, 2015, 10:44:11 AM
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let me check:
let me check:
HI Tungfa... Sorry for not getting back to you. I'm trying to arrange to have my Web team and I to gave a conference call to you. Stay tuned
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