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Smooth likes to come here and post his theory that the only reason for Dash’s high market cap (given it’s “broken” tech) is that it’s a manipulated market by ‘insiders’ holding large amounts of coins. (It isn’t - the reason is that Dash has the right business model and XMR has a doomed one that was never thought through because they became too obsessed with ‘cryptography’. But thats for another post).

In fact I’ve never seen any evidence of this and he has never posted any.

I heard Poloniex owns hundreds of thousands of XMR because they have set up the deposits so that they can't tell who deposited what and users can't prove they made the deposit unless the user knew to send a special ID to go with the transaction. So now they have a high percentage of the XMR float that no one else can claim, and they have the monopoly on the market. There aren't many who would benefit more from the price of XMR going up than Poloniex, perhaps not even one.

You can detect the ‘footrpints’ of a pump and dump operation by doing some volume analysis on the respective big price moves.

I learned this from watching paycoin for weeks - not because I was invested, just because it was quite fascinating to see it in action.

In particular, the OBC (On Balance Volume) has very squarish patterns in it, while the price signal has lots of “reflections” - a big move up, a horizontal section and an equivalent move down.

Here’s what’s been going on over at Poloniex lately…





From that you can’t tell if it’s “deliberate manipulation”. You can only tell that large holders are moving the market and small ones aren’t. You can get clue to motivations, however, by measuring the cost of the pump against the revenue from the dump.

In the following move (this is a longer range chart - 4 hour), the market was ‘coaxed up’ in a move that barely reflected in the volume profile. What this does however is attract large amounts of liquidity into the bid stack of the order book which doesn't manifest itself in the 'upside' volume statistics. What the pumpers then do is wait for sufficient liquidity to appear to absorb their ‘dump’ before selling into it. This then does reflect in the OBC and gives them a huge gain in BTC, even though the price signal would  appear that it was a zero sum game.





Another superb market analysis.
Btw I just tried to update the Monero wallet to try yet again to obtain an accurate Tao ratio for update speeds and the wallet that was fully updated and synched only on friday night is now 86 days behind to catch up! At least if you flog a dead horse, it would still get there in the end bit by bit, after all it has the handy added advantage of always going forward in the time Wink

Happy Easter everyone, please do make sure you eat enough chocolate to get as bloated as a Monero blockchain
and as full as main RAM usage Grin Grin Grin



The worlds largest Easter Egg in Argentina  Cool
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lol.. desperate clowns .. they like red, big and bold fonts  Grin
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it makes me sad seeing a troll trying to get our attention .. and not succeeding.
such waste of time and energy.

oh .. eh .. i think i'm over it now, i just feel my sadness for that troll fading away.

 
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I think it was Ignition_75 who posted the original Darkcoin version of this, but I've updated it to Dash because I think it deserves it.

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this has never been a moderated thread since the start more than a year ago. We survived countless troll attacks in here, no need to moderate it .. just use the ignore button.

When I see newbies on our subreddit asking with genuine interest in the project whether they should buy some DASH or better stay away from it because they "heard it's a premine scam" the Ignore button doesn't help shit. Where do you think they "heard" that bullshit?

i exspect even newbies to do their due diligence and do some research for themselves and not simply believe what some anonymous person typed on some internetforum. Any newbie that starts with those kind of questions makes me doubt they did any research at all and makes me even question their real motives.



  
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Poloniex has sadly become a blatant scam exchange, it's now blacklisted right at the top of the official BlockaFett exchange-scam listings Wink

I wouldn't go that far until there's evidence, they reimbursed my BTC they lost to a hacker a while ago, and my trades and deposits/withdraws have always went smoothly.

Just read the trollbox during an XMR pump, see how the mods jump in when anyone criticized XMR (hardly ever), then watch it go quiet when the dump comes in Wink

sorry I have no problem saying this...XMR is an end-to-end scam, starting with the devs, ending up at Poloniex.  But just my opinion.

Your opinion is full of crap.hitting poloniex just to damage XMR..you should block your fetting mouth on this one.

Darkcoin propaganda is now trying the Poloniex route..hah nice try. Go back to craptsy.
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Smooth likes to come here and post his theory that the only reason for Dash’s high market cap (given it’s “broken” tech) is that it’s a manipulated market by ‘insiders’ holding large amounts of coins. (It isn’t - the reason is that Dash has the right business model and XMR has a doomed one that was never thought through because they became too obsessed with ‘cryptography’. But thats for another post).

In fact I’ve never seen any evidence of this and he has never posted any.

I heard Poloniex owns hundreds of thousands of XMR because they have set up the deposits so that they can't tell who deposited what and users can't prove they made the deposit unless the user knew to send a special ID to go with the transaction. So now they have a high percentage of the XMR float that no one else can claim, and they have the monopoly on the market. There aren't many who would benefit more from the price of XMR going up than Poloniex, perhaps not even one.

You can detect the ‘footrpints’ of a pump and dump operation by doing some volume analysis on the respective big price moves.

I learned this from watching paycoin for weeks - not because I was invested, just because it was quite fascinating to see it in action.

In particular, the OBC (On Balance Volume) has very squarish patterns in it, while the price signal has lots of “reflections” - a big move up, a horizontal section and an equivalent move down.

