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Quote from: innergy on June 27, 2014, 02:44:03 PM

So every masternode has a 1/15 chance to win hourly (if there are 400).
It could be a long not-winning sequence.. Wink

Hourly? no no no... its a fixed denomination of 20% from a winning block reward. You dont have shares like in a mining pool.

Either you get 1 DRK, or you dont. So in my previous post, the "reality" of 0.8 dRK is even more deceitful as you can either get 1DRK, or you dont.

Making variance even a bigger bitch than she normally is. So yea, it could mean a long not-winning sequence, but by all means this is not a abad thing.

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So every masternode has a 1/15 chance to win hourly (if there are 400).
It could be a long not-winning sequence.. Wink

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Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:13:22 PM

Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

I suck at math, but it goes like this.

Time between blocks = 2.5 mins ... on average
Block per hour = 60/2.5 = 24 blocks per hour... on average
24 blocks * 24 hours = 576 blocks per day... on average
Each block = 5 DRK mining reward. 20% goes to Masternodes. 5 x 0.2 = 1
576 blocks x 1 = 576 DRK per day to the masternodes.
576 / nº masternodes = theoretical payout, per node, per day

Right now, there are 389 active masternodes.

so 576 / 389 = 1,4807 DRK per node, per day... on average

Now... this is only half the story, as we're only half way into full payouts. Payment enforcement is NOT on right now, so these numbers do NOT reflect the reality of things. Informally, I'd say about 50% is properly updated... so around 0.8 DRK per node per day.

Also, dont forget, variance is a bitch! So statistically, let it roll a few days for a normal "N" or "Bell distribution"

Only when Evan turns the "spork" switch on will this math be true. We are currently in "beta payout mode"

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Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:13:22 PM

Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

it's very long since my statistic class but I just tried and came up with this:

h = precentage that a block pays a master node
b = blocks
n = master nodes

chance for 1 masternode to get payed in 1 block:
q = h*1/n

chance for 1 masternode to NOT get payed in 1 block
1-q -> (1-h/n)

Chance for 1 master node to NOT get payed in b blocks:
(1-q)^b -> (1-h/n)^b

chance for 1 master node to get at least 1 payment in b blocks:

m = 1-(1-h/n)^b

So the chance for 1 masternode to get payed in 1 days:

1 day: b= 567
current h = 0.5
n = 400

m = 1-(1-0.5/400)^567 = 0.508

-> 51%

I don't know if its correct..but looks somewhat plausible to me.

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Quote from: camosoul on June 27, 2014, 02:23:02 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: dotnetmin on June 27, 2014, 02:08:00 PM

You have to replace IP with minimum a part of your own ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to get a result
darkcoind masterndode list | grep Xxx.xxx

Sorry I'm a dummy. Thanks!!

Praise be to he who admits he was a dummy, and through this becomes one no longer!

Beats the hell out of remaining a dummy by 'being offended.'

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Oh I do, every day! lol

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Quote from: luigi1111 on June 27, 2014, 02:27:37 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:13:22 PM

Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

Well it will vary wildly with the # of current nodes, but presently we have 379. Using that and assuming we have 100% payouts, we get:

(378/379)^576 = ~78% chance of getting paid in 24 hours
(378/379)^1152 = ~95% chance of getting paid in 48 hours
(378/379)^1728 = ~99% chance of getting paid in 72 hours

Exactly what I was looking for!! Thanks!!

So using that formula and assuming 2/3 of pools are paying (approx 380 blocks per day): 63%, 87%, and 95% respectively. Thanks for teaching me the formula!

P.S. Making a few more assumptions:
Day 1: 230 payments (average of 40% participation); MNs approx. 270
Day 2: 316 payments (average of 55% participation); MNs approx. 360
Day 3: 384 payments (average of 67% participation); MNs approx. 450?

Day 1 odds of receiving a payment are 57%, Day 2 is 78%, Day 3 is
87%.

