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At some point, you have to admit that that which must not be spoken, it being spoken about by others.



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MasterJoin

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If WankCoin or TitCoin copypaste MasterNodes...

Like it or not, that which shall not be named is being named incorrectly because of the name. You can ignore it, but the FUDsters won't. Inviting the CoinJoin FUD...

DarkSend is not CoinJoin. Not even close. But the name would lead you to believe... Whatever.
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From the Instant(Tx) Whitepaper:

5.2 Transaction Lock Compatibility Mode

To enable backwards compatibility with all existing software (exchanges, pools, etc), clients will
default to showing 24 hours of confirmations of transactions that have been successfully locked.
This will provide all services using Darkcoin to benefit from instant transactions without having to
implement anything specific.

If a client needs the daemon to function in the old way, there will be a flag to disable this mode.


Good thinking  Smiley



This section might need some work too.

Current raw blockchain (no other transactions)
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156KB per block * days in a year) / mb /gb
((60/2.5)*158*365)/1024/1024

1.31GB per year

Even without anything... the blockchain grows pretty fast. In 5 years we're looking at 5-15GB depending on the transaction volume.

((60/20)*158*365)/1024/1024

0.16GB per year

That means that we can save over a gig a year by increasing the confirmation time. The idea is we want less bloat and faster transactions, so we should be able to get both without sacrificing anything.

Am I missing something? Why aren't hours/day included in the calculations? Shouldn't it be like:
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156(158?)KB per block * hours in a day * days in a year) / MB / GB
((60/2.5)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~31.68 GB?

And second calculation:
((60/20)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~3.96 GB?

Thus, the move would save 31.68 - 3.96 = 27.72 GB / year?


60 minutes / 2.5 minutes/block * 158 bytes per block (w/o txs) * 24 hours * 365 days / 1024 (bytes/kilobyte)/(1024 kb/megabytes) = 31 megabytes not 31 gigabytes!

Ah, yeah. Long day! Thanks
legendary
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From the Instant(Tx) Whitepaper:

5.2 Transaction Lock Compatibility Mode

To enable backwards compatibility with all existing software (exchanges, pools, etc), clients will
default to showing 24 hours of confirmations of transactions that have been successfully locked.
This will provide all services using Darkcoin to benefit from instant transactions without having to
implement anything specific.

If a client needs the daemon to function in the old way, there will be a flag to disable this mode.


Good thinking  Smiley



This section might need some work too.

Current raw blockchain (no other transactions)
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156KB per block * days in a year) / mb /gb
((60/2.5)*158*365)/1024/1024

1.31GB per year

Even without anything... the blockchain grows pretty fast. In 5 years we're looking at 5-15GB depending on the transaction volume.

((60/20)*158*365)/1024/1024

0.16GB per year

That means that we can save over a gig a year by increasing the confirmation time. The idea is we want less bloat and faster transactions, so we should be able to get both without sacrificing anything.

Am I missing something? Why aren't hours/day included in the calculations? Shouldn't it be like:
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156(158?)KB per block * hours in a day * days in a year) / MB / GB
((60/2.5)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~31.68 GB?

And second calculation:
((60/20)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~3.96 GB?

Thus, the move would save 31.68 - 3.96 = 27.72 GB / year?


60 minutes / 2.5 minutes/block * 158 bytes per block (w/o txs) * 24 hours * 365 days / 1024 (bytes/kilobyte)/(1024 kb/megabytes) = 31 megabytes not 31 gigabytes!

There we go, thanks. I knew something wasn't right with that math, as it wasn't matching up with reality in the slightest, haha.

My whole appdata folder at present is only around 400 MB, with almost 139,000 blocks under its belt (2/3rds of a year's worth).

Anyway, looks like the move would only save around ~28MB / year.
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From the Instant(Tx) Whitepaper:

5.2 Transaction Lock Compatibility Mode

To enable backwards compatibility with all existing software (exchanges, pools, etc), clients will
default to showing 24 hours of confirmations of transactions that have been successfully locked.
This will provide all services using Darkcoin to benefit from instant transactions without having to
implement anything specific.

If a client needs the daemon to function in the old way, there will be a flag to disable this mode.


Good thinking  Smiley



This section might need some work too.

Current raw blockchain (no other transactions)
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156KB per block * days in a year) / mb /gb
((60/2.5)*158*365)/1024/1024

1.31GB per year

Even without anything... the blockchain grows pretty fast. In 5 years we're looking at 5-15GB depending on the transaction volume.

