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Quote from: camosoul on March 10, 2014, 09:28:08 PM

Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 02:57:19 AM

I'm 5btc deep in this bitch

Amateur... If anyone is left holding the bag, it's gonna be me... ;-) 5btc? pft... I've got more money in DRK than most of you paid for your cars... :-p

I have to buy it. I sure won't be mining it, lol!

I don't think someone who bought BTC at $4 can ever refer to himself as a bagholder. ;P

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Quote from: HammerHedd on March 10, 2014, 10:03:20 PM

I'm pondering your idea... I definitely like the idea (as I wait for my BTC to post to cryptsy) ... But I think you would need a certain amount of each currency to exchange with yourself... But if you had it... why not? What if Darksend could add a second conversion value for a transaction, allowing any other currency to "piggyback" on it... Imagine the pool having not just Darkcoins, but BTC, LTC, DOGE, etc all in each transaction. More layers of concealment... But you WOULD have to make sure that the current pool could support your transaction... and how could you make sure that the conversion wasn't being gamed? You wouldn't want to use a fixed rate, that would be self-defeating.... Hmmm....

BTC/Altcoin -> Counterparty -> DRK
DarkSend that shit
Darksend that shit again (why not?)
DRK -> Counterparty -> BTC/Altcoin

Basically, use DRK for the DarkBank and then just withdraw it as you need it into the other cryptos. That's my plan, anyway.

I should add, the whole point of Dark is that the mixing is decentralized. In order to accomplish what you and the other guy are pondering, you must trust 3rd parties again, which isn't optimal.

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Quote from: daddeo on March 10, 2014, 09:53:34 PM

Quote from: HammerHedd on March 10, 2014, 09:44:13 PM

Quote from: daddeo on March 10, 2014, 09:14:08 PM

And while we're tossing out ideas, I had one earlier- (I know stop the presses) -about a multicoin wallet with DRK as the backbone if you will. This wallet could hold all of ones coins but the beauty is, you could use Darksend for any one of the coins. I'm envisioning a feature rich wallet that allows you to exchange your BTC to DRK with a few clicks and then using Darksend to complete the transaction. This "wallet" environment allows for quick and painless exchange of coins to DRK, adds the anonymity of Darksend, adds DRK to the "mixing pools" or "buckets" as they're described earlier and eliminates higher exchange rates and transaction fees normally accrued through regular exchange procedures. This "pie in the sky" wallet idea could gain the widespread adoption this coin is looking for by not only incorporating the use of any of the established coins which came before it, but also set it so far apart from anything out there that even clones wouldn't stand a chance. But hey, with no technical background in this field whatsoever, I'm not even sure any of that is possible. You want to talk about a difference maker though; from the average Joe's perspective, a "one wallet to rule them all" makes transactions a breeze.

One wallet to rule them all and with the Darksend bind them?

You got it man. No but really, something like that in addition to your suggestion about the messaging, is the kind of "out of the box" thinking that's needed IMHO to set DRK far enough apart from the rest.

I'm pondering your idea... I definitely like the idea (as I wait for my BTC to post to cryptsy) ... But I think you would need a certain amount of each currency to exchange with yourself... But if you had it... why not? What if Darksend could add a second conversion value for a transaction, allowing any other currency to "piggyback" on it... Imagine the pool having not just Darkcoins, but BTC, LTC, DOGE, etc all in each transaction. More layers of concealment... But you WOULD have to make sure that the current pool could support your transaction... and how could you make sure that the conversion wasn't being gamed? You wouldn't want to use a fixed rate, that would be self-defeating.... Hmmm....

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Quote from: HammerHedd on March 10, 2014, 09:44:13 PM

The all-seeing vagina...