So it's not inconceivable that some people haven't received payments. Guess I will be patient =)

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Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 01:27:45 PM

Quote from: TanteStefana2 on June 27, 2014, 01:23:26 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 01:10:43 PM

Couple of questions about my MN debug log. I've got several

"Got NEW masternode entry for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:9999"
"Rejected masternode entry"

As well as a "peer=132 says we are misbehaving 20"

And you haven't gotten any payments? Maybe you should pull out the cold wallet, get a new address and send the 1000 dark to it. Then create a new privkey (masternode genkey) and put it in both conf files. Then if you want to put that cherry on the cake, get a new ip address. Start her up again, and it'll probably be OK.

It's a royal pain though.... But if you're not getting payments you might have to do it.

I wish I knew the whys and whatnots of this, but I have no clue. I finally got my second masternode running by redoing everything but the ip address yesterday early early early morning, having stayed up the whole night trying to figure out what I was doing wrong :*(

Have you gotten any payment yet? I did regenerate the masternodeprivkeys last night and updated the server. Haven't tried a new IP. I'm all "green" on the MN pages and listed in darkcoind masternode list.

Watching debug.log right now and everything is looking good except those two things. I'm thinking the "rejected masternode entry" thing is just me rejecting other people's masternodes. Not sure about the misbehaving message. I am seeing my MN vote, so that looks good too.

Oh, I read this but didn't realize it was a question to me, LOL, sorry. Yes, I got one payment, so I assume it works

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Quote from: GhostPlayer on June 27, 2014, 01:38:32 PM

Guys, be patient. Enforcement is not on. MN numbers are rising. Variance is a bitch.
The main thing to do is check with the daemon if your IP is listed as :1

If it is, all is good. chaeplin and elzebereth's list are just a help, but they can be buggy. chaeplin was buggy yesterday, but he fixed it. In any case, they update every 15 to 30 minutes. In the daemon, its virtually instant.

On testnet, one time it took me 44h to get first payout.
Mainnet; I got my first payout 30 minutes after updating to 10.11.4, which was a huge fluke. Since then (more than a day), no more payouts.

Theoretical payout per node, right now is 1.4 DRKs a day (if enforcement was on, which is not, so its about 50% of that). Add variance to that... takes at least 3 days to get some proper stats in.
It sucks, but it is what it is... just like mining. Except, there is no MN pooling to increase payout frequency.

If "darkcoind masternode list | grep IP" gives you back :1 ... then you're good. Just check every so often that it did not drop (for some reason), and wait it out.

If you re-generate IP and create a new genkey, basically, you're dropping yourself from the voting list down to the bottom of the list.

Very helpful, thanks. I think I'm OK, I'll wait.. Wink

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Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:13:22 PM

Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

Well it will vary wildly with the # of current nodes, but presently we have 379. Using that and assuming we have 100% payouts, we get:

(378/379)^576 = ~78% chance of getting paid in 24 hours
(378/379)^1152 = ~95% chance of getting paid in 48 hours
(378/379)^1728 = ~99% chance of getting paid in 72 hours

GambitBTC

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Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:13:22 PM

Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

Approximately threeve

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Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: dotnetmin on June 27, 2014, 02:08:00 PM

You have to replace IP with minimum a part of your own ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to get a result
darkcoind masterndode list | grep Xxx.xxx

Sorry I'm a dummy. Thanks!!

Praise be to he who admits he was a dummy, and through this becomes one no longer!

Beats the hell out of remaining a dummy by 'being offended.'

Facepalm your way to enlightenment...

ddink7

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Just for laughs, can somebody here who is good at statistics give the percentage of MNs that should be paid within 24, 48, and 72 hours at a normal distribution? I'm a history major, so I'm not much help with that =)

ddink7

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Quote from: dotnetmin on June 27, 2014, 02:08:00 PM

Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:02:13 PM

Quote from: GhostPlayer on June 27, 2014, 01:38:32 PM

Guys, be patient. Enforcement is not on. MN numbers are rising. Variance is a bitch.
The main thing to do is check with the daemon if your IP is listed as :1

If it is, all is good. chaeplin and elzebereth's list are just a help, but they can be buggy. chaeplin was buggy yesterday, but he fixed it. In any case, they update every 15 to 30 minutes. In the daemon, its virtually instant.

On testnet, one time it took me 44h to get first payout.
Mainnet; I got my first payout 30 minutes after updating to 10.11.4, which was a huge fluke. Since then (more than a day), no more payouts.

Theoretical payout per node, right now is 1.4 DRKs a day (if enforcement was on, which is not, so its about 50% of that). Add variance to that... takes at least 3 days to get some proper stats in.
It sucks, but it is what it is... just like mining. Except, there is no MN pooling to increase payout frequency.

If "darkcoind masternode list | grep IP" gives you back :1 ... then you're good. Just check every so often that it did not drop (for some reason), and wait it out.

If you re-generate IP and create a new genkey, basically, you're dropping yourself from the voting list down to the bottom of the list.

Just to clarify..."darkcoind masternode list" has my IP on it with :1 at the end. But the command "darkcoind masterndode list | grep IP" doesn't do anything...just returns a blank command line. Am I okay?

You have to replace IP with minimum a part of your own ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to get a result
darkcoind masterndode list | grep Xxx.xxx

Sorry I'm a dummy. Thanks!!

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Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on June 27, 2014, 01:57:05 PM

That's confusing the way the world ought to be with the way that it is. Google for pos proof of and tell me what the first page is full of. Things don't go away just because they have no good reason to exist.

You have presented a premise of Conventional Stupidity as if it were factual. It is only factual if you adopt it as your own.

It's only so because you encourage it to be... It went away for me when I threw it out. I actively remove from my life that which has no good reason to exist. If everyone else fails to do that, sucks to be them...

Neither Google, nor the unwashed masses, define my thoughts for me. If you choose to adopt their ideas that's your choice. It is not mine.

It is a choice we all make. Try not to impose it on others so much, k? It's that subtle slight-of-hand that causes people to make choices that they don't even realize they are making...

You cannot contribute to the Forest. You can only contribute to the Tree. Thus, there is no such thing as collective wisdom, contributing to society, or socialism; the root of these concepts. This is why socialism fails, and any premise predicated upon it; it's not real. It is the lie you tell yourself to feel good about failing to be better than your genetics.

And before you call me crazy... The line between Genius and Insanity is drawn exclusively by those who comprehend neither.

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Quote from: ddink7 on June 27, 2014, 02:02:13 PM

Quote from: GhostPlayer on June 27, 2014, 01:38:32 PM

Guys, be patient. Enforcement is not on. MN numbers are rising. Variance is a bitch.
The main thing to do is check with the daemon if your IP is listed as :1

If it is, all is good. chaeplin and elzebereth's list are just a help, but they can be buggy. chaeplin was buggy yesterday, but he fixed it. In any case, they update every 15 to 30 minutes. In the daemon, its virtually instant.

On testnet, one time it took me 44h to get first payout.
Mainnet; I got my first payout 30 minutes after updating to 10.11.4, which was a huge fluke. Since then (more than a day), no more payouts.

Theoretical payout per node, right now is 1.4 DRKs a day (if enforcement was on, which is not, so its about 50% of that). Add variance to that... takes at least 3 days to get some proper stats in.
It sucks, but it is what it is... just like mining. Except, there is no MN pooling to increase payout frequency.

If "darkcoind masternode list | grep IP" gives you back :1 ... then you're good. Just check every so often that it did not drop (for some reason), and wait it out.

If you re-generate IP and create a new genkey, basically, you're dropping yourself from the voting list down to the bottom of the list.

Just to clarify..."darkcoind masternode list" has my IP on it with :1 at the end. But the command "darkcoind masterndode list | grep IP" doesn't do anything...just returns a blank command line. Am I okay?

You have to replace IP with minimum a part of your own ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx to get a result
darkcoind masterndode list | grep Xxx.xxx

dotnetmin

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We have around 576 DRK per 24h distributed to masternodes if all blocks would be paid.
Asume we have 60-70 % getting paid from pools for now and we have around 380 masternodes we can expect 1 payout within 24h.

Also next to 10 % of total supply of DRK is in use by masternodes.

ddink7

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Quote from: GhostPlayer on June 27, 2014, 01:38:32 PM

Guys, be patient. Enforcement is not on. MN numbers are rising. Variance is a bitch.
The main thing to do is check with the daemon if your IP is listed as :1

If it is, all is good. chaeplin and elzebereth's list are just a help, but they can be buggy. chaeplin was buggy yesterday, but he fixed it. In any case, they update every 15 to 30 minutes. In the daemon, its virtually instant.

On testnet, one time it took me 44h to get first payout.
Mainnet; I got my first payout 30 minutes after updating to 10.11.4, which was a huge fluke. Since then (more than a day), no more payouts.

Theoretical payout per node, right now is 1.4 DRKs a day (if enforcement was on, which is not, so its about 50% of that). Add variance to that... takes at least 3 days to get some proper stats in.
It sucks, but it is what it is... just like mining. Except, there is no MN pooling to increase payout frequency.

If "darkcoind masternode list | grep IP" gives you back :1 ... then you're good. Just check every so often that it did not drop (for some reason), and wait it out.

If you re-generate IP and create a new genkey, basically, you're dropping yourself from the voting list down to the bottom of the list.

Just to clarify..."darkcoind masternode list" has my IP on it with :1 at the end. But the command "darkcoind masterndode list | grep IP" doesn't do anything...just returns a blank command line. Am I okay?

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Quote from: roede94105 on June 27, 2014, 01:43:17 PM

Check your PM's Sir

Likewise

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Quote from: camosoul on June 27, 2014, 01:32:30 PM

Quote from: salmion on June 27, 2014, 12:31:05 PM

Quote from: GhostPlayer on June 27, 2014, 11:54:43 AM

Masternode stats du jour;
Active Masternodes: 387
Price per node: 10037,7 USD
Darkcoin PoS: 3.884589,9 USD

You used the "P" word..

Is there an acronym for Proof of Service? PoService sounds not good. PoServ, ServPro, SP, Service Reward, NR -node reward, ummm.. I don't know..

Since the concept of Proof of Stake is functionally DoA, it doesn't exist. PoS means Proof of Service. There is no acronym for Proof of Stake anymore. Much like DoA means Dead on Arrival. It doesn't mean Dorks on Acid even thought it would format the same way. The acronym does not apply to meaningless, useless, obscure, etc... It applies to that which actually matters and means something.

That's confusing the way the world ought to be with the way that it is. Google for pos proof of and tell me what the first page is full of. Things don't go away just because they have no good reason to exist.

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Quote from: camosoul on June 27, 2014, 01:42:28 PM

Quote from: slapper on June 27, 2014, 01:36:21 PM

Quote from: camosoul on June 27, 2014, 01:32:30 PM

Quote from: salmion on June 27, 2014, 12:31:05 PM

Quote from: GhostPlayer on June 27, 2014, 11:54:43 AM

Masternode stats du jour;
Active Masternodes: 387
Price per node: 10037,7 USD
Darkcoin PoS: 3.884589,9 USD

You used the "P" word..

Is there an acronym for Proof of Service? PoService sounds not good. PoServ, ServPro, SP, Service Reward, NR -node reward, ummm.. I don't know..

Since the concept of Proof of Stake is functionally DoA, it doesn't exist. PoS means Proof of Service. There is no acronym for Proof of Stake anymore. Much like DoA means Dead on Arrival. It doesn't mean Dorks on Acid even thought it would format the same way. The acronym does not apply to meaningless, useless, obscure, etc... It applies to that which actually matters and means something.

And this is why you never mess with ~~Senator~~ camosoul Cool

I resent any association with the concept of government. ;-)

As soon as I saw the "guvpaper" post, I realized I had spoken too soon. Trust me I am not going to mess with you LOL Cool

Perhaps there is NO title that can be bestowed on your free spirit. Keep on keeping on my friend. Respect.

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