Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 4876. (Read 9723748 times)

It feels good to lose money?  Where do you clowns come from?

These morons weren't here in the beginning like some of us.  They are in so deep that they lash out at anyone that doesn't praise Darkcoin and worship it and it's dev like they are gods.  I was here withing a week of the coin launch.  Since then I have watched in disappointment at the pace of things, lack of communication, unwarranted hype, unrealistic expectations, and the ridiculous cult like mentality that these bag holders have.  The pathetic attacks on people asking legitimate questions is disgusting.

This thread is full of a bunch of ignorant assholes that put all their eggs in one basket and are now bitter because the value of their investment has been halved with no sign of going back up anytime soon if ever.  They have placed all their hopes on RC4 that even if it works will not take DRK back to the levels it was at anytime soon.  There are other alternatives out there for Anonymity that are just as good if not better and people are investing in them.  Darks glory days are likely over.  It will be a slow descent down the list of Coinmarketcap just like dozens of coins before.

I know I'm going to get attacked for this post and I really don't care.  People need to face reality whether they like it or not.  

Do you guys see the problem now? If I or AlexGR go blow up a thread with DRK knowledge we are already wrong, even though we thought we were right. I realize the roadmap changes but it looks like it was never on the map for RC4 but everyone thought it was. Lack of information led to disinformation.

But yes eltito, all those things are/would be very helpful. Thank you for the work you do I appreciate it, I don't want to come off as a dick.

Please see the "Official Announcements" forum on darkcointalk.org.

Most things posted there will be linked on our social media sites, as well as here.

I've spoken with Evan about the need for a change log.  We'll work on it and get it pinned to the top of the Announcements forum on darkcointalk.  Not exactly what you're asking for in terms of road map information, but we could build off of it.


Darkcointalk is in the midst of a complete redesign.  Speaking of which, I haven't checked in with Propulsion on the status of that lately.  Thanks for the reminder.


Great idea, though IMHO Darkcoin.io should be used for this.

Yeah, go isolate your cult in it's own forum.  It's attitudes like yours that are causing people to run not walk away from Darkcoin.

Limp dicks?  Sniveling?  Hold for a couple years?  This is getting ridiculous.  With the size of some of the recent dumps it looks like many REAL Investors have moved on.  Hold for a couple years?  You guys are really lowering the bar now aren't you.  I thought it was going to the moon as soon as RC4 is released, or wasn't it supposed to be RC3?  It's highly likely that Darckoin will be worth nothing in a couple years.

You so called bigger guys keep telling everyone to hold hold hold.  It might take a couple years but hold hold hold.  All the while you're selling.  Too funny.

Agreed. Very good post, as always. Thank you.

To make sure I understand, you're essentially suggesting two things:

1. Provide information to a group of key communicators.

This is a standard part of an information campaign, just not something I've gotten to yet.  Having said that, in this case I'm not sure it would have made all that much difference.

Incidentally, I said I would need to ask Evan about I2P.  Neither that nor IP obfuscation are slated for RC4.

2. A weekly status update.

As I said a day or two ago, this is something we started in the few weeks leading into the first launch of RC3 (we titled them "Development Updates").  After that, there was information coming out more or less every weekend, so that was used in lieu of.  After today I'd like to resume them, where confidentiality permits.

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Humanitee has eloquently put my unspoken words onto forum.

As a professional software dev of 25 years experience I'd just like to say this about the press release / Evan quiet situation.

The MOST DANGEROUS thing you can do in technology is talk up a feature that isn't in the bag yet.

The way Evan is managing this is BANG ON in my book, for 2 reasons:

[1] - everybody is mistakenly thinking that the price is drifting due to lack of "communications" when in fact it isn't. There's been plenty communications over the last few weeks for any serious investor to know where this project is going and the price is drifting due to a natural consolidation as I've just outlined

[2] - the devs themselves are in no position to do both development AND PR. They just are totally mismatched activities because you can't be in touch with the code and with the market at the same time

The most successful approach is periods of silence from the devs punctuated with clear and unambiguous announcements regarding consolidated progress and future objectives. Although I've said "periods of silence of the devs", it doesn't mean the coin can't be promoted during that time - but this clamour to have them stay in touch and communicate on a continuous basis is ludicrous as anyone who's been involved with any serious software project will know.

I think that even some of the rumourmill murmuring that elito's been doing is almost bordering on danger-zone, but he's probably got the balance about right. He's said there's some" interesting stuff going on" and left it at that (which is where it should be left).

We MUST resist the temptation to talk up expectations without backing up with specifics because people's imaginations are always more powerful than the devs ability to deliver and there's the danger of disappointment when the curtain eventually gets pulled back. Better to keep expectations moderate and let the real thing do the talking.


****** HAVING SAID THAT ********

there are lots of things we *can* do to enhance communications in the meantime.