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Quote from: AD_Infinitum on March 10, 2014, 09:51:32 PM

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Quote from: goin2mars on March 10, 2014, 07:46:55 PM

I've got a question that may have come up in the past 400 pages . . but I'm not digging through that. Regarding transaction malleability . . has anyone addressed this in this coin? I realize it may not be the biggest issue in the world right now, but with the press coverage this seems like a good thing to strike at while the iron's still hot. I'm pretty sure this would be a non-issue in DarkSend . . but it sounds like there will be a public ledger visible for those that continue to choose to send non-anonymously.I saw Riecoin claiming a workaround to transaction malleability had been implemented in their coin, but have no clue if it actually fixed the issue. I'm just thinking that this could easily invite some welcome coverage amongst major news articles like Gox being taken down because of it. Even if that wasn't the actual case . . thousands of people saw that and accept it. Might be worth looking into is all I'm trying to get across.

Evan will have to answer this one. Although transaction malleability is really the fault of exchanges, not the bitcoin protocol. If exchanges are properly coded, it presents no problem at all.

Ok guys, I've just contacted The Piratebay to ask them to add darkcoin to their list of donation possibilities. Also tweeted to Wikileaks.

He already answered...

Quote from: eduffield on February 16, 2014, 11:14:05 AM

Quote from: kaene on February 16, 2014, 10:47:14 AM

Quote from: Coin-Moron on February 16, 2014, 08:05:09 AM

Does this transaction malleability issue anyways affect the darkcoin transactions in the

future?

I would say "transaction malleability" is more an issue of how 3rd parties implement the transactions than a coin/wallet problem

There were bugs in bitcoins reference implementation that the devs are fixing. I'll pull the changes in when they're done.

OK cool. I was wondering if he was going to fix it himself or wait for the fix, and that answered that completely. Thanks.

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Quote from: HammerHedd on March 10, 2014, 09:44:13 PM

Quote from: daddeo on March 10, 2014, 09:14:08 PM

And while we're tossing out ideas, I had one earlier- (I know stop the presses) -about a multicoin wallet with DRK as the backbone if you will. This wallet could hold all of ones coins but the beauty is, you could use Darksend for any one of the coins. I'm envisioning a feature rich wallet that allows you to exchange your BTC to DRK with a few clicks and then using Darksend to complete the transaction. This "wallet" environment allows for quick and painless exchange of coins to DRK, adds the anonymity of Darksend, adds DRK to the "mixing pools" or "buckets" as they're described earlier and eliminates higher exchange rates and transaction fees normally accrued through regular exchange procedures. This "pie in the sky" wallet idea could gain the widespread adoption this coin is looking for by not only incorporating the use of any of the established coins which came before it, but also set it so far apart from anything out there that even clones wouldn't stand a chance. But hey, with no technical background in this field whatsoever, I'm not even sure any of that is possible. You want to talk about a difference maker though; from the average Joe's perspective, a "one wallet to rule them all" makes transactions a breeze.

One wallet to rule them all and with the Darksend bind them?

You got it man. No but really, something like that in addition to your suggestion about the messaging, is the kind of "out of the box" thinking that's needed IMHO to set DRK far enough apart from the rest.

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Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 10, 2014, 08:01:25 PM

Quote from: goin2mars on March 10, 2014, 07:46:55 PM

I've got a question that may have come up in the past 400 pages . . but I'm not digging through that. Regarding transaction malleability . . has anyone addressed this in this coin? I realize it may not be the biggest issue in the world right now, but with the press coverage this seems like a good thing to strike at while the iron's still hot. I'm pretty sure this would be a non-issue in DarkSend . . but it sounds like there will be a public ledger visible for those that continue to choose to send non-anonymously.I saw Riecoin claiming a workaround to transaction malleability had been implemented in their coin, but have no clue if it actually fixed the issue. I'm just thinking that this could easily invite some welcome coverage amongst major news articles like Gox being taken down because of it. Even if that wasn't the actual case . . thousands of people saw that and accept it. Might be worth looking into is all I'm trying to get across.

Evan will have to answer this one. Although transaction malleability is really the fault of exchanges, not the bitcoin protocol. If exchanges are properly coded, it presents no problem at all.

Ok guys, I've just contacted The Piratebay to ask them to add darkcoin to their list of donation possibilities. Also tweeted to Wikileaks.

