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legendary
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qwizzie's cryptogram puzzle round 3 (In Preparation Phase)
https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-1.6372/

Round 1 is won by toknormal
https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-1-finished.6372/#post-70263

Round 2 is won by calnaughtonjnr
(https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-2-finished.6372/#post-70362)

ETA Round 3 : 1 day and 6 hours


GMT +2

* to keep things official (and organised) pls post the solution on the dashtalk forum...
* will toknormal break his personal record of 20 minutes ?
* will calnaughtonjnr break his personal record of 18 minutes ?
* will stan.distortion melt his poor old wrinkled brain trying to solve it ?
legendary
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question:

What % of the number of transactions are darksend transactions?

I want to know this, because fungibility depends on it... I learned that monero has mixing by default. What's more, mixing can be done client side (and even offline). So I want to know how DASH compares...

I mean, XMR tech seems to be solid, but DASh clearly has the first mover advantage and also offers other things like InstantX and a GUI. So for now I'll stick to DASh as long as the tech is usable and not flawed Smiley

I don't think the fungibility of Dash necessarily depends on which proportion of transactions are darksend transactions. The traceability of funds depends on the number of rounds of darksend mixing they go through. The more rounds of mixing, the more difficult it is to trace. If you receive funds which are then "blacklisted" you can always put the questionable funds through as many rounds of mixing as you want, then it will be impossible to say for sure that the funds that you hold are the blacklisted funds, as they will have passed through many different addresses in many different transactions.

One important difference between Dash and CryptoNote mixing is that with Dash it is done off chain by the Masternodes, as opposed to the on-chain mixing CryptoNote currencies use. I don't know enough about CryptoNote to go in to it in much detail, but I believe that while it may be impossible to trace transactions today, in the future the technology may exist to trace all mixing which has ever happened as it recorded in the blockchain.

All DASH transactions are engraved in the blockchain as well, so that doesn't really make a difference.
legendary
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snip...

I2P?  

Ring signatures?

IP obfuscation (AKA masternode blinding)?


i believe I2P was scraped for a better idea or not needed after all. if evolution does not take care of it then it will get done but it's not a priority on my wish list.
btw monero will be replaced by zerocash soon, just thought i'd throw that out for no reason. Grin

ring sigs were replaced by a different idea (read the thread) without all the bloating monero suffers from which does not allow it to scale. the failure of monero to produce a official gui wallet has actually helped keep the already massive bloating down. fluffypony said the official gui will be ready soon, 2-3 months? 3-6 months? probably before zerocash makes monero obsolete. but by the time they get around to figuring out how to "significantly" prune the blockchain and implement it monero will be obsolete, replaced by zerocash. Cry


supposedly masternode blinding is being replaced with a better implementation in v13 evolution. waiting for the whitepaper.
it was put on hold last release to implement evans new idea of decentralized governance by blockchain. evan and the community decided to give that priority so we could fund more devs to work on our wish lists.

instamine! Kiss

The quoting out of context fallacy.. This is the remainder of his quote:
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However, it is somewhat unworkable right now. Firstly, it has a trusted accumulator problem that remains unsolved at this stage (although they posit solving this through an RSA UFO). Even if that is solved there is still the very real danger of it being impossible to see exploits in an absolutely opaque blockchain with relatively new and untested cryptography (ie. an exploit that lets an attacker create, say, 2 000 000 ZeroCash in a single day will go unnoticed). Finally, even with their newer ZKP schemes there is still a significant size impact for each transaction, and absolutely no way you'd be able to run SPV-style wallets or perform blockchain pruning. Once the cryptography has been more thoroughly tested, corner cases have been solved, and technology is at a point where the size impact is negligible, then I would imagine some future iteration of ZeroCash will become the dominant form for cryptocurrency payments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/301r4e/crypto_primitive_shorter_than_current_monero_ring/cpow5jd

Also, somewhere else he said that he expects this to be in 10-20 years. So please stop with the quoting out of context. Furthermore, if it renders Bitcoin and Monero obsolete, it will render DASH obsolete as well.
legendary
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What's the bitcoin rally about this time then ?

Keeps adding $10 a day.

Dash is proving very resistant to this rally and managing to ride the fiat wave for the most part. Almost no volume on the dips. Valuation tight-elastic.

