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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 2229. (Read 9723926 times)

legendary
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A Proposal to the Entire DASH Community:

Hello, my name is Bill Cassidy and I've been an enthusiastic supporter of DASH since March 2014. Over the course of the last 3 months I've become more involved with the community on dashtalk, reddit, slack and BCT. I am aware of the trolling, arguments and quite literally bullcrap happening in this specific thread. In fact most people around the community are aware of it.

I get it. As supporters of DASH sometimes we are compelled to respond to the people who BASH it. We are compelled to defend the very thing we put our time, money and effort into.

Trolling is not some new phenomenon. Anybody who knows a thing or two about internets knows damn well trolls exists and will always exists. The thing is they want you to respond, they want you to feel compelled to argue. it gives them satisfaction knowing that they somehow got to you one way or another.

So you may think that you are doing some justice to DASH by defending it against the BASHERS. But you are not. All you are doing is giving them exactly what they want.

What really sucks is that on BCT the users you ignore are not hidden. Instead we see a little box that says "this user is currently ignored" - sometimes when I see this I feel compelled to unignore the person to see what they say. I'm sure some of you feel that compulsion as well.

The Proposal:
At page 5000 we just stop giving them what they want.
I know how hard it is. I know how badly you want to respond. I know there are people who have said this over, and over and over again. But it does nothing for the community. Lets make a pact as a community to ensure the next 5000 pages do not contain any responses to the BASHERS of us DASHERS.

Good thinking Rusta - Bust
i am all in !
Ok Tante you are lucky because we didn't reach page 5000 Wink

I'm in too!

Edit : oh!! We were at 2 page to go, now 4.... Another kind of black hole around...
hero member
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legendary
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ex uno plures
legendary
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Aren't you the sour puss.  Is that why our Masternodes keep rising?
legendary
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As Splawik12 appears to be sleeping :

2 pages to 5K!

Edit : oups 2!

Edit2: back in the past... 4 now!
sr. member
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What's with the Trollero ambush-marketing squad.  Is MyMonero down again?  Huh

legendary
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people like Icebreaker are not interested in what is right or good, they're being paid to troll here, I'm sure of it.  Why?  Well, I suspect banking interests or a government

Indeed. Anybody that pushes cryptonote tech is either a useful idiot or working for exactly those interests.

How to 'take down crypto', old guard style:

 - get rid of the publicly accountable blockchain
 - sell it as the opposite of what it is: an open goal for 3rd party subversion
 - parachute in an 'ultra secure' tech that nobody knows where came from except you
 - employ a few human drones to go round poking people's eye's out if they don't swallow your medicine
Rux
legendary
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https://crypto.ba
legendary
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I think it is a bit unfair the way that you are using rhetoric to support your cause. Since most of us had to discover what the world was really like by our self, most of us where not born into an enlightened environment. Therefore the paradigm shift towards this type of counter culture can happen later in life. Most of us did not see the dystopia coming, and at some point believed in the illusion of mainstream society since most of us where not born into this alternative understanding. Unless you had very special parents, which is how the cycle can be broken. Smiley

I am a supporter of DASH since I think if it did become more widely adopted it would make the world a much better place. Since most cryptocurrencies are profoundly better then fiat currencies and the centralized banking systems that most people use today. I do appreciate you bringing these issues to our attention, since I embrace criticism, so I thank you for that. I just do not think you always go about it in the right way. I have looked up and researched the issues you have mentioned, and I do believe that these points of centralization are just temporary solutions that will be decentralized in the future as is claimed by the developers of DASH.

You are actually making Monero look bad which is not fair on Monero either since you are just an individual speaking out freely and you do not necessarily represent the spirit of the Monero community. I actually hold several anon coins including Monero which I personally think is a great project, I also do love reading George Orwell. We should all just be able to get along, instead of fighting each other we should focus on the bigger picture and bring the cryptocurrency revolution to the rest of the world. Smiley

I know I sound a little like I'm nuts, or a conspiracy theorist when I say this, but people like Icebreaker are not interested in what is right or good, they're being paid to troll here, I'm sure of it.  Why?  Well, I suspect banking interests or a government, but I doubt he would know why someone is paying him.  If you look into his history, you will discover who he really is and what kind of person he is. 