He already answered...

Quote from: eduffield on February 16, 2014, 11:14:05 AM

Quote from: kaene on February 16, 2014, 10:47:14 AM

Quote from: Coin-Moron on February 16, 2014, 08:05:09 AM

Does this transaction malleability issue anyways affect the darkcoin transactions in the future?

I would say "transaction malleability" is more an issue of how 3rd parties implement the transactions than a coin/wallet problem

There were bugs in bitcoins reference implementation that the devs are fixing. I'll pull the changes in when they're done.

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Quote from: HammerHedd on March 10, 2014, 09:38:42 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: patrolman on March 10, 2014, 09:26:11 PM

Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 10, 2014, 09:08:43 PM

You guys are amazing - already over 1179 DRK raised to promote darkcoin.

+25 to take it over 1200

It's 1340 now... Not bad.

Edit: http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/mgy4jEpC7Fiw1ahinhoHxVu5ep9yCmPjem

We do love our coin!

[wait, can I say our coin?]

sending 666 to take it over 2000.

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Quote from: daddeo on March 10, 2014, 09:14:08 PM

And while we're tossing out ideas, I had one earlier- (I know stop the presses) -about a multicoin wallet with DRK as the backbone if you will. This wallet could hold all of ones coins but the beauty is, you could use Darksend for any one of the coins. I'm envisioning a feature rich wallet that allows you to exchange your BTC to DRK with a few clicks and then using Darksend to complete the transaction. This "wallet" environment allows for quick and painless exchange of coins to DRK, adds the anonymity of Darksend, adds DRK to the "mixing pools" or "buckets" as they're described earlier and eliminates higher exchange rates and transaction fees normally accrued through regular exchange procedures. This "pie in the sky" wallet idea could gain the widespread adoption this coin is looking for by not only incorporating the use of any of the established coins which came before it, but also set it so far apart from anything out there that even clones wouldn't stand a chance. But hey, with no technical background in this field whatsoever, I'm not even sure any of that is possible. You want to talk about a difference maker though; from the average Joe's perspective, a "one wallet to rule them all" makes transactions a breeze.

One wallet to rule them all and with the Darksend bind them?

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Quote from: patrolman on March 10, 2014, 09:26:11 PM

Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 10, 2014, 09:08:43 PM

You guys are amazing - already over 1179 DRK raised to promote darkcoin.

+25 to take it over 1200

It's 1340 now... Not bad.

Edit: http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/mgy4jEpC7Fiw1ahinhoHxVu5ep9yCmPjem

We do love our coin!

[wait, can I say our coin?]

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Quote from: TanteStefana on March 10, 2014, 06:38:36 PM

Quote from: mattmct on March 10, 2014, 04:40:13 PM

Ah okay, from the previous pop up message, I was expecting to see some values that I could send or something like that. Kinda like "you can send 10DRK / 12.55 DRK" or something lol.

That's actually a good idea! maybe next time eduffield can make a running total "available to darksend" somewhere on the wallet (there's tons of space) then people will also know when they need to denominate, which would keep people from constantly hitting that button and bloating the block chain Tongue

Or add an option to have the wallet denominate at either a set interval OR maintain a certain number of available darksend transactions.

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Quote from: camosoul on March 10, 2014, 09:28:08 PM

Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 02:57:19 AM

I'm 5btc deep in this bitch

Amateur... If anyone is left holding the bag, it's gonna be me... ;-) 5btc? pft... I've got more money in DRK than most of you paid for your cars... :-p

I have to buy it. I sure won't be mining it, lol!

Haha , would love to see that wallet !

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Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 02:57:19 AM

I'm 5btc deep in this bitch

Amateur... If anyone is left holding the bag, it's gonna be me... ;-) 5btc? pft... I've got more money in DRK than most of you paid for your cars... :-p

I have to buy it. I sure won't be mining it, lol!

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Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 10, 2014, 09:08:43 PM

You guys are amazing - already over 1179 DRK raised to promote darkcoin.