((60/20)*158*365)/1024/1024

0.16GB per year

That means that we can save over a gig a year by increasing the confirmation time. The idea is we want less bloat and faster transactions, so we should be able to get both without sacrificing anything.

Am I missing something? Why aren't hours/day included in the calculations? Shouldn't it be like:
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156(158?)KB per block * hours in a day * days in a year) / MB / GB
((60/2.5)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~31.68 GB?

And second calculation:
((60/20)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~3.96 GB?

Thus, the move would save 31.68 - 3.96 = 27.72 GB / year?


60 minutes / 2.5 minutes/block * 158 bytes per block (w/o txs) * 24 hours * 365 days / 1024 (bytes/kilobyte)/(1024 kb/megabytes) = 31 megabytes not 31 gigabytes!
legendary
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From the Instant(Tx) Whitepaper:

5.2 Transaction Lock Compatibility Mode

To enable backwards compatibility with all existing software (exchanges, pools, etc), clients will
default to showing 24 hours of confirmations of transactions that have been successfully locked.
This will provide all services using Darkcoin to benefit from instant transactions without having to
implement anything specific.

If a client needs the daemon to function in the old way, there will be a flag to disable this mode.


Good thinking  Smiley



This section might need some work too.

Current raw blockchain (no other transactions)
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156KB per block * days in a year) / mb /gb
((60/2.5)*158*365)/1024/1024

1.31GB per year

Even without anything... the blockchain grows pretty fast. In 5 years we're looking at 5-15GB depending on the transaction volume.

((60/20)*158*365)/1024/1024

0.16GB per year

That means that we can save over a gig a year by increasing the confirmation time. The idea is we want less bloat and faster transactions, so we should be able to get both without sacrificing anything.

Am I missing something? Why aren't hours/day included in the calculations? Shouldn't it be like:
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156(158?)KB per block * hours in a day * days in a year) / MB / GB
((60/2.5)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~31.68 GB?

And second calculation:
((60/20)*158*24*365)/1024/1024 = ~3.96 GB?

Thus, the move would save 31.68 - 3.96 = 27.72 GB / year?

Edit: but that's not right, DRK's blockchain isn't nearly that big now...

Edit2: As pointed out below, each block uses space measured in mere bytes, not KB.
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as for instant transactions the two parties that will appreciate most them is..day traders who need to move coins quickly and exchanges will prob add  drk/alt pairing just like bittex and polo did for bc. Cool

Um the denominations would go faster too no?

Adoptionadoptionadoption.

Yeah traders will love it. But it'll also be super cool buying something. Both for buyer and seller.

Send. Done.
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as for instant transactions the two parties that will appreciate most them is..day traders who need to move coins quickly and exchanges will prob add  drk/alt pairing just like bittex and polo did for bc. Cool
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Darkcoin will gradually begin to sober down all BTC holders and eventually will replace it. The real question is not if but when. However these BTC holders are still in their usual hypnotic state (depicted for clarity):



 
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there is no point in going to btc reddit etc. you will get shot down no matter what, its kinda like when a troll of any coin comes here to tell us about their new coins new features. what do we do to them..do we listen, do we debate, do we give a f***,lol no.  
i say its best we just concentrate on what drk is good at ...bein annon and getting adoption on places like open baazar and any other digital industry that requires privacy but doesnt have it (online casinos,porn,sr2 etc ) once we have a entry into these markets ( jus like btc did )we must prove it works there first. then we can then focus on the big guns..paypal,overtstock,dell,expedia, they will probly come themselfs by this point.
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The Buck Stops Here.

At some point, you have to admit that that which must not be spoken, it being spoken about by others.





That's when I stopped replying.
legendary
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Dash Developer
From the Instant(Tx) Whitepaper:

5.2 Transaction Lock Compatibility Mode

To enable backwards compatibility with all existing software (exchanges, pools, etc), clients will
default to showing 24 hours of confirmations of transactions that have been successfully locked.
This will provide all services using Darkcoin to benefit from instant transactions without having to
implement anything specific.

If a client needs the daemon to function in the old way, there will be a flag to disable this mode.


Good thinking  Smiley



This section might need some work too.

Current raw blockchain (no other transactions)
(60m / 2.5m confirmation time) * 156KB per block * days in a year) / mb /gb
((60/2.5)*158*365)/1024/1024

1.31GB per year

Even without anything... the blockchain grows pretty fast. In 5 years we're looking at 5-15GB depending on the transaction volume.

((60/20)*158*365)/1024/1024

0.16GB per year

That means that we can save over a gig a year by increasing the confirmation time. The idea is we want less bloat and faster transactions, so we should be able to get both without sacrificing anything.
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At some point, you have to admit that that which must not be spoken, it being spoken about by others.



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MasterJoin

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From the Instant(Tx) Whitepaper:

5.2 Transaction Lock Compatibility Mode

To enable backwards compatibility with all existing software (exchanges, pools, etc), clients will
default to showing 24 hours of confirmations of transactions that have been successfully locked.
This will provide all services using Darkcoin to benefit from instant transactions without having to
implement anything specific.

If a client needs the daemon to function in the old way, there will be a flag to disable this mode.


Good thinking  Smiley

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The Buck Stops Here.
I thought it might be useful reading:

r/Bitcoin comment:

So if 10 malicious master nodes became chosen one round, they can suddenly allow double spending for their agents around the network? It seems like this isn't avoiding a sybil, it is implementing one.

eduffield:

Maybe the paper needs to be reworded on this point because you're missing the general idea. Masternode consensus is a event, like a block event that will reverse conflicting transactions with the same inputs on the network. It will modify the memory pool. The Bitcoin waits for a block, Darkcoin will be able to do it TX by TX. So double spends become impossible.

It's just astonishing it wasn't downvoted to oblivion on the Bitcoin subreddit. Just to have a somewhat civil discussion about the technology is a huge win.
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The Buck Stops Here.
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I thought it might be useful reading:

r/Bitcoin comment:

So if 10 malicious master nodes became chosen one round, they can suddenly allow double spending for their agents around the network? It seems like this isn't avoiding a sybil, it is implementing one.

eduffield:

Maybe the paper needs to be reworded on this point because you're missing the general idea. Masternode consensus is a event, like a block event that will reverse conflicting transactions with the same inputs on the network. It will modify the memory pool. The Bitcoin network waits for a block, Darkcoin will be able to do it TX by TX. So double spends become impossible.
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Well that sucks..

"I have identified a few privacy-related issues in the code. For the time being, I recommend that users pause use of Darksend+ for privacy purposes, or bolster them with other blockchain privacy tactics as part of a privacy-in-depth strategy, until the issues can be fixed; these issues were reported to the Darkcoin dev team on 2014/09/18, and acknowledged by email by the dev team on the same day. All will be fully disclosed by 2014/10/18 as part of “responsible disclosure” practices. I expect that they will be addressed sooner than 2014/10/18; if corrected Release Candidate binaries are made available before then, I will disclose the issues at that point. For the time being, I’m reserving the following IDs for the issues so that their status can be tracked:"

http://blog.anonymousbitcoinbook.com/2014/09/darkcoin-code-review-results/



I'll have everything he found fixed by Monday.

Outstanding Evan!
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****** PLEASE UPDATE TO v9.13.13 (Stable) OR 10.13.13 (RC) *******

This should fix everything Kristov found except for a possible DOS issue that will have to be fixed later, including the privacy issue. So we should be solid for Monday now.

- Bounds checking in a few places where it was lacking
- Output list in transactions lacked random seeding
- masternode constants for communication are much easier to read now

Everything should still work (Nothing structural was changed), but it would be great it we could anonymize some funds to double check before going live on Monday

Stable Binaries
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/master-rc5/darkcoin-qt
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/master-rc5/darkcoind

RC5 Binaries
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/rc5/darkcoin-qt
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/rc5/darkcoind

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc5-testing.2245/page-46#post-21395

(Testnet only!)

wow, so quick!
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****** PLEASE UPDATE TO v9.13.13 (Stable) OR 10.13.13 (RC) *******

This should fix everything Kristov found except for a possible DOS issue that will have to be fixed later, including the privacy issue. So we should be solid for Monday now.

- Bounds checking in a few places where it was lacking
- Output list in transactions lacked random seeding
- masternode constants for communication are much easier to read now

Everything should still work (Nothing structural was changed), but it would be great it we could anonymize some funds to double check before going live on Monday

Stable Binaries
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/master-rc5/darkcoin-qt
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/master-rc5/darkcoind

RC5 Binaries
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/rc5/darkcoin-qt
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/rc5/darkcoind

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc5-testing.2245/page-46#post-21395

(Testnet only!)
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crazy day in crypto, litecoin just lost 2nd place!

You mean regarding price of 1 unit?

There are coins like 42Coin who have even higher prices per unit than btc, so price per unit is not really relevant.

i was refering to the marketcap but for some reason Ripple doesent count.
I dont know anything about ripple so i cannot really comment.

I stand corrected, i apologise

Go kneel in the corner and say 10 Hail Mary's and 10 Our Father's  Wink
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