Here’s what’s been going on over at Poloniex lately…





From that you can’t tell if it’s “deliberate manipulation”. You can only tell that large holders are moving the market and small ones aren’t. You can get clue to motivations, however, by measuring the cost of the pump against the revenue from the dump.

In the following move (this is a longer range chart - 4 hour), the market was ‘coaxed up’ in a move that barely reflected in the volume profile. What this does however is attract large amounts of liquidity into the bid stack of the order book which doesn't manifest itself in the 'upside' volume statistics. What the pumpers then do is wait for sufficient liquidity to appear to absorb their ‘dump’ before selling into it. This then does reflect in the OBC and gives them a huge gain in BTC, even though the price signal would  appear that it was a zero sum game.



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this has never been a moderated thread since the start more than a year ago. We survived countless troll attacks in here, no need to moderate it .. just use the ignore button.

When I see newbies on our subreddit asking with genuine interest in the project whether they should buy some DASH or better stay away from it because they "heard it's a premine scam" the Ignore button doesn't help shit. Where do you think they "heard" that bullshit?
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Blatant off topic ad for a shitcoin unrelated to this thread

bump.....

Do we have to start a petition to get this thread moderated? I am honestly asking, because I have no clue how it works.

When shitcoin tossers start bumping their own shitcoin ads announcing a shitwallet in our DASH-thread and no one deletes it, something is seriously wrong here. Apart from the shitcoin digression in the discussion itself of course.

Moderate this thread NOW

this has never been a moderated thread since the start more than a year ago. We survived countless troll attacks in here, no need to moderate it .. just use the ignore button. I guess its the side-effect of having grown into dominant market position, it automatically brings more viewers and posters to this thread. There is something to be said of being one of the few bitcointalk subforums thats not moderated, reflects the open and honest approach thats part of the Dash culture.
 
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Sell wall stronger than the buy wall... why?
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Blatant off topic ad for a shitcoin unrelated to this thread

bump.....

Do we have to start a petition to get this thread moderated? I am honestly asking, because I have no clue how it works.

When shitcoin tossers start bumping their own shitcoin ads announcing a shitwallet in our DASH-thread and no one deletes it, something is seriously wrong here. Apart from the shitcoin digression in the discussion itself of course.

Moderate this thread NOW
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Decentralize Everything
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For fuck sake please rename this topic to XMR or start to moderate this shit, clearly they have achieved what they wanted !!!

Unfortunately they chose the Dash thread as the best place to expose their scam, and lose all credibility.  It won't be around for long so Dash community just have to put up with it, no need to bother / change anything I think.

5000 ( almost ) posts looks like main reason they choose this tread for propaganda. Its so cheap...Should be moderated long ago...
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For fuck sake please rename this topic to XMR or start to moderate this shit, clearly they have achieved what they wanted !!!

Unfortunately they chose the Dash thread as the best place to expose their scam, and lose all credibility.  It won't be around for long so Dash community just have to put up with it, no need to bother / change anything I think.
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For fuck sake please rename this topic to XMR or start to moderate this shit, clearly they have achieved what they wanted !!!
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My Mn is stuck  Tongue What was the trick to get the blocks moving again ?

Is there some MN troubleshooting guide somewhere that I can bookmark ?  Roll Eyes

Thanks  Smiley

If your masternode is indeed stuck (and not the blockchain which can sometimes get stuck on a block) then all you need to do is restart the wallet with -reindex and it will rebuild the blockchain.

If your block # is the same as the explorer, then it's just a slow block.

Aaahh -reindex that was what i was looking for but it seems to have sorted it self out.  Now up to current block Grin Thanks
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Poloniex has sadly become a blatant scam exchange, it's now blacklisted right at the top of the official BlockaFett exchange-scam listings Wink

I wouldn't go that far until there's evidence, they reimbursed my BTC they lost to a hacker a while ago, and my trades and deposits/withdraws have always went smoothly.

Just read the trollbox during an XMR pump, see how the mods jump in when anyone criticized XMR (hardly ever), then watch it go quiet when the dump comes in Wink

sorry I have no problem saying this...XMR is an end-to-end scam, starting with the devs, ending up at Poloniex.  But just my opinion.

.....and the volume for XMR on Poloniex, it's so realistic, not sure what special effects studio they are using? But WOW! Mind blown for special effects!

Edit: I think the XMR special effects are supplied by: Industrial Light and Poloniex Sell to Self Magic.

lol good one Wink
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Poloniex has sadly become a blatant scam exchange, it's now blacklisted right at the top of the official BlockaFett exchange-scam listings Wink

I wouldn't go that far until there's evidence, they reimbursed my BTC they lost to a hacker a while ago, and my trades and deposits/withdraws have always went smoothly.

Just read the trollbox during an XMR pump, see how the mods jump in when anyone criticized XMR (hardly ever), then watch it go quiet when the dump comes in Wink

sorry I have no problem saying this...XMR is an end-to-end scam, starting with the devs, ending up at Poloniex.  But just my opinion.
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Poloniex has sadly become a blatant scam exchange, it's now blacklisted right at the top of the official BlockaFett exchange-scam listings Wink

I wouldn't go that far until there's evidence (unlike some other people on some other cases), they reimbursed my BTC they lost to a hacker a while ago, and my trades and deposits/withdraws have always went smoothly.
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