"Crypto is the separation of Power and State." Icy, WTF is that supposed to mean? It's gibberish! LOL.
And actually I agree with Vertoe, Dash has elements that are centralized, the DAVC is in a way a centralization. It acts kind of centralized. Why? Because there are some things that work better when it's centralized. Watch some of those videos from Evan, he explains it very well. Watch the series he made.
The trick is to do it so that it ACTS centralized, but the security is entirely decentralized.
It's freakin brilliant.
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November 19, 2015, 11:01:20 PM
November 19, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
what vertoe said when she left
You don't know, much less understand, the gender of the person you quote.
Picking on my choice of pronoun is a red herring.
But I'm not surprised you'd rather not discuss what vertoe said when he/she/it had enough of Evan Madoffield's golden donkey multilevel marketing scam.
i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.
the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.
i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.
if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?
November 19, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
Dash - YouTube update:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC854riaGH45TVlxptI18v4w
50.000 Views all together
Top 5 Videos by Views (Recent videos/ last 3 month ):
(excluded China/ as they can NOT access YT)
1. What is Dash
13,362 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GACaNvBlwc
2. Dash — лyчшaя aльтepнaтивa Биткoинy
3,399 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFSr0K5g_Q
3.O que é a Dash (Port/Br)
1,027 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OECqdXbHgY
4. Dash - Digital Cash (Community Promotion Video # 2)
1,053 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HYBMcyEPQ
5. Dash Video Series - #2 - Dash Introduction
806 Views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rGKM2tWKSA
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC854riaGH45TVlxptI18v4w
50.000 Views all together
Top 5 Videos by Views (Recent videos/ last 3 month ):
(excluded China/ as they can NOT access YT)
1. What is Dash
13,362 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GACaNvBlwc
2. Dash — лyчшaя aльтepнaтивa Биткoинy
3,399 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFSr0K5g_Q
3.O que é a Dash (Port/Br)
1,027 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OECqdXbHgY
4. Dash - Digital Cash (Community Promotion Video # 2)
1,053 views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HYBMcyEPQ
5. Dash Video Series - #2 - Dash Introduction
806 Views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rGKM2tWKSA
November 19, 2015, 09:56:50 PM
Um, masternodes will always do the mixing. Only now they will do it in quorums.
this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."
So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit
I don't remember this. I'm just working it out with what we're given. Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution. No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds. Seems logical to me.
Maybe there is another way?
I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero. I don't like something I can't check on.
You don't know, much less understand, the roadmap of the coin you cheer-lead for and defend against attackers?
Wow. Such blind faith. What sweet innocence. Typical cult victim.
I will never understand how people become True Believers in some dude's shady hobby project, especially after what vertoe said when she left.
November 19, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
Um, masternodes will always do the mixing. Only now they will do it in quorums.
this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."
So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit
I don't remember this. I'm just working it out with what we're given. Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution. No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds. Seems logical to me.
Maybe there is another way?
I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero. I don't like something I can't check on.
I did study monero a bit and I don't see an issue with the 'obscure blockchain'...
The ring signatures are based on tested crypto, this ensures that all outputs are valid and the network has a mechanism that is double spend proof.
The mixing on masternodes is a weak point in my opinion. It is just bad for anonymity.
Currently I own 200 DASH and 1000 XMR.
Still not sure what to do:
*DASH has better market cap and support, but I don't really like the mixing system.
Also additional features I think are interesting like instantX I like, although I would like to see some external crypto-expert checking if it's safe and can scale.
*XMR has better mixing tech, but I have no clue why the community and market cap seems so small.
I also like the stealth addresses... You only need one account. It's better than a HD wallet because change transactions can't be linked.
My initial plan to buy a masternode is postponed until I see some external validation of DASH tech and the details of Evolution.
If DASH would go sub 0.005 BTC, I'll probably double down on my current position.
This will also happen for XMR if it drops below 0.001 BTC.
I'll probably bet on both for now. If one or the other clearly becomes the leading anonymous currency, I'll sell the one and buy the other.
For me, if I can't figure out where a transaction is, if it's been duplicated, if it's really working. If there is no way to double check it - especially a way I can understand, it's not for me. I don't like the complexity. I seriously don't trust it, and I don't know if someone holds the key to the encryption either. You have to completely trust the person who set the ball in motion. And frankly, that person turned out to be a scammer. Or perhaps they were a government spy network? How can anyone trust it? Why do you have to trust such a centralized point of failure?
It's not for me.
November 19, 2015, 09:45:45 PM
Best thing is: trolls keep trolling all day, but evan don't give a fuck -> keeps coding all day. The only thing that would worry me if evan had the time to argue with the trolls and spam competitors threads all day.