Anyway, totally with you on growing up.  My parents were gung ho new American citizens.  Mom made me learn America the Beautiful and the Star Spangled Banner as a kid.  She was very proud of becoming and American citizen, and when I talk politics to her, you can see her waffle when she agrees on a criticism of the country, LOL.  I think my journey that has led me here, to this point in time, has been slow but steady.  By the time I finally looked into Bitcoin in the beginning of 2014, I was already turning.  I still love my country, there were many good things about it, but it's been destroyed slowly but surely since I can remember by politicians.  The way I see it, this is the best chance we have to take back control over our government which is no longer for the people by the people.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I think it is a bit unfair the way that you are using rhetoric to support your cause. Since most of us had to discover what the world was really like by our self, most of us where not born into an enlightened environment. Therefore the paradigm shift towards this type of counter culture can happen later in life. Most of us did not see the dystopia coming, and at some point believed in the illusion of mainstream society since most of us where not born into this alternative understanding. Unless you had very special parents, which is how the cycle can be broken. Smiley

I am a supporter of DASH since I think if it did become more widely adopted it would make the world a much better place. Since most cryptocurrencies are profoundly better then fiat currencies and the centralized banking systems that most people use today. I do appreciate you bringing these issues to our attention, since I embrace criticism, so I thank you for that. I just do not think you always go about it in the right way. I have looked up and researched the issues you have mentioned, and I do believe that these points of centralization are just temporary solutions that will be decentralized in the future as is claimed by the developers of DASH.

You are actually making Monero look bad which is not fair on Monero either since you are just an individual speaking out freely and you do not necessarily represent the spirit of the Monero community. I actually hold several anon coins including Monero which I personally think is a great project, I also do love reading George Orwell. We should all just be able to get along, instead of fighting each other we should focus on the bigger picture and bring the cryptocurrency revolution to the rest of the world. Smiley

Thank you for a sincere response to a sincere post.

How do you feel about the immediate characterization of my post as "trolling?"

Isn't that a completely typical DashHole cultist reaction to well-founded critiques and pertinent observations?

As for the "temporary points of centralization" please understand that such expedient measures have a way of becoming ingrained, and the technical obstacles to removing them would require innovation on the order of Satoshi Consensus (a rare, once in an epoch, great step for Mankind comparable to the moon landing).

I'd like to believe Duffman is another Satoshi, but let's keep it real here.  He isn't.  And thus your supremely lofty expectations of his abilities are not reasonable.  

For example, one does not simply "decentralize the Reference Node."  Let's admit those who claim the Reference Node, hardcoded collateral address, and Spork remote killswitch may be disposed of with normative efforts are being intentionally dishonest when they portray these 'shortcuts' as conceivably (much less trivially) replaceable in a manner compatible with the diffuse/distributed/resilient and thus antifragile ethos of Bitcoin.

Please understand why your pleas for ecumenical solidarity with Monero are being and will always be rejected on face.

We are fans of XMR precisely because it features qualities lacking (or even rejected) by Dash.

You know the score, and can see why we won't ever find common cause with a coin which was initially closed source (an unforgivable sin) and stealth/ambush-launched/mined previous to the announced release schedule (another blasphemy against Lord Nakamoto).

The closed source, the shady release and resulting sketchy instamine, the unapologetic (supposed) community embrace of that history, the multiple centralized features claiming to be only temporary, and the autocratic vibe of Dash development all prevent us Monero Mustangs from ever wanting DashHoles in our foxholes, and require us to speak out.
legendary
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I am sorry i could not help my self, at least some inspired writing came out of it. Who knows maybe my last sentence might resonate with some of them. Smiley
Yes, it was very eloquent, and I agree completely, but the twisted minds of the sideshow clowns will probably take that well reasoned piece of writing and turn it against you somehow. The last few pages were a joy to read, either "this user is currently ignored", or relevant Dash conversation mixed with some off topic fun. I hope we will have the discipline as a community to continue to not give in to these idiots.  Cheesy
legendary
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Who knows maybe my last sentence might resonate with some of them. Smiley

