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Quote from: Gyrsur on December 22, 2015, 08:07:02 PM

ohh, will Decred become Bitcoin 2.0 ? watching with full attention.

At very least Decred will enter into a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship with Bitcoin. That's the goal. Improvements in one will feed into the other (where possible). Development has a lot more freedom in Decred because it's new, so there's room for innovative ideas and experimentation. Hopefully a foundation can be built where it can be kept that way - that's the other goal.

Quote from: bhokor on December 22, 2015, 08:25:23 PM

The potential of this coin is really high, lets see how Dev manage it and above all how they make a cheap marketing campaign that arrives outside of the still small Bitcointalk community, it is the time to go beyond

There's already been some press coverage. There will be some more next week, but as you can imagine, it's an uphill battle. A lot of people in the Bitcoin camp see anything alternative as an attack or a threat. That's not what this is about at all - it's not about competing, but about growing in parallel. Maybe that's just spin on "competition", but you get what's meant by the ideal.

Make sure you guys are signed up for airdrop on the site. Going to sound like a broken record, but the project will benefit from as diverse a group of people as possible.

_ingsoc

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Quote from: ph4nt0m on December 23, 2015, 12:55:34 AM

That's bullshit. FreeBSD runs a generic daemon and Qt GUI just as good as Linux. Devs don't bother to release binaries for these because of tiny user base.

I wouldn't say it's a defining feature of the project, but some of the people developing Decred come from an OpenBSD background (more specifically bitrig). So even though it's a small userbase, Decred runs on *BSD too. That may have been a more accurate way of describing the GUI statement.

That's mostly because the developers had great difficulty in getting the Bitcoin Core client ported to *BSD back in the day, so they started building btcd (which is now a package in btcsuite) from scratch. They then used that opportunity to improve on a bunch of areas where the Bitcoin Core client is lacking - i.e., documentation and test coverage to name two. There's an older CoinDesk article about this called "Developers redo Satoshi software" from early 2013.

Not to start a flame war, but in this case Go (golang) shows a lot more promise for the long-term maintainability of a complex and modular codebase than C/C++ without sacrificing performance. Makes it the perfect foundation for a serious alternative if we want to look beyond the scope of a few years.

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Quote from: ph4nt0m on December 23, 2015, 12:55:34 AM

Quote from: rokkyroad on December 22, 2015, 10:54:28 PM

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Native wallet GUIs for Windows, OS X, *nix, and *BSD

That is interesting. No one that I know of has bothered to make a wallet for BSD let alone a gui wallet. Watching.

That's bullshit. FreeBSD runs a generic daemon and Qt GUI just as good as Linux. Devs don't bother to release binaries for these because of tiny user base.

It's just nonsense: *BSD are variants of "Unix" as is linux, openstep (os X), etc.

ph4nt0m

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Quote from: rokkyroad on December 22, 2015, 10:54:28 PM

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Native wallet GUIs for Windows, OS X, *nix, and *BSD

That is interesting. No one that I know of has bothered to make a wallet for BSD let alone a gui wallet. Watching.

That's bullshit. FreeBSD runs a generic daemon and Qt GUI just as good as Linux. Devs don't bother to release binaries for these because of tiny user base.

rokkyroad

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Native wallet GUIs for Windows, OS X, *nix, and *BSD

That is interesting. No one that I know of has bothered to make a wallet for BSD let alone a gui wallet. Watching.

bhokor

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The potential of this coin is really high, lets see how Dev manage it and above all how they make a cheap marketing campaign that arrives outside of the still small Bitcointalk community, it is the time to go beyond

Gyrsur

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ohh, will Decred become Bitcoin 2.0 ? watching with full attention.

decred

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Quote from: CoinHoarder on December 21, 2015, 10:39:27 PM

Ok, so it is pretty clear what Decred will be at launch. I have one question though, what is the "roadmap" for Decred or does one exist at all? If not, should one exist? It will have self-funding development, development of what though? Obviously, by design the stakeholders choose but it may be good to have a clear direction to start with to avoid conflict/controversies early on.

I would refer you to my latest thread to give you a good starting point: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/in-order-for-a-cryptocurrency-to-be-successful-in-5-years-time-it-must-have-1285787

I value pretty much every option in my poll. Cool

It seems people on the forums value the following more so than other features:

High Scalability
High Transaction Speeds
Privacy / Anonymity
Mobile Wallets
Decentralized Exchanges
Decentralized Markets

Is Decred an "anti gizmos and gadgets" or "kiss" kind of project, or will it fully embrace decentralized blockchain technology and remain experimental/innovative in its future development?

To give you a quick rundown of what Decred will need to work on immediately after launch:

- Sync from btcd (there is a new db branch that brings impressive gains - substantial overhaul of the database layer)
- Native wallet GