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What you mean "2 tiers of DRK citizens" ? I really did not understand this post, but would like to follow your train of thought
I think I already explained.

Ones that receive "interest" and ones that don't.

The thread's now dominated by masternode holders discussing their masternodes, but they are in the minority amongst holders. Most holders are not masternode'ers. They do not receive interest payments and are not participants in this whole process, yet they're the ones who determine the valuation. I see that as a problem.

It could have a potentially divisive effect on the  stakeholder base by creating an "us and them" atmosphere, particular when all everyone does is bang on about how much their getting from their masternode and nothing about what service masternodes provide to other holders. This needs to be addressed IMO otherwise people will ask "why am I holding this declining value coin just so they can cream off my transaction fees ?".

i.e. non-masternode holders need to see a tangible benefit from the existence of the MN network, otherwise they'll just see it as overhead and dump.
I think you're manufacturing a problem.

People adopting DRK should do enough research to know what masternodes are and what they do and why they should like them. Those who pay so little attention to what they are doing that they don't do this research fall into the category of "I want free money hose, it's not fair that people who work get stuff and my lazy ass doesn't!" These people do not matter and need not be catered to.

If you can barely computer then masternodes shouldn't be trusted to you anyhow. It's working exactly as it should. I think Evan would like it to be more inclusive.

This is the tier level point of separation. No previous coin has had two inclusive metrics of block validation. This is why RC3 has had launch failures. MN Pay Votes and Mining were not playing well together, but had to be boolean exclusive AND to prevent wild forkage. There was no way to enforce that exclusive AND. As we can see, there are people who can be trusted to follow that directive, and those who cannot... Two tiers.

The stupid cannot be trusted because they don't have the sense to know they are causing a problem. Watch Steve Martin's "The Jerk" to learn more.

No one is entitled to run a masternode, and with good reason. Evan is working on stupid-proofing MN Payment Votes in sync with the already-known mining verification stupid-proofing. Once both are stupid-proofed and merged, we won't have problems anymore.

The stupid cannot be trusted because they don't have the sense to know they are causing a problem. Watch Steve Martin's "The Jerk" to learn more.

Once both are stupid-proofed and merged, we won't have problems anymore.

LMFAO!
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What you mean "2 tiers of DRK citizens" ? I really did not understand this post, but would like to follow your train of thought
I think I already explained.

Ones that receive "interest" and ones that don't.

The thread's now dominated by masternode holders discussing their masternodes, but they are in the minority amongst holders. Most holders are not masternode'ers. They do not receive interest payments and are not participants in this whole process, yet they're the ones who determine the valuation. I see that as a problem.

It could have a potentially divisive effect on the  stakeholder base by creating an "us and them" atmosphere, particular when all everyone does is bang on about how much their getting from their masternode and nothing about what service masternodes provide to other holders. This needs to be addressed IMO otherwise people will ask "why am I holding this declining value coin just so they can cream off my transaction fees ?".

i.e. non-masternode holders need to see a tangible benefit from the existence of the MN network, otherwise they'll just see it as overhead and dump.
I think you're manufacturing a problem.

People adopting DRK should do enough research to know what masternodes are and what they do and why they should like them. Those who pay so little attention to what they are doing that they don't do this research fall into the category of "I want free money hose, it's not fair that people who work get stuff and my lazy ass doesn't!" These people do not matter and need not be catered to.

If you can barely computer then masternodes shouldn't be trusted to you anyhow. It's working exactly as it should. I think Evan would like it to be more inclusive.

This is the tier level point of separation. No previous coin has had two inclusive metrics of block validation. This is why RC3 has had launch failures. MN Pay Votes and Mining were not playing well together, but had to be boolean exclusive AND to prevent wild forkage. There was no way to enforce that exclusive AND. As we can see, there are people who can be trusted to follow that directive, and those who cannot... Two tiers.

The stupid cannot be trusted because they don't have the sense to know they are causing a problem. Watch Steve Martin's "The Jerk" to learn more.

No one is entitled to run a masternode, and with good reason. Evan is working on stupid-proofing MN Payment Votes in sync with the already-known mining verification stupid-proofing. Once both are stupid-proofed and merged, we won't have problems anymore.
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Na Zdorovie!
I wonder Masternode setup possible on the Windows operating system ?
sr. member
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Roede94105 here,

Yidakee on IRC #Darkcoin (aka GhostPlayer in this forum) helped me setup my master node today, took about 4 hours, everything went ABSOLUTELY smoothly, he took the time to explain everything and I am now a MN owner thanks to him!

If you have no knowledge like me, but want to setup a MN in a safe way and while protecting the network, contact him!

Yer a wizard, Yida  Grin


My pleasure!!  Grin

for reference, roede did sign up for a Full Masternode Setup, so I did do all the server side setup. And never ever touched the funds.
Total trustless setup!



It takes 4 hours to setup a MN by an expert?

It takes 4 hours to take my hand and make me download ubuntu and learn to use the terminal and setup my own amazon EC2 server and check that I didn't do any mistake etc.


You got trolled on. He has been doing this ever since his discovery of ....



You know why Xnode will be way more decentralized at the end in comparison to DRK?

It takes an expert 4 hours to set up a DRK masternode.  4 hours!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7564470

DRK "trustless" weak point isn't even necessarily in their blockchain, but rather...  Do you really trust the person setting up the masternode for you? Wink

I see.. Fuck this guy.
legendary
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It takes 4 hours to setup a MN by an expert?

 First, if you check my sig, one of the first things I say is I am not an expert.

 Second, I take care of the "dirty" side of it, the VPS setup - quick and efficiently

 Third, I 'm on IRC (or whatever) making sure the Masternode owner, who has no linux skills at all, understand every single step of the way of the local setup and configs (so I dont Teamviewer or something), which I think is crucial to protect the investment, setting up local.cold / remote setup.

And I do it in a manner that makes double sure neither side is able to scam the other. This includes setting up EC2 account from scratch, and local setup.

 And it costs 1% of the total investment.

 Does this offend you?
legendary
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Non MN holders get darksend and maybe the 1000 limit will be reduced in future.  Smiley

Fair enough.

They will have the last say about that though and that will be the one that matters.

Also, darksend will have to do something that other "sends" don't given that it costs something that other sends "don't" (at least that may end up being how the market sees it).
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What you mean "2 tiers of DRK citizens" ? I really did not understand this post, but would like to follow your train of thought

I think I already explained.

Ones that receive "interest" and ones that don't.

The thread's now dominated by masternode holders discussing their masternodes, but they are in the minority amongst holders. Most holders are not masternode'ers. They do not receive interest payments and are not participants in this whole process, yet they're the ones who determine the valuation. I see that as a problem.

It could have a potentially divisive effect on the  stakeholder base by creating an "us and them" atmosphere, particular when all everyone does is bang on about how much their getting from their masternode and nothing about what service masternodes provide to other holders. This needs to be addressed IMO otherwise people will ask "why am I holding this declining value coin just so they can cream off my transaction fees ?".

i.e. non-masternode holders need to see a tangible benefit from the existence of the MN network, otherwise they'll just see it as overhead and dump.


+1

I don't know how feasible this is, but if some kind of POS could be integrated so that DRK holders could earn interest on the coins in their wallet, that would be enough to close the divide IMO. Then DRK enthusiasts have TWO ways of earning coins; those who do not feel competent enough to run a Masternode can still benefit from interest earnings.

POS is working well for certain other coins. Incidentally as a side note I think it is worth congratulating DRK holders for resisting any urges that may have been felt to sell up and hop onto Vericoin. Some other weaker coins have been falling recently - I believe in the mad rush to change sides (which will end in tears for many, as usual!).
sr. member
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What you mean "2 tiers of DRK citizens" ? I really did not understand this post, but would like to follow your train of thought

I think I already explained.

Ones that receive "interest" and ones that don't.

The thread's now dominated by masternode holders discussing their masternodes, but they are in the minority amongst holders. Most holders are not masternode'ers. They do not receive interest payments and are not participants in this whole process, yet they're the ones who determine the valuation. I see that as a problem.

It could have a potentially divisive effect on the  stakeholder base by creating an "us and them" atmosphere, particular when all everyone does is bang on about how much their getting from their masternode and nothing about what service masternodes provide to other holders. This needs to be addressed IMO otherwise people will ask "why am I holding this declining value coin just so they can cream off my transaction fees ?".

i.e. non-masternode holders need to see a tangible benefit from the existence of the MN network, otherwise they'll just see it as overhead and dump.

Non MN holders get darksend and maybe the 1000 limit will be reduced in future.  Smiley
sr. member
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Roede94105 here,

Yidakee on IRC #Darkcoin (aka GhostPlayer in this forum) helped me setup my master node today, took about 4 hours, everything went ABSOLUTELY smoothly, he took the time to explain everything and I am now a MN owner thanks to him!

If you have no knowledge like me, but want to setup a MN in a safe way and while protecting the network, contact him!

Yer a wizard, Yida  Grin


My pleasure!!  Grin

for reference, roede did sign up for a Full Masternode Setup, so I did do all the server side setup. And never ever touched the funds.
Total trustless setup!



It takes 4 hours to setup a MN by an expert?

It takes 4 hours to take my hand and make me download ubuntu and learn to use the terminal and setup my own amazon EC2 server and check that I didn't do any mistake etc.


You got trolled on. He has been doing this ever since his discovery of ....



You know why Xnode will be way more decentralized at the end in comparison to DRK?

It takes an expert 4 hours to set up a DRK masternode.  4 hours!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7564470

DRK "trustless" weak point isn't even necessarily in their blockchain, but rather...  Do you really trust the person setting up the masternode for you? Wink

Oh.. XC troll.. Grin

legendary
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Roede94105 here,

Yidakee on IRC #Darkcoin (aka GhostPlayer in this forum) helped me setup my master node today, took about 4 hours, everything went ABSOLUTELY smoothly, he took the time to explain everything and I am now a MN owner thanks to him!

If you have no knowledge like me, but want to setup a MN in a safe way and while protecting the network, contact him!

Yer a wizard, Yida  Grin


My pleasure!!  Grin

for reference, roede did sign up for a Full Masternode Setup, so I did do all the server side setup. And never ever touched the funds.
Total trustless setup!



It takes 4 hours to setup a MN by an expert?

It takes 4 hours to take my hand and make me download ubuntu and learn to use the terminal and setup my own amazon EC2 server and check that I didn't do any mistake etc.


You got trolled on. He has been doing this ever since his discovery of ....



You know why Xnode will be way more decentralized at the end in comparison to DRK?

It takes an expert 4 hours to set up a DRK masternode.  4 hours!!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7564470

DRK "trustless" weak point isn't even necessarily in their blockchain, but rather...  Do you really trust the person setting up the masternode for you? Wink
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To reduce the "F5" MN payments refresh interval, here is a link that I saw several times on different forums. (Not sure about accuracy).

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

For countries with serious debts problems, the citizens of these countries have at lease one option with crypto currencies (Hey, DRK is a great option).
http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html





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legendary
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What you mean "2 tiers of DRK citizens" ? I really did not understand this post, but would like to follow your train of thought

I think I already explained.

Ones that receive "interest" and ones that don't.

The thread's now dominated by masternode holders discussing their masternodes, but they are in the minority amongst holders. Most holders are not masternode'ers. They do not receive interest payments and are not participants in this whole process, yet they're the ones who determine the valuation. I see that as a problem.

