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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 4772. (Read 9724017 times)

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Something is wrong today, already earned 29 DRK today with masternodes!
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/1425/

I'm thinking of doing another joint MN, this one with 10 joint owners, 100DRK each, to let smaller holders benefit too. If anyone is interested PM me, I'll start another thread on bitcointalk for it and we can coordinate there... because checking poolhash once or twice a day and seeing your MN get paid feels pretty sweet, more people should have the opportunity!

Why don't you use darkcointalk?
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 Morning folk. Just woke up and got creeped by the MP news.
 What really bothers me there, is that it was not user account, but MP themselves... so why on earth only Vericoin were stolen?
 If it was a service exploit, they would have gone straight to BTC, LTC and heck, even DRK.... why Vericoin?  Huh


Mintpal are bent. Always have been, they're just smart and subtle about it. They run bot armies price-fixing and shorting the coins that every other fool in cryptoland leaves lying there like it's a fucking bank. This time they screwed up somehow, their gamble didn't pay off, and the vericoin devs are in cahoots with them.

Seriously, forking back a blockchain to cover an exchange's stupidity is a horrible precedent. An honest exchange would take the loss and learn from it. Blockchains are not supposed to be fucking time machines to magically repair the screwups of big players.



Someone please explain to me how what was done here is different than TBTF.

What's TBTF?

Too Big To Fail, AKA USA banks circa 2008.

Edit: AKA, the most centralized you can get.

Yeah. This whole VRC - Mintpal thing is really nasty business and sets a dangerous precedent.

The blockchain is supposed to be the truth -- the one thing you can trust -- the one thing that prevents people from being evil for their own good at the expense of others. If you rewind the blockchain to change history (or to do whatever else you please) then what is the point of crypto. Go to a bank and play their games.

Whether the coin would survive this or not is irrelevant.  Mintpal should have set about paying people back. That was the only choice. Rather we now have those devs agreeing to commit what is arguably the worse sin in the world of cryptocurrency -- purposely fudging their own blockchain.  Trustless... yeah right.
legendary
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The MN Partnership has been CLOSED!!

I Welcome:

OAXACA
and
TESQUENURE


as my MN Partners


We now have the required funds for a MN and thanx to GhostPlayer, will soon have another MN to add to the list.

WOOHOO!!!

Good luck guys, me and Lebubar are also jointly masternode-ing.

Maybe the current difficulty in doing it trustlessly is a good thing in some ways - by working together, trust is established, and communities grow. Smiley

I'm thinking of doing another joint MN, this one with 10 joint owners, 100DRK each, to let smaller holders benefit too. If anyone is interested PM me, I'll start another thread on darkcointalk for it and we can coordinate there... because checking poolhash once or twice a day and seeing your MN get paid feels pretty sweet, more people should have the opportunity!
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PoS innovation with Masternodes

You shouldn't use "PoS" to refer to Proof of Service as that abbreviation usually means Proof of Stake. Using "PoS" is misleading and provokes misunderstanding of DRKs features. Proof of Stake is a block generation mechanism which Proof of Service isn't. They are totally different things and shouldn't be mixed up.

I suggest using "PoSVC" or just not abbreviate it at all.

I suggest PRFoSRVC as shortest possible and easy to remember abbreviation.
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Why? Because they are greedy fucks and because they can.

Anyone can see the rampant bot activity on Mintpal just by looking at the order books for a few minutes. Mintpal thus have to admit to having a 'closed beta' trading API - good luck getting access to it without paying them a small fortune.

Basic reason suggests that the biggest users of this 'closed beta' trading API are Mintpal themselves. Since they have mountains of coins that idiots leave on their exchange, it becomes trivially easy for them to bot coin prices up, down or sideways as it suits them, and to long and short at will with other peoples money.

Mostly this works, because they are mostly competent and very experienced at this. They make fortunes and we are all none the wiser.

In this case they fucked up somehow, and as they probably either had the vericoin dev by the balls because he'd paid a large sum to get listed on Mintpal in the first place, or he was in on their scheme from the beginning - think for a moment who's providing the funding for all these shitcoin launches that exchanges benefit from the frenzied trading on! - they jointly decided to do the unthinkable and FUCK WITH THE BLOCKCHAIN for their own benefit.

