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legendary
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In fact more than cringe, I start thinking "forget it, if that's the main driver of Darkcoin, count me out".

Hi RenegadeMan,

You have made your position about the negativity aspect of drugs very clear. I can truly appreciate that and am in no way condoning that behavior.  I completely understand your concern about widespread adoption, however I feel that this particular issue is one of the freedom-oriented aspects of crypto that simply cannot be compromised on because it defeats the whole purpose.

At the risk of citing libertarian rhetoric, I'm sure you're familiar with the phrase "guns don't kill people, people do."  The same could be said for knives, rocks, cars, sticks, and so on.  So what do rocks have in common with Darkcoin? They're untraceable facts of nature that simply exist in the world where we humans live.  Instead of trying to blame rocks for the downfall of humanity, try talking to the person and see what's bothering him. 

If you start regulating/restricting/confiscating/tracking all of the "tools" which someone whose behavior you don't agree with uses, then pretty soon you will be left with nothing but empty space and no air to breathe.

It is fine to be upset about negative behavior, but please, please don't blame the cash!  It didn't do anything but exist for people to use it!

Completely fungible money is a unversal right for everyone which should never be taken away.  You should be very proud of the fact that you are actively contributing in a community that is gifting something to the world which will benefit 100% of society by improving productivity.  100% is one-hundred-percent, good and bad.  What they choose to do with it is up to them.  If you can decide WHO uses it and for WHAT, then you are back to square one with an opportunity for centralized authoritarian control, social engineering, and worse. 

let me ask you this: If Darkcoin's unversal fungibility spurs economic growth that eventually amounts to us becoming a space-faring race with 25 colonized planets and 500 billion humans, but the same 10~15% of that population uses drugs or does nefarious things, is that still unacceptable to you?


BOOM! +1
full member
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In fact more than cringe, I start thinking "forget it, if that's the main driver of Darkcoin, count me out".

Hi RenegadeMan,

You have made your position about the negativity aspect of drugs very clear. I can truly appreciate that and am in no way condoning that behavior.  I completely understand your concern about widespread adoption, however I feel that this particular issue is one of the freedom-oriented aspects of crypto that simply cannot be compromised on because it defeats the whole purpose.

At the risk of citing libertarian rhetoric, I'm sure you're familiar with the phrase "guns don't kill people, people do."  The same could be said for knives, rocks, cars, sticks, and so on.  So what do rocks have in common with Darkcoin? They're untraceable facts of nature that simply exist in the world where we humans live.  Instead of trying to blame rocks for the downfall of humanity, try talking to the person and see what's bothering him. 

If you start regulating/restricting/confiscating/tracking all of the "tools" which someone whose behavior you don't agree with uses, then pretty soon you will be left with nothing but empty space and no air to breathe.

It is fine to be upset about negative behavior, but please, please don't blame the cash!  It didn't do anything but exist for people to use it!

Completely fungible money is a unversal right for everyone which should never be taken away.  You should be very proud of the fact that you are actively contributing in a community that is gifting something to the world which will benefit 100% of society by improving productivity.  100% is one-hundred-percent, good and bad.  What they choose to do with it is up to them.  If you can decide WHO uses it and for WHAT, then you are back to square one with an opportunity for centralized authoritarian control, social engineering, and worse. 

let me ask you this: If Darkcoin's unversal fungibility spurs economic growth that eventually amounts to us becoming a space-faring race with 25 colonized planets and 500 billion humans, but the same 10~15% of that population uses drugs or does nefarious things, is that still unacceptable to you?
legendary
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The latest shift for the Darkcoin multipool paid out over 15 DRK.

We have the new multipool now running full steam so now all my pool's hash rates are combined and already showing great results and payments are flowing. This should increase and stabilize the profitability  

Miners that use X11, get paid DRK above and beyond what I mention here. This is because when we find a DRK block, you instantly get allocated your DRK share and it gets paid within a few hours of a block maturing. You don't need to wait for any exchanging so you'll get more frequent DRK payments as more DRK blocks are found.

Any problems, please PM as I may miss your post.

Cheers!

www.xpool.ca
legendary
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hero member
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2. Victims of prohibition comprise a huge market – one that should be served. The state “prosecutor” Timothy Howard and FBI employee Ilhwan Yum claimed that blockchain evidence linked supposed drug payments to Ulbricht personally.

That's the thing about open ledgers – they're available for review by the ill-intentioned, as well.

In response to this very conundrum, cryptocurrencies like Darkcoin and BitcoinDark have cropped up, promising to make the oppressed lives of those who buy and sell drugs just a little easier.

And “Bitcoin maximalists” scoff at these coins, decrying that they detract from Bitcoin's “market cap.” That so-called altcoins hurt cryptocurrency's potential by diluting the “network effect” of Satoshi's coin.

These maximalists are in effect shunning a gargantuan (and growing) market for cryptocurrency.

Those seeking anonymous payments should instead be catered to, marketed to, and courted as customers, not swept under the rug as a kind of reputation stain.

You want mass adoption? Then look to drugs. It doesn't get more mass adopted than that.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113447/4-lessons-to-learn-from-ross-ulbrichts-trial

This. ^^ Period.  It's why btc grew and it'll be why the next well marketed anon altcoin will grow.

I worry about DRK missing the boat in this area.

*edit: Perfect application for DRK as I doubt Coinbase would even entertain the thought of you using their BTC for your legal weed.  http://cointelegraph.com/news/113437/bitcoin-friendly-cannabis-vending-machines-makes-historic-debut-in-seattle

I read postings like these with comments like this:

Quote
You want mass adoption? Then look to drugs. It doesn't get more mass adopted than that.

and

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Perfect application for DRK


and I just cringe and cringe and cringe.

In fact more than cringe, I start thinking "forget it, if that's the main driver of Darkcoin, count me out".

I know all the arguments and have heard all the "we can't control what people use it for" reasoning but honestly guys, if you're excited that the black market for illicit drugs will grab hold of Darkcoin and adopt it as the mainstay crypto because of all the great anon features in Darkcoin and Darkcoin will rally and this drug-based adoption will push it to new highs (and you're believing this is a great thing for Darkcoin) I think you're a bunch of fuckwits with even less intelligence than your obvious naivety suggests.

If Darkcoin becomes THE main drug currency and replaces BTC mostly on the back of the drug trade I think it will be a travesty as we will have completely lost control of what it is and it will be impossible for it to be seen as anything other than a totally nefarious and criminal enterprise. Many many good people will probably walk away at that point as they don't want to be involved in something that's just so on-the-nose and destructive.

I just don't think people are "thinking" clearly about this. It could turn into an unrecoverable disaster for Darkcoin.

(standing by to be hit with a barrage of "You're not understanding what an anon crypto really achieves"...blah blah over-the-top-libertarian-rhetoric-blah. Bottom line is that if DRK is primarily a drug currency, I'm out as I just cannot and don't want to support it).
sr. member
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Independent Cryptoveloper
Thanks for clearing up the premined issue for me, so many coins out there i must be getting mixed up.
I will look into this offical wallet tomorrow.


Its not safe to keep all your coins on that android wallet. There were some issues not long time ago, where the wallet could not connect to the network... Plus theres is no darksend and probably never will be...

The Android Wallet is being upgraded with PIN support, which will make it safer.  As far as DarkSend, I am just one programmer and could use a lot of help adding in the Darkcoin Specific features to the wallet app. (https://github.com/HashEngineering/darkcoinj)

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/android-wallet-v4.3899 - beta program for upgraded android wallet.
sr. member
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I finally managed to get my hands on one Raspberry Pi 2 and the first thing I did was:
Enjoy  Cool

That's so epic!

nice!

makes the masternode-network even more hard to take down...
hero member
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Sent 25MH into xpool.ca Let the dark roll in...
full member
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I still have one question... Where in the world is Shojayxt Sandiego???
I suspect in either Carmen Idaho or Carmen Oklahoma.  Roll Eyes
full member
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Hey guys, I finally finished the guide on how to use the Darkcoin wallet on Windows. Please leave me some feedback to improve it even further!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/guide-for-darkcoin-wallet-windows-rev1-1-updated-06-february-2015.3881/

Now.. back to translating the wallet! Grin

That looks amazing!

Good Guide...
Thank you! This opens a world of possibilities. Grin Grin Grin
sr. member
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Does anyone have a list of VPS providers out there that accept Darkcoin?  I want to setup a couple more masternodes but want to use a different provider from my current one.

Thanks.

Here's one:
http://www.qhoster.com/linux-vps.html


edit

Two more:
https://www.flokinet.is/servers
http://libertyvps.net/offshore-vps/

Actually I took the last two from https://darkcointalk.org/threads/merchant-directory-listing-updated-3rd-feb-2015.3445/. I can't see anywhere on the LibertyVPS site where it says that Darkcoin is accepted though. Maybe it's staring right at me. Does anyone know if DRK is actually accepted?
sr. member
Activity: 447
Merit: 250
Does anyone have a list of VPS providers out there that accept Darkcoin?  I want to setup a couple more masternodes but want to use a different provider from my current one.

Thanks.

Here's one:
http://www.qhoster.com/linux-vps.html


edit

Two more:
https://www.flokinet.is/servers
http://libertyvps.net/offshore-vps/
newbie
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Does anyone have a list of VPS providers out there that accept Darkcoin?  I want to setup a couple more masternodes but want to use a different provider from my current one.

Thanks.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Independent Cryptoveloper
Follow this link if you are interested in trying the newest beta program of the Android Wallet.  It has been updated to include the newest features from the Bitcoin Wallet for Android.  It does not yet have InstantX or DarkSend.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/android-wallet-v4.3899/
sr. member
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2. Victims of prohibition comprise a huge market – one that should be served. The state “prosecutor” Timothy Howard and FBI employee Ilhwan Yum claimed that blockchain evidence linked supposed drug payments to Ulbricht personally.

That's the thing about open ledgers – they're available for review by the ill-intentioned, as well.

In response to this very conundrum, cryptocurrencies like Darkcoin and BitcoinDark have cropped up, promising to make the oppressed lives of those who buy and sell drugs just a little easier.

And “Bitcoin maximalists” scoff at these coins, decrying that they detract from Bitcoin's “market cap.” That so-called altcoins hurt cryptocurrency's potential by diluting the “network effect” of Satoshi's coin.

These maximalists are in effect shunning a gargantuan (and growing) market for cryptocurrency.

Those seeking anonymous payments should instead be catered to, marketed to, and courted as customers, not swept under the rug as a kind of reputation stain.

You want mass adoption? Then look to drugs. It doesn't get more mass adopted than that.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113447/4-lessons-to-learn-from-ross-ulbrichts-trial

This. ^^ Period.  It's why btc grew and it'll be why the next well marketed anon altcoin will grow.

I worry about DRK missing the boat in this area.

*edit: Perfect application for DRK as I doubt Coinbase would even entertain the thought of you using their BTC for your legal weed.  http://cointelegraph.com/news/113437/bitcoin-friendly-cannabis-vending-machines-makes-historic-debut-in-seattle
sr. member
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www.dashpay.io
After some deep, deep analysis, I'm seeing a 1 week Troll candle go green.

Given InstantX release testing is looking like it's nearing completion, we may just see a rise in posts from the usual suspects:

shills
the insane
Xbox vs Ps3 type fanboys
Purist zealots from the order of Bitcoin - "You shall not pass!'

to name a few......

Do not fear as I firmly believe that this insta mined and X11 copy of a coin is robust enough to carry on through to the other side of the Instant X release.  Now I'm off to InstaIsland to party like it's err, well, insta mined.


Haha Brilliant analysis and extremely true...  Expect it to reach fever pitch before InstantX goes live...

I still have one question... Where in the world is Shojayxt Sandiego???
sr. member
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www.dashpay.io
Hey guys, I finally finished the guide on how to use the Darkcoin wallet on Windows. Please leave me some feedback to improve it even further!

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/guide-for-darkcoin-wallet-windows-rev1-1-updated-06-february-2015.3881/

Now.. back to translating the wallet! Grin

That looks amazing!

Good Guide...
hero member
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Merit: 500
The Buck Stops Here.
I finally managed to get my hands on one Raspberry Pi 2 and the first thing I did was:
Enjoy  Cool

That's so epic!
legendary
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Merit: 1000
-snip-
I finally managed to get my hands on one Raspberry Pi 2 and the first thing I did was:

Cool.

Will be buying a couple.

Cheers
legendary
Activity: 1052
Merit: 1004
I finally managed to get my hands on one Raspberry Pi 2 and the first thing I did was:



to put a testnet masternode up & running  Wink



This hardware is clearly enough for now  Cool

Be aware that this is just a PoC type of project, I don't have any knowledge about stability long term yet.


Quick reference:

Download Raspbian from the official site
http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

Follow the instructions to get it running on your Rpi 2.

Update the system
Code:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

Install the necessary libraries
Code:
sudo apt-get install build-essential
(this should be already present and updated)


sudo apt-get install libtool autotools-dev autoconf
sudo apt-get install libssl-dev


sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev

sudo apt-get install libdb-dev

sudo apt-get install libdb++-dev

sudo apt-get install libminiupnpc-dev

This will install libdb5.1. The version used in darcoind is 4.8 so the databases created with this binary will not be compatible with the official binaries but it works just fine.

Then get the source and build

Code:
git clone https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin.git -b v0.11.1.x

cd darkcoin

./autogen.sh
./configure --with-incompatible-bdb
make

After starting the build, go get some coffee outside, spend time with your family or go and do some other thing you like because it's going to take a while to finish...

Once the binaries are ready follow the instructions to get the masternode running.
 
Enjoy  Cool
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