It could have a potentially divisive effect on the  stakeholder base by creating an "us and them" atmosphere, particular when all everyone does is bang on about how much their getting from their masternode and nothing about what service masternodes provide to other holders. This needs to be addressed IMO otherwise people will ask "why am I holding this declining value coin just so they can cream off my transaction fees ?".

i.e. non-masternode holders need to see a tangible benefit from the existence of the MN network, otherwise they'll just see it as overhead and dump.
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Mario knows what's best for his future!  Wink

Some Darkcoiners seem to be really good at graphics/shooping  Grin Grin
sr. member
Activity: 294
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Roede94105 here,

Yidakee on IRC #Darkcoin (aka GhostPlayer in this forum) helped me setup my master node today, took about 4 hours, everything went ABSOLUTELY smoothly, he took the time to explain everything and I am now a MN owner thanks to him!

If you have no knowledge like me, but want to setup a MN in a safe way and while protecting the network, contact him!

Yer a wizard, Yida  Grin


My pleasure!!  Grin

for reference, roede did sign up for a Full Masternode Setup, so I did do all the server side setup. And never ever touched the funds.
Total trustless setup!



It takes 4 hours to setup a MN by an expert?

It takes 4 hours to take my hand and make me download ubuntu and learn to use the terminal and setup my own amazon EC2 server and check that I didn't do any mistake etc.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Roede94105 here,

Yidakee on IRC #Darkcoin (aka GhostPlayer in this forum) helped me setup my master node today, took about 4 hours, everything went ABSOLUTELY smoothly, he took the time to explain everything and I am now a MN owner thanks to him!

If you have no knowledge like me, but want to setup a MN in a safe way and while protecting the network, contact him!

Yer a wizard, Yida  Grin


My pleasure!!  Grin

for reference, roede did sign up for a Full Masternode Setup, so I did do all the server side setup. And never ever touched the funds.
Total trustless setup!



Yes, I should have mentioned that he never asked access for the funds, and every time he copy pasted addresses to win us time, he reminded me to check it was the correct one and not a scam attempt from him.

Perfect.
legendary
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Mario knows what's best for his future!  Wink
sr. member
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Roede94105 here,

Yidakee on IRC #Darkcoin (aka GhostPlayer in this forum) helped me setup my master node today, took about 4 hours, everything went ABSOLUTELY smoothly, he took the time to explain everything and I am now a MN owner thanks to him!

If you have no knowledge like me, but want to setup a MN in a safe way and while protecting the network, contact him!

Yer a wizard, Yida  Grin


My pleasure!!  Grin

for reference, roede did sign up for a Full Masternode Setup, so I did do all the server side setup. And never ever touched the funds.
Total trustless setup!



It takes 4 hours to setup a MN by an expert?
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I feel like screaming like a little giiiirl !!!....Got another MN payout  Grin

I just got another one as well.

But aren't we in danger of creating 2 tiers of DRK "citizens" ?

An "elite" Masternode class who get interest payments, and the rest who get nothing.

This thread is rapidly becoming the domain of the former. They'd better hope their 'lesser' compatriots don't dump for another one that gives them 'staking interest' whatever the size of their holding.

Just saying - we might as well acknowledge and discuss this before the fudsters start ramming it down our throats.


What you mean "2 tiers of DRK citizens" ? I really did not understand this post, but would like to follow your train of thought
He's trying to make a good thing look like a bad thing with socialist class warfare argument.

There are already two tiers: people qualified to run a masternode and lazy whiners who complain that it "isn't fair."

The lazy whiners want money-hose-for-nothing and say it isn't "fair" that people who actually work for what they have get to have what they have. Next they'll vote to tax DRK and give free DRK to the lazy ones...
legendary
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Roede94105 here,

Yidakee on IRC #Darkcoin (aka GhostPlayer in this forum) helped me setup my master node today, took about 4 hours, everything went ABSOLUTELY smoothly, he took the time to explain everything and I am now a MN owner thanks to him!

If you have no knowledge like me, but want to setup a MN in a safe way and while protecting the network, contact him!

Yer a wizard, Yida  Grin


My pleasure!!  Grin

for reference, roede did sign up for a Full Masternode Setup, so I did do all the server side configs. And never ever touched the funds.

Total trustless service!

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