Whats needed (IMHO) is:

[1] - structure the personnel (done: we've now got someone in a dedicated 'communications role' who's got the devs ear)

[2] - structure the media sources (not quite done: have CLEAR and unambiguous sources for press releases rather than a post in the [ANN] thread that gets buried. That may already be done - I'm not sure - but even I'm not clear where that is, if it's here, darkcointalk.org., the wiki, cryptocoin media organs etc). A news history blog would be good so people can chart progress)

[3] - as part of that, a clear "Where we're at and whats the next milestone" indictor. Something that's been asked for a lot on the thread, but again needs to be consolidated in terms on unambiguous source

[4] - a clear and recognised roadmap reference source. This would probably just be the same website as the news source but it needs to be consolidated, have a high profile and not something you need to "dig" to find

As I say, these sources may already exist but I'm personally not sure what they are. I've found Dev announcements and roadmap information posted all over the place. I wouldn't really know where to go to get the latest updates.

Finally, I realise this involves work and it's easy to make criticisms when your not the guy doing it or paying for it, so I offer this up in the most humble sense, but...

[5] - If Darkcointalk is to be used for any PR, it could do with a bit of a facelift as it's really a "techy" site: small fonts and very...well "dark" colours. Could do with being lighter, more "spacious" and more media oriented rather than "techy"oriented. As I say, I realise many people have done a lot of work on there which has benefited us all, so please take that as constructive input rather than any kind of criticism.

For example, here's a few sites that do a great job simply by being less crammed, more white space around the content and lighter colours:

http://www.screensteps.com

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx

http://www.tradebox.uk.com

A fantastic thing to have would be a new Darkcoin media site that consolidated everything. It's not like we'd be short of content:

 - overview section on Darkcoin
 - news & announcements blog
 - roadmap section
 - technical references: e.g. this could host the masternode stats pages etc

I'm assuming you are talking about me. Hilariously dense response.

I'm not the only one who wants information. See my post above for why it might do the community some good.

We are the market leader, lets remain the market leader.

I would like anything remotely close to what you are saying.

I realize the technology is always changing, and I am happy about that. You don't get anywhere without making incremental improvements to your basic design over time.

We don't need all the information, I think the ring signature aspect could stay secret up until 1-2 weeks before going live. But stuff like IP obfuscation should get some addressing if it is in fact going to be in RC4. There are a multitude of pre-existing ways to accomplish that, so which one have we chosen? By addressing that, you give credence to the incredible claim that OUR COIN HAS FOUND A REPLACEMENT FOR RING SIGNATURES.



Absolutely. I feel like some things should be kept secret and some things should not. However, sharing the tech ideas allows the community to vet it, and although we might not be amazing cryptocurrency programmers, we might have some ideas that are moderate improvements. Even Anonymint would then have enough information to once again engage Evan in technical discussion.

You have a valid point. But don't forget that it was trouble with hard forking that led to the development of the spork technique, which will likely make the growing pains much, much easier in the future.

Some people here who ought to know better are exhibiting painful-to-read levels of delusional entitlement, and failing to see the bigger picture.  

eltito I think is doing a splendid job. As are some of the rest of you, with special mention to duckmuy, who is patiently explaining the bleeding obvious to some of you ungrateful tools, as far as I am concerned.

I look forward to and enjoy reading updates as much as anyone, but releasing every last detail of a WIP is not constructive for reasons that should be obvious with a few moments thought.

Point taken.

Though I feel that this information will come as the tech is set in stone and definitely will be available when Darksend is open-sourced as anybody will be able to take a look at the code.

The real problem is that DRK got sidetracked for nearly two months in fixing masternode payments. And while MN's are needed for the current iteration of Darksend, the issues delayed everything and pushed the coin off message. It has been a stupidly long time since anonymity was discussed in this thread. With MN's mostly out of the way, I think you will get what you are asking for in fairly short order -- maybe even a bit today

Kai... to you goes the best one liner "Storm in a teacup!"   hahahahahaha

Storm in a teacup and autotrolling at its best   All that drama for nothing lol

Hi humanitee.... its been awhile.  your points you raise here are valid and have solid merit.  There does seem to be a bit of a vacuum at times.  It could be helpful  to start a weekly "state of the Union"  address by Evan or someone on the dev team.  Lets say every Friday there is a paper, vidoe feed something of that  nature that everyone can look  forward to.  this be compiled into a weekly statement then released through all the channels, here, IRC,  the website darkcointalk,  media etc etc. This could address the hyper sensitivity to lack of regular information and would give adopters and investors something  to look forward to.  By nature of what we are doing here... it would have to be technical in nature and not a feel good press release,  a real nuts a bolts "where we are at"  this week.   Thoughts?  

I get all my announcements here https://github.com/darkcoinproject/darkcoin/commits/master

I know chaeplin gets his fix there too.