(But I'd still like to know what's driving it: TA ? (1-week EMA crossover), Gemini ?, China safe-havens ? Public panic ? The media -throwing-in-the-towel-on-trying-to-convince-people-of-a-distinction-between-"blockchain-tech"-and-bitcoin ?.....add your favourite fundy.

this is what Coindesk has to say about it : http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-breaks-260-to-hit-two-month-high/

Quote

This week has seen a sudden surge in bitcoin trading volume, driven predominantly by the Chinese exchanges Huobi and OKCoin.

On Wednesday, 1.29m BTC was traded in total – the highest amount since 26th January. OKCoin accounted for 48% of this volume.

Bobby Lee, CEO of Chinese exchange BTCC, told CoinDesk his platform has seen a significant volume increase, though he dismissed much of his competitors' volume as "artificial".
legendary
Activity: 2548
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Cryptsy have returned 2,886 LTC that I had on them over a week ago, just 70 odd BTC to go which it now looks like will be forthcoming shortly, so with the DASH that I was previously able to withdrawal that will be all of my > $50,000 bid wall funds safely returned, many thanks for those who wished for a good outcome in this and a big GFY to the haters who can only try and find some small thrill in the possible misfortune of others, to them - all that you wish on others will one day come back to you and many times over, try and learn from it and be less (self) destructive going forward perhaps.
Great, well you half way there, and litecoin even went up a little in the process.
Did you have an explanation from Cryptsy for the delay, and would you use them again, or is that it terminal outski from the big vern fraternity?

This is what they sent me:

Hello Otoh,

I deeply apologize for the recent delays.

We have been undergoing major site upgrades, part of which is the verification systems. Some users who have verified
accounts have been affected with these delays.

I see that you have withdrawals pending and these should now process soon as we are nearing completion of our upgrade.

If you have not received your withdrawal, by Monday October 19, please reply to this ticket and let me know.

I plan to compensate you for the inconvenience by issuing you a free upgrade to pro account status which is also included in the upgrade and will go live also very soon.

Sincerely,
Jim  aka: JShock
Customer Service Manager
Cryptsy.com

-------------------------------------------

& this:

Hello Otoh,

Your LTC withdrawal has processed, BTC withdrawal should move soon.
I had to cancel the XRP withdrawals, please try sending those again.

-----------------------------------

As to using them again, it is always good when an exchange recovers from adversity and makes everyone good again and as Tungfa said to me: Cryptsy is weird as they have always been, but eventually they always pull through (In my opinion with them).

So I expect that I will be using them again, their handing and communication of this outage could have been way better than it was, I expect it will be a long time now, if ever, that I feel confident enough to leave up that large an amount of bid walls there again though.

Edit: I didn't have any XRP or XRP withdrawals with them.

That is reassuring news, i'm glad you got that reply from them and i'm also glad you got your LTC funds back.
Here is hoping for a speedy return of those BTC funds to you...
hero member
Activity: 644
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What's the bitcoin rally about this time then ?

Keeps adding $10 a day.

Dash is proving very resistant to this rally and managing to ride the fiat wave for the most part. Almost no volume on the dips. Valuation tight-elastic.

(But I'd still like to know what's driving it: TA ? (1-week EMA crossover), Gemini ?, China safe-havens ? Public panic ? The media -throwing-in-the-towel-on-trying-to-convince-people-of-a-distinction-between-"blockchain-tech"-and-bitcoin ?.....add your favourite fundy.

the last auction of silk road coins is coming up on Nov 5th, they are pumping up the price so the bidders pay top dollar
hero member
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My god, the Quebec accent is horrible.
It's a mix between duck and Quebec.
full member
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So I expect that I will be using them again
Just don't do that, I was robbed there few times, as tickets stay open (some for a year, some for few moths).
They falling.
legendary
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What's the bitcoin rally about this time then ?

Keeps adding $10 a day.

Dash is proving very resistant to this rally and managing to ride the fiat wave for the most part. Almost no volume on the dips. Valuation tight-elastic.

(But I'd still like to know what's driving it: TA ? (1-week EMA crossover), Gemini ?, China safe-havens ? Public panic ? The media -throwing-in-the-towel-on-trying-to-convince-people-of-a-distinction-between-"blockchain-tech"-and-bitcoin ?.....add your favourite fundy.
sr. member
Activity: 310
Merit: 250
Cryptsy have returned 2,886 LTC that I had on them over a week ago, just 70 odd BTC to go which it now looks like will be forthcoming shortly, so with the DASH that I was previously able to withdrawal that will be all of my > $50,000 bid wall funds safely returned, many thanks for those who wished for a good outcome in this and a big GFY to the haters who can only try and find some small thrill in the possible misfortune of others, to them - all that you wish on others will one day come back to you and many times over, try and learn from it and be less (self) destructive going forward perhaps.