+25 to take it over 1200

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And while we're tossing out ideas, I had one earlier- (I know stop the presses) -about a multicoin wallet with DRK as the backbone if you will. This wallet could hold all of ones coins but the beauty is, you could use Darksend for any one of the coins. I'm envisioning a feature rich wallet that allows you to exchange your BTC to DRK with a few clicks and then using Darksend to complete the transaction. This "wallet" environment allows for quick and painless exchange of coins to DRK, adds the anonymity of Darksend, adds DRK to the "mixing pools" or "buckets" as they're described earlier and eliminates higher exchange rates and transaction fees normally accrued through regular exchange procedures. This "pie in the sky" wallet idea could gain the widespread adoption this coin is looking for by not only incorporating the use of any of the established coins which came before it, but also set it so far apart from anything out there that even clones wouldn't stand a chance. But hey, with no technical background in this field whatsoever, I'm not even sure any of that is possible. You want to talk about a difference maker though; from the average Joe's perspective, a "one wallet to rule them all" makes transactions a breeze.

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You guys are amazing - already over 1179 DRK raised to promote darkcoin.

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Quote from: mattress on March 10, 2014, 02:38:11 PM

Is there a mining calculator for this coin? If not, could anyone tell me what my 2.8Mhs (scrypt) rig will produce?

It's hard to say ... the difficulty has been steadily rising. I barely get 5 coins per day atm....

... and lotterymining.com has had terrible luck lately Sad

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Quote from: eduffield on March 10, 2014, 09:51:16 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on March 10, 2014, 07:23:44 AM

Quote from: sukottosan_d on March 10, 2014, 07:12:40 AM

For the record - I think open source is the only way to go - however, again, I think it matters how that is done - it's not as simple as saying - "open source it".

I believe the plan - as per the dev - is to open it once DarkSend has been fully debugged - which I think is entirely reasonable. I think others want it to have a little more momentum in the market and with adoption before it goes open source - which I don't think is unreasonable either. However, it's ultimately the developer's choice - I'm sure though that he will take the input of the community seriously.

I know he has said that closed source is NOT an option in this thread - however, is this on any of the sites so its known to new users?
Because, the community knows that closed source was never an option - but I don't think others do.

Well I know a dev working on paper wallets and brain wallets for DRK. They are unsure on releasing their work to the wild on the idea DRK may be going to use a closed-source model. That's one example alone of the effect using a closed-source model would have on eco-system development outside of the core dev-team. Not publicly releasing your code until your happy with it is one thing but to try and patent it and go closed-source is another. Hopefully the ideas on using a closed model are just that ideas from some guy on the internet and not hints by the dev team testing the water.

No, DarkSend is definitely going to be an opensource project. We'll do some audits and make sure there's nothing wrong with the concepts and code, then open it up. By the way, it's going to be about 10000 lines of code you would have to add to your coin. It's not easy and you could destroy your coin by adding it. So good luck, this isn't like adding KGW. I don't think there will be many coins with developers that confident in their abilities. There's literally not one file that I didn't rip apart to do this.

DarkSend being opensource isn't that big of a deal, I've dedicated at least a couple years of full time work to making this coin successful. Can any other coin compete with a full time dev? It's the innovation that makes a coin like this successful and there's alot of ideas out there I can implement after DarkSend. We'll have one hell of a coin.

DarkSend is backwards compatible with the underlying protocol, so your dev that's working on the paper wallet need not worry.

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FINAL WORD ON OPEN SOURCE

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Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

+42 DRK

(sorry, mining is not easy!)

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Quote from: mattmct on March 10, 2014, 08:22:42 PM

I just had an idea of a good extra potential market for DarkCoin.

While browsing my torrent sites, ...looking for a rip of the latest BBC Top Gear..... I noticed the uploader had "help support us by donating in bitcoin".

I could totally picture them taking on DarkCoin rather than bitcoin as an extra layer of security for them!

Worth reaching out them them some how when the time is right. Would be great if it could become standard.

go ahead! I've contacted piratebay and wikileaks.

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