Even on Slack, Evan says almost nothing, at least not in the public threads there. He's probably talking to the core team, but he's said more here on this thread than anywhere else
So yah, Exactly.
He did poke his head in to say he liked Mr. Robot though
November 19, 2015, 09:40:12 PM
Um, masternodes will always do the mixing. Only now they will do it in quorums.
this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."
So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit
I don't remember this. I'm just working it out with what we're given. Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution. No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds. Seems logical to me.
Maybe there is another way?
I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero. I don't like something I can't check on.
I did study monero a bit and I don't see an issue with the 'obscure blockchain'...
The ring signatures are based on tested crypto, this ensures that all outputs are valid and the network has a mechanism that is double spend proof.
The mixing on masternodes is a weak point in my opinion. It is just bad for anonymity.
Currently I own 200 DASH and 1000 XMR.
Still not sure what to do:
*DASH has better market cap and support, but I don't really like the mixing system.
Also additional features I think are interesting like instantX I like, although I would like to see some external crypto-expert checking if it's safe and can scale.
*XMR has better mixing tech, but I have no clue why the community and market cap seems so small.
I also like the stealth addresses... You only need one account. It's better than a HD wallet because change transactions can't be linked.
My initial plan to buy a masternode is postponed until I see some external validation of DASH tech and the details of Evolution.
If DASH would go sub 0.005 BTC, I'll probably double down on my current position.
This will also happen for XMR if it drops below 0.001 BTC.
I'll probably bet on both for now. If one or the other clearly becomes the leading anonymous currency, I'll sell the one and buy the other.
What is your opinion about Trolleros, posting here all day long?
This don't show you some kind of weakness of their part?
That we don't care about them but they always speak about us?
November 19, 2015, 09:36:46 PM
Pages and pages of Monero bagholders arguing about a coin they consider an scam. Tireless efforts of our resident Monero trolls repeating the same every day and sock puppets with very lame names just increasing the size of this thread trying to make it unreadable. They are not going to win.
The situation here is something any rational investor can think about. They are here because they are scared.
Fuck the trolls, Evan & team are doing a great job.
The situation here is something any rational investor can think about. They are here because they are scared.
Fuck the trolls, Evan & team are doing a great job.
Beyond that, if Evan's vision does work, it's the users, the people who find the technology useful, that will make the final decision. Not the trolls or the crypto nerds. So ultimately, it doesn't matter what these trolls say or try to do, this machine, the Autonomous Virtual Corporation that is Dash isn't going to disappear. So good luck to them
This thread is indeed completely unreadable. Investors may try to read here, see it's all BS, then go to the website or Dashtalk.org and there they will make their decisions.
November 19, 2015, 09:21:09 PM
Fine, I grant you it's not CERTAIN that Evan got a shitton of coins. It's still LIKELY given the circumstances.
What really made me WTF in your post is the "changing mind" thing about the emission schedule. That should not be changed lightly, if at all - you should know this.
What really made me WTF in your post is the "changing mind" thing about the emission schedule. That should not be changed lightly, if at all - you should know this.
This was something that was voted on. I didn't like the idea myself, and argued against it. But the community was over 95% for it, so it was done. Another instance of Evan coming to the community for guidance. And there initially was no limit technically to the number of coins to be produced. The way the number of coins was limited was by reducing the emissions by 7% per year. Otherwise we kept the same setup. This calculates over the next 100 or so years as halving.
Also, Evan's initial estimates on how many coins would be produced assumed a lower hash rate (that it would never get so high as to hug the minimum reward).
November 19, 2015, 09:00:24 PM
Um, masternodes will always do the mixing. Only now they will do it in quorums.
this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."
So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit
I don't remember this. I'm just working it out with what we're given. Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution. No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds. Seems logical to me.
Maybe there is another way?
I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero. I don't like something I can't check on.
evan got grilled there..ha ha ha........
evan: any other questions? tsa huh huh.
November 19, 2015, 08:54:13 PM
Lets look at what Nick Szabo actually said in context.
When we do that, we find that in fact, he's talking about technologies needing practical exposure to markets and users in order to evolve. He's talking about it being messy "out there" and that iterative cycles of deploy-learn-develop are required to produce something that's robust enough and practical enough at the same time to be successful.
Few cryptos have done as much justice to this ethic than Dash. It's basically had a baptism of fire since day one and successfully responded and improved according to market and industry priorities. Deployments have been delivered, revisions created, long term design goals refined and focused, new opportunities discovered - all from having been "out there". Most importantly - it survived and now has a roadmap that does justice to that survival.
Meanwhile, by way of contrast, lets take something like Monero: Ironically, that WAS designed in secret in an ivory tower, got shoved "out there", has had almost nothing done on it since, has lost 90% of its value from launch, suffers from confidence problems, the wrong monetary model and a defective implementation at launch - all on top of an almost non-existent set of end user tools.
In other words, the very "world of [but]hurt" that Nick Szabo was talking about
[Additional insertion courtesy of the thread's resident scarecrow]
November 19, 2015, 08:52:45 PM
Um, masternodes will always do the mixing. Only now they will do it in quorums.
this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."
So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit
I don't remember this. I'm just working it out with what we're given. Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution. No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds. Seems logical to me.
Maybe there is another way?
I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero. I don't like something I can't check on.
I did study monero a bit and I don't see an issue with the 'obscure blockchain'...
The ring signatures are based on tested crypto, this ensures that all outputs are valid and the network has a mechanism that is double spend proof.
The mixing on masternodes is a weak point in my opinion. It is just bad for anonymity.
Currently I own 200 DASH and 1000 XMR.
Still not sure what to do:
*DASH has better market cap and support, but I don't really like the mixing system.
Also additional features I think are interesting like instantX I like, although I would like to see some external crypto-expert checking if it's safe and can scale.
*XMR has better mixing tech, but I have no clue why the community and market cap seems so small.
I also like the stealth addresses... You only need one account. It's better than a HD wallet because change transactions can't be linked.
My initial plan to buy a masternode is postponed until I see some external validation of DASH tech and the details of Evolution.
If DASH would go sub 0.005 BTC, I'll probably double down on my current position.
This will also happen for XMR if it drops below 0.001 BTC.
I'll probably bet on both for now. If one or the other clearly becomes the leading anonymous currency, I'll sell the one and buy the other.
November 19, 2015, 08:22:28 PM
Um, masternodes will always do the mixing. Only now they will do it in quorums.
this is new information...
This is a quote from Evan Duffield
"This system doesn't mix on masternodes at all. It's done on a protocol level.
And so, we actually don't like that we are mixing on masternodes and I wanted to remove that for a long time and I finally figuered out how to do it."
So masternodes will still be used for mixing?
This is a disappointment, I must admit
I don't remember this. I'm just working it out with what we're given. Still, I'd think this would be an excellent solution. No need to wait for blocks, how ever many MNs you have, is essentially the number of rounds. Seems logical to me.
Maybe there is another way?
I sure hope it won't be something that obscures the blockchain like Monero. I don't like something I can't check on.
November 19, 2015, 08:13:33 PM
Keep the good trolling Icebreaker, the Monero crowd need you here doing the job
Sorry not answer your questions. X11, DGW, Darksend, masternodes and InstantX developments are beyond any discussion (for non fanatical and reasonable people at least)
November 19, 2015, 08:02:05 PM
"Anybody who thinks they can flesh out a protocol in secret and then deploy it, full-blown and working, is in for a world of hurt."
[Nick Szabo, 1993-8-23]
[Nick Szabo, 1993-8-23]
[personal attacks; off-topic deflection]
What makes you believe Evolusham can be fleshed out in secret and then deployed full-blown and working?
You don't even bother trying to defend the indefensible secret development. I'm not surprised, given how well that's worked out for XC and Blocknet!
Any DashHole who thinks Duffield can flesh out Evolusham in secret and then deploy it, full-blown and working, is in for a world of butthurt.
Think about that.
November 19, 2015, 07:59:27 PM
...meanwhile, Dash turns out to be one of the few coins where a price decline actually helps the network.
MN population now coming up on 3400.
November 19, 2015, 07:56:53 PM
...meanwhile, Dash turns out to be one of the few coins where a price decline actually helps the network.
MN population now coming up on 3400.
price high: sells coins
price low: sells coins (free coins from POS nodes) or accumulate from POS...not POW
nobody wants to (POW) work anymore when price is low that's why staking (POS) is the way
November 19, 2015, 07:54:29 PM
I'm loving these last few pages. Vitalik is finding out that anybody who dares speak a negative word about Monero gets immediately flamed by all the Monero shills and trolls.
Where did Vitalik speak a negative word about Monero?
All I see is Vitalik announcing ETH will imitate Monero's ring signatures, which is of course the most sincere form of flattery.
And then there is the comment where he agrees they should play nice together.
Are you mad ETH isn't using DASH-like masternodes or some other form of your cargo cult's bad crypto?
November 19, 2015, 07:45:34 PM
What are you doing here Icebreaker? Why are you wasting your time in this thread? Months of countless posts just to say every day the same like a clerk doing a job in an office.
Monero or Dash will succeed or fail not because of you or a horde of sock puppets trolling hard every day here.
You are just a sad individual trolling the same thread in Bitcointalk, every day for months. Think about that.
November 19, 2015, 07:41:34 PM
...meanwhile, Dash turns out to be one of the few coins where a price decline actually helps the network.
MN population now coming up on 3400.
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