Great news Otoh. Glad the outcome is looking positive. I feared another mintpal situation was going to occur. Fingers crossed you get your BTC in the following days.

Walter
sr. member
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question:

What % of the number of transactions are darksend transactions?

I want to know this, because fungibility depends on it... I learned that monero has mixing by default. What's more, mixing can be done client side (and even offline). So I want to know how DASH compares...

I mean, XMR tech seems to be solid, but DASh clearly has the first mover advantage and also offers other things like InstantX and a GUI. So for now I'll stick to DASh as long as the tech is usable and not flawed Smiley

I don't think the fungibility of Dash necessarily depends on which proportion of transactions are darksend transactions. The traceability of funds depends on the number of rounds of darksend mixing they go through. The more rounds of mixing, the more difficult it is to trace. If you receive funds which are then "blacklisted" you can always put the questionable funds through as many rounds of mixing as you want, then it will be impossible to say for sure that the funds that you hold are the blacklisted funds, as they will have passed through many different addresses in many different transactions.

One important difference between Dash and CryptoNote mixing is that with Dash it is done off chain by the Masternodes, as opposed to the on-chain mixing CryptoNote currencies use. I don't know enough about CryptoNote to go in to it in much detail, but I believe that while it may be impossible to trace transactions today, in the future the technology may exist to trace all mixing which has ever happened as it recorded in the blockchain.
legendary
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snip...

I2P?  

Ring signatures?

IP obfuscation (AKA masternode blinding)?


i believe I2P was scraped for a better idea or not needed after all. if evolution does not take care of it then it will get done but it's not a priority on my wish list.
btw monero will be replaced by zerocash soon, just thought i'd throw that out for no reason. Grin

ring sigs were replaced by a different idea (read the thread) without all the bloating monero suffers from which does not allow it to scale. the failure of monero to produce a official gui wallet has actually helped keep the already massive bloating down. fluffypony said the official gui will be ready soon, 2-3 months? 3-6 months? probably before zerocash makes monero obsolete. but by the time they get around to figuring out how to "significantly" prune the blockchain and implement it monero will be obsolete, replaced by zerocash. Cry


supposedly masternode blinding is being replaced with a better implementation in v13 evolution. waiting for the whitepaper.
it was put on hold last release to implement evans new idea of decentralized governance by blockchain. evan and the community decided to give that priority so we could fund more devs to work on our wish lists.

instamine! Kiss
donator
Activity: 3136
Merit: 1167
Cryptsy have returned 2,886 LTC that I had on them over a week ago, just 70 odd BTC to go which it now looks like will be forthcoming shortly, so with the DASH that I was previously able to withdrawal that will be all of my > $50,000 bid wall funds safely returned, many thanks for those who wished for a good outcome in this and a big GFY to the haters who can only try and find some small thrill in the possible misfortune of others, to them - all that you wish on others will one day come back to you and many times over, try and learn from it and be less (self) destructive going forward perhaps.
Great, well you half way there, and litecoin even went up a little in the process.
Did you have an explanation from Cryptsy for the delay, and would you use them again, or is that it terminal outski from the big vern fraternity?

This is what they sent me:

Hello Otoh,

I deeply apologize for the recent delays.

We have been undergoing major site upgrades, part of which is the verification systems. Some users who have verified
accounts have been affected with these delays.

I see that you have withdrawals pending and these should now process soon as we are nearing completion of our upgrade.

If you have not received your withdrawal, by Monday October 19, please reply to this ticket and let me know.

I plan to compensate you for the inconvenience by issuing you a free upgrade to pro account status which is also included in the upgrade and will go live also very soon.

Sincerely,
Jim  aka: JShock
Customer Service Manager
Cryptsy.com

-------------------------------------------

& this:

Hello Otoh,

Your LTC withdrawal has processed, BTC withdrawal should move soon.
I had to cancel the XRP withdrawals, please try sending those again.

-----------------------------------

As to using them again, it is always good when an exchange recovers from adversity and makes everyone good again and as Tungfa said to me: Cryptsy is weird as they have always been, but eventually they always pull through (In my opinion with them).