So, not so much 'Too Big To Fail,' more like, 'We Don't Give A Shit, So Fuck You.' (WDGAS,SFU)



Yup... I dont like this event at all. First time in the entire crypto history to reverse a blockchain to previous state.
 That goes totally against the trustless and irreversible model.

Smells like Gox 2.0 spirit.

 I am 100% off Mintpal for now, BitFinex is my new home.
legendary
Activity: 966
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 Morning folk. Just woke up and got creeped by the MP news.
 What really bothers me there, is that it was not user account, but MP themselves... so why on earth only Vericoin were stolen?
 If it was a service exploit, they would have gone straight to BTC, LTC and heck, even DRK.... why Vericoin?  Huh


Mintpal are bent. Always have been, they're just smart and subtle about it. They run bot armies price-fixing and shorting the coins that every other fool in cryptoland leaves lying there like it's a fucking bank. This time they screwed up somehow, their gamble didn't pay off, and the vericoin devs are in cahoots with them.

Seriously, forking back a blockchain to cover an exchange's stupidity is a horrible precedent. An honest exchange would take the loss and learn from it. Blockchains are not supposed to be fucking time machines to magically repair the screwups of big players.



Someone please explain to me how what was done here is different than TBTF.

What's TBTF?

Too Big To Fail, AKA USA banks circa 2008.

Edit: AKA, the most centralized you can get.

Ah thanks. I'm not sure it's quite the same though.

The exchange model is very similar to the casino model - the house takes its cut, so with plenty of customers, the house makes good money, they don't need to cheat.

They always cheat.

Why? Because they are greedy fucks and because they can.

Anyone can see the rampant bot activity on Mintpal just by looking at the order books for a few minutes. Mintpal thus have to admit to having a 'closed beta' trading API - good luck getting access to it without paying them a small fortune.

Basic reason suggests that the biggest users of this 'closed beta' trading API are Mintpal themselves. Since they have mountains of coins that idiots leave on their exchange, it becomes trivially easy for them to bot coin prices up, down or sideways as it suits them, and to long and short at will with other peoples money.

Mostly this works, because they are mostly competent and very experienced at this. They make fortunes and we are all none the wiser.

In this case they fucked up somehow, and as they probably either had the vericoin dev by the balls because he'd paid a large sum to get listed on Mintpal in the first place, or he was in on their scheme from the beginning - think for a moment who's providing the funding for all these shitcoin launches that exchanges benefit from the frenzied trading on! - they jointly decided to do the unthinkable and FUCK WITH THE BLOCKCHAIN for their own benefit.

So, not so much 'Too Big To Fail,' more like, 'We Don't Give A Shit, So Fuck You.' (WDGAS,SFU)

legendary
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...I'm trying to buy a boat with all the money I made on crypto...

oneway -

I think the page you were looking for is over here... http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2132457.htm
legendary
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Definition of 'Too Big To Fail'


The idea that a business has become so large and ingrained in the economy that a government will provide assistance to prevent its failure. "Too big to fail" describes the belief that if an enormous company fails, it will have a disastrous ripple effect throughout the economy.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/too-big-to-fail.asp
legendary
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 Morning folk. Just woke up and got creeped by the MP news.
 What really bothers me there, is that it was not user account, but MP themselves... so why on earth only Vericoin were stolen?
 If it was a service exploit, they would have gone straight to BTC, LTC and heck, even DRK.... why Vericoin?  Huh


Mintpal are bent. Always have been, they're just smart and subtle about it. They run bot armies price-fixing and shorting the coins that every other fool in cryptoland leaves lying there like it's a fucking bank. This time they screwed up somehow, their gamble didn't pay off, and the vericoin devs are in cahoots with them.

Seriously, forking back a blockchain to cover an exchange's stupidity is a horrible precedent. An honest exchange would take the loss and learn from it. Blockchains are not supposed to be fucking time machines to magically repair the screwups of big players.



Someone please explain to me how what was done here is different than TBTF.

What's TBTF?

Too Big To Fail, AKA USA banks circa 2008.

Edit: AKA, the most centralized you can get.
legendary
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Merit: 1245
maybe Too Big To Fail ? (TBTF)

edit : doesnt make sense.. i know
edit 2 : ahh.. makes sense now
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PoS innovation with Masternodes

You shouldn't use PoS to refer to Proof of Service as that abbreviation usually means Proof of Stake. Using "PoS" is misleading and provokes misunderstanding of DRKs features.

I suggest using "PoSVC" or just not abbreviate it at all.

Well, it is kind of both at the same time, so how about PoS&SVC ?  Grin

Just got word back that http://dark.v2.dedicatedpool.com pool will update TODAY !!!

So, realistically... along with x11.ltc1btc.com, we will have 99,9%  (off the top of my head) of network update and consensus pretty soon.

 Cool


Nicely done GP!
legendary
Activity: 966
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 Morning folk. Just woke up and got creeped by the MP news.
 What really bothers me there, is that it was not user account, but MP themselves... so why on earth only Vericoin were stolen?
 If it was a service exploit, they would have gone straight to BTC, LTC and heck, even DRK.... why Vericoin?  Huh


Mintpal are bent. Always have been, they're just smart and subtle about it. They run bot armies price-fixing and shorting the coins that every other fool in cryptoland leaves lying there like it's a fucking bank. This time they screwed up somehow, their gamble didn't pay off, and the vericoin devs are in cahoots with them.

Seriously, forking back a blockchain to cover an exchange's stupidity is a horrible precedent. An honest exchange would take the loss and learn from it. Blockchains are not supposed to be fucking time machines to magically repair the screwups of big players.



Someone please explain to me how what was done here is different than TBTF.

What's TBTF?
hero member
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Just a repost of Evan's. There is so much crap in this thread its hard to find whats important


Over the past couple of days, I've made huge leaps in the Darksend technology. In fact, RC4 will be the final solution to Darkcoin's anonymity. The client will automatically look at all of your funds and it will be able to tell which funds are not anonymized, if it finds non-anonymous outputs it will run them through a darksend with other clients. After that process, users can send without Darksend using the anonymous outputs for instant transactions without waiting for other nodes (with no upper limit on transaction sizes).

The other thing you're missing is that there is a reason I forked Bitcoin. Adoption for Darkcoin will be MUCH faster and easier for vendors, because all of the APIs are the same.

Expect more news in a few days. I have lots of work to do, but soon we can start testing all of this new functionality.
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As much as I love having a pet troll to mess around with, you win first prize for the fastest one to get onto my ignore list.

/ignored
legendary
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
I have just received word form x11.ltc1btc.com pool operators.

 They are in the process of updating their pool and wallet to latest version!!!!
 With this, DRK becomes the very first alt coin EVER to do a consensus based upgrade, WITHOUT A FORK !!!

 Just waiting for it to go through, and we have 99% of the network, updated and in consensus

 Thank you x11.ltc1btc.com for playing fair! I am now sure they simply did not know about the inner workings of DRK, and were playing by the "shitcoin" rules.

 Once we engaged and I explained the Masternode network, and why they would see -20% profit.... they were very happy to comply.
 Unless I was lied to... pretty soon, ladies and gents, we've done history, together.

  A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO EVAN... invented x11, invented DGW, invented "spork" technology, created Darksend, PoS innovation with Masternodes, and soon, 99% compliance without enforcing anything... holy moly.

And the best is yet to come  Grin

LOL SUPER GP Smiley
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Incredibly poor troll performance.

Obvious, and more importantly BORING. Whatever coin is paying you shouldn't.


We will see in a year if this coin is still there or not...
legendary
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Hey, what gives?

Give, and you shall receive.



Dance donations, dance!

i suck at dancing but i love watching her dance.....
legendary
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another one on the ignore list: oneway
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Incredibly poor troll performance.

Obvious, and more importantly BORING. Whatever coin is paying you shouldn't.
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oneway is headed oneway into my ignorelist as well.

You are so interested by short term profits that you ready to destroy everything...
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