There's about as much chance of that as a passage of Mozart resonating with a dead hippo but nice try anyway. Your inspired prose will find its way to more fertile minds.
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I am sorry i could not help my self, at least some inspired writing came out of it. Who knows maybe my last sentence might resonate with some of them. Smiley
legendary
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Dash Nation Founder | CATV Host
As a techie, I loved data mining technology. As a human being I am outraged at how it is being used by corporate and government interests. I should have seen the dystopia coming, but I didn't.
I think it is a bit unfair the way that you are using rhetoric to support your cause. Since most of us had to discover what the world was really like by our self, most of us where not born into an enlightened environment. Therefore the paradigm shift towards this type of counter culture can happen later in life. Most of us did not see the dystopia coming, and at some point believed in the illusion of mainstream society since most of us where not born into this alternative understanding. Unless you had very special parents, which is how the cycle can be broken. Smiley

I am a supporter of DASH since I think if it did become more widely adopted it would make the world a much better place. Since most cryptocurrencies are profoundly better then fiat currencies and the centralized banking systems that most people use today. I do appreciate you bringing these issues to our attention, since I embrace criticism, so I thank you for that. I just do not think you always go about it in the right way. I have looked up and researched the issues you have mentioned, and I do believe that these points of centralization are just temporary solutions that will be decentralized in the future as is claimed by the developers of DASH.

You are actually making Monero look bad which is not fair on Monero either since you are just an individual speaking out freely and you do not necessarily represent the spirit of the Monero community. I actually hold several anon coins including Monero which I personally think is a great project, I also do love reading George Orwell. We should all just be able to get along, instead of fighting each other we should focus on the bigger picture and bring the cryptocurrency revolution to the rest of the world. Smiley
Please, if you can help it, do not feed the trolls. We were doing so well...
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As a techie, I loved data mining technology. As a human being I am outraged at how it is being used by corporate and government interests. I should have seen the dystopia coming, but I didn't.

The dystopic/panoptic aspects of databases have been covered exhaustively since the time of Vonnegeut, Orwell, and Foucault.  I don't understand how you could have possibly missed them (perhaps the same way you missed the scam aspects of Dash?).

Speaking of "corporate interests" please note Dash is 100% autocratically controlled by the centralized DARKCOIN FOUNDATION INC.

Please consider realigning your activities with those of us Monero Mustangs, who still run Wild & FreeTM.

We cypherpunks and extropians have for decades been preparing for this long war against digitial dystopia.

That's why we consider the supposedly easily-removed shortcuts (Reference Node, hardcoded collateral address, spork control, Dear Leader rebranding) Dash takes to be absolutely unacceptable.  Such crapware is a false hope and technological dead end.

By supporting an insta/pre-mined HYIP scam coin like Dash, you do a disservice to those fighting in the trenches for resilient bottom-up decentralized solutions not reliant on trusted third parties and top-down cargo cults.
I think it is a bit unfair the way that you are using rhetoric to support your cause. Since most of us had to discover what the world was really like by our self, most of us where not born into an enlightened environment. Therefore the paradigm shift towards this type of counter culture can happen later in life. Most of us did not see the dystopia coming, and at some point believed in the illusion of mainstream society since most of us where not born into this alternative understanding. Unless you had very special parents, which is how the cycle can be broken. Smiley

I am a supporter of DASH since I think if it did become more widely adopted it would make the world a much better place. Since most cryptocurrencies are profoundly better then fiat currencies and the centralized banking systems that most people use today. I do appreciate you bringing these issues to our attention, since I embrace criticism, so I thank you for that. I just do not think you always go about it in the right way. I have looked up and researched the issues you have mentioned, and I do believe that these points of centralization are just temporary solutions that will be decentralized in the future as is claimed by the developers of DASH.

You are actually making Monero look bad which is not fair on Monero either since you are just an individual speaking out freely and you do not necessarily represent the spirit of the Monero community. I actually hold several anon coins including Monero which I personally think is a great project, I also do love reading George Orwell. We should all just be able to get along, instead of fighting each other we should focus on the bigger picture and bring the cryptocurrency revolution to the rest of the world. Smiley
legendary
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Sometimes that's a good thing. They have no idea what they're writing, and it gets struck down in the supreme courts Tongue

If you end up having to go to the supreme court, then you'll get struck down by bankruptcy first.

True.  I give up on California.  Their idiocy is beyond repair and I frankly don't care what they do.  LOL
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