So I expect that I will be using them again, their handing and communication of this outage could have been way better than it was, I expect it will be a long time now, if ever, that I feel confident enough to leave up that large an amount of bid walls there again though.

Edit: I didn't have any XRP or XRP withdrawals with them.
donator
Activity: 3136
Merit: 1167
Cryptsy have returned 2,886 LTC that I had on them over a week ago, just 70 odd BTC to go which it now looks like will be forthcoming shortly, so with the DASH that I was previously able to withdrawal that will be all of my > $50,000 bid wall funds safely returned, many thanks for those who wished for a good outcome in this and a big GFY to the haters who can only try and find some small thrill in the possible misfortune of others, to them - all that you wish on others will one day come back to you and many times over, try and learn from it and be less (self) destructive going forward perhaps.

That is great news my friend!!!  I'm looking forward to meeting you on that side of the pond soon.  Wink

Many thanks & for all the ppl who PM-ed and good wishes re that, I'm in Spain for a couple of months, though next week visiting the UK until the end of Oct, then mid Jan to March 2016 in the States mostly likely, looking forward to meeting up as well :-)
legendary
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Cryptsy have returned 2,886 LTC that I had on them over a week ago, just 70 odd BTC to go which it now looks like will be forthcoming shortly, so with the DASH that I was previously able to withdrawal that will be all of my > $50,000 bid wall funds safely returned, many thanks for those who wished for a good outcome in this and a big GFY to the haters who can only try and find some small thrill in the possible misfortune of others, to them - all that you wish on others will one day come back to you and many times over, try and learn from it and be less (self) destructive going forward perhaps.

Oh man, that's good to hear.  I hope it arrives soon.  Oh yah, please don't take any notice of those ding dongs!  They're either extremely mentally ill or sad sods that do this for money.  Either way, they should be on ignore!
full member
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Roll Eyes

I don't get how someone can be so ignorant all time.  It borders on the sociopathic.

You know, it IS sociopathic, and why haven't you got him on ignore yet, BigR?  You're not doing your brain any good there!!!  Wink

Not to worry Ms. T.  I don't get worked up by either him or his other half.  :O

Instead of discussing me all the time, why not discuss why Evan Scamfield failed (after 1.5 years) to deliver on his previously announced goals of I2P, ring signatures, and IP obfuscation.

Nobody forced eduffield to make those promises.  But we are allowed to ask WTF happened to those plans.

You have the right to say like upper paragraph.
It may have some fact. You did a good job to push dev team do some action.
Either premine or instamine, don't care,
just say if they cheat real fact.
Man who don't have developing power, can't say critically.

You are good man to point this, and you are expert.
"Nobody forced eduffield to make those promises.  But we are allowed to ask WTF happened to those plans."


legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Roll Eyes

I don't get how someone can be so ignorant all time.  It borders on the sociopathic.

You know, it IS sociopathic, and why haven't you got him on ignore yet, BigR?  You're not doing your brain any good there!!!  Wink

Not to worry Ms. T.  I don't get worked up by either him or his other half.  :O

Instead of discussing me all the time, why not discuss why Evan Scamfield failed (after 1.5 years) to deliver on his previously announced goals of I2P, ring signatures, and IP obfuscation.

Nobody forced eduffield to make those promises.  But we are allowed to ask WTF happened to those plans.
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
Roll Eyes

I don't get how someone can be so ignorant all time.  It borders on the sociopathic.

You know, it IS sociopathic, and why haven't you got him on ignore yet, BigR?  You're not doing your brain any good there!!!  Wink

Not to worry Ms. T.  I don't get worked up by either him or his other half.  :O
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
Quantum entangled and jump drive assisted messages
Cryptsy have returned 2,886 LTC that I had on them over a week ago, just 70 odd BTC to go which it now looks like will be forthcoming shortly, so with the DASH that I was previously able to withdrawal that will be all of my > $50,000 bid wall funds safely returned, many thanks for those who wished for a good outcome in this and a big GFY to the haters who can only try and find some small thrill in the possible misfortune of others, to them - all that you wish on others will one day come back to you and many times over, try and learn from it and be less (self) destructive going forward perhaps.
Great, well you half way there, and litecoin even went up a little in the process.
Did you have an explanation from Cryptsy for the delay, and would you use them again, or is that it terminal outski from the big vern fraternity?
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
when is the V13 release date?
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