Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1739. (Read 9724097 times)

I Agree. Also:

1. Supporting only this one site violates the principles of competition and helps to centralize such services in one hand...
2. Violates basic principle of Voting "Masternodes have to vote for benefit for the whole system, not for benefits only for Masternodes operators".

But I like site Dashwale - hope it can offer good commercial services for Masternode OPs and earn fees with it.

Hi

I'm new here, this is my first post!

I was interested in cryptocurrencies, but when I looked into it back in 2012, I came across some article that explained it on a semi-technical level.
I realized that bitcoin was too transparent. I didn't want others to see my transactions, so I dismissed it. I saw in 2013 on the news that if I got in, I could have made a lot of money. But I figured I was a bit late to the party so I still didn't invest.

When I met an old friend a few weeks ago, he told me he did buy BTC in 2012. Then I told him about my concerns (the fact that BTC isn't private). Then he told me maybe I would like DASH. So I checked the dash technology and I liked what I saw. Darksend can make my transactions private!
There was more: InstantX has very fast transactions, compared to bitcoin.

I now bought 20 DASH. I want to start small, but maybe I'll buy a full masternode in the future. I was just checking this thread and saw something about evolution in another topic:

May I ask if there is already more information about this?

I specifically want to know when will it go live?
Also, I wonder how you can have so much transactions per second? (the slide shows 500-1500) I read that bitcoin is limited to 7 transactions per second.
My last question for now is that I don't really understand how InstantX works. I mean... with bitcoin you have your transactions included in a block. I liked that part of the bitcoin technology when I checked it in 2012. Once a ransaction is included, it is considered "safe". How does InstantX work?

Anyway, I hope to get in early now, because I feel that DASH could maybe become big, certainly if "Evolution" becomes the new reality.

I'm wondering what the details are.

Assuming every tx has a size of 5kb

1000 * 5kb = 5MB

How can it be achieved without increasing the blocksize?
Eager to test it.

I will add my two cents on the DashWhale proposal. I think that it is a service that is optional, so the people who choose to use that site and enjoy it's benefits should pay for that experience.

Asking for DGBB money just seems wrong when a majority of Dash community members are not using it. Proposals should be used to directly benefit Dash. There is not a lot of money right now, and we need to get the most bang for our buck out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I love DashWhale, but it is just one website, not THE website, and as such should generate it's own funding.

A lot of innovation with this site, highly recommend it.  Saved me a few dash when my server went down and got a notification before my nodes dropped off.  Rango is really quick to respond to questions or support.  It has a lot of features that make voting and monitoring nodes really easy.  Plus it has comments for proposals.

We can vote to determine if this gets funded or not which is exactly what this budget system is intended to be used for.

I would also suggest that the fee to create proposals go to the website(like dashwhale) that submits the proposal.

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Although the services of DashWhale are convenient, they are not essential must haves at this point.... BUT ....If DashWhale open sourced their code, which would drive competition and further innovation, I would vote yes on this proposal.

Edit: I think having click button voting in any wallet with access to masternode private keys is a great idea and you're not trusting a 3rd party to look after your private keys.

Well, I've heard Visa are already processing millions of transactions a day... why should we bother continuing with this project..?

Just because a centralized MN services solution has been created doesn't mean that we shouldn't push towards integrating the features of dashwhale into the core client at protocol level..

Walter

Actually it wouldn't be TOO hard to add voting to the wallet, what I did here can also be done within the wallet.

I still hesitate because there are already a lot of things in the wallet which confuse beginners, and the target group of this feature would be quite small.

Convince me 

Are IP addresses logged? Maybe users of the site could save what they pay on VPNs and donate that to the site.

I can see that it seems to be users of the site that are in favour of the budget proposal. I don't doubt that the site provides a more convenient way of voting regularly than any other current method, but I don't think it warrants recurring payments, albeit only 6 months, as in 2 months there could be a better solution. I don't think a centralised solution should become the defacto standard. Nothing was promised to Dashwhale before embarking on the project, was the initial intention always to offer for free at first and then go after funding?



Instant cryptocurrency exchange. We were the first service to offer no-registration instant cryptocurrency exchange (yes, before Shapeshift). Now you can exchange BTC, LTC, NXT, BTCD, DOGE, DASH, PPC coins instantly, also you can exchange them to and from e-currencies (PerfectMoney, OKcoin).

Cryptocurrency withdrawal to any Visa/Master/UnionPay card issued by any bank worldwide. You can withdraw your crypto within 2 business days to your existing Visa/Master/Union pay card issued by your bank. If there are not very many local exchangers in your area or you want to withdraw altcoins they do not support this might be an  option, you just have it sent to your bank card. More details here.

Custom debit card to withdraw your crypto. You can order a custom debit card to withdraw your crypto to, inlcuding BTC, LTC, NXT, BTCD, DOGE, DASH, PPC coins. Card loading is almost instant, and the card can be delivered all over the world.

Buying and selling your crypto with bank transfer. You can buy and sell your coins, including BTC, LTC, NXT, BTCD, DOGE, DASH, PPC, using your bank account. SEPA transfer in europe takes usually one business day.

Yes, but the work has already been done. Dashwhale pushes out notifications, encrypts your genkey for voting safety, has a new incident log for each user, and keeps churning out the innovation.

Not sure if I see the effect on decentralization of the currency itself, except that it might make us so lazy we forget how to vote manually. If they go down, no funds are lost and no real information about MN owners is released (because it's not collected). Use a VPN to login for maximum anonymity, etc.

EDIT: And WYSIWYG budget proposal editor!

It mustn't be too hard to include voting in the GUI client, or even to have a client only for masternode owners. Dashwhale looks great and I'm sure it is very convenient for those that use it, but I think for something as important as decentralised governance of an anonymous cryptocurrency, a trustless solution would be ideal.

I have to agree. It's not only a service which is not used by the majority of Dash currency users, but which is not used by most Masternode owners. Fees for those that use the service or ads (of the non-tracking variety) would seem like a more reasonable solution than a recurring payment. I would probably be more in favour of a one-off payment, depending on the amount.

Is there a process for changing a recurring vote in the future? Or is it locked in until all recurring payments have been made?

Agreed, Tok. This is part of the ecosystem build-out that Dash needs to succeed. And if it helps more MN owners vote seamlessly, doesn't that make our governance model stronger (more democratic)?

They were willing to do the site initially on a donation basis, but I'm guessing that's not doing very well, so why not a proposal? $380 a month until something more pressing comes up, then reevaluate.

Proposals can be shot down at any time due to voting, correct? So it might not even be 6 months of payments, though I'm sure there will be some inertia helping proposals that have already been voted 'yes'.

EDIT: Whoops, not quite in agreement

Round 1 is won by toknormal
https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-1.6372/#post-70263
Round 2 ETA 24 hours

In the mean time we still have this one unsolved :
https://forum.bitcoin.com/dash-f67/qwizzie-s-cryptogram-puzzle-number-1-t1266.html

Edit : and no, its not the same puzzle

Your account is very reliable

I think that this services arent for all dashuser, you could put a fee or ads, if we dont user your service... we dont pay 960 dash for it...

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+1.  It's great to see proposals coming from outside of the core team.  This is exactly what the system was designed for.

https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-1.6372/

* to keep things official (and organised) pls post the solution on the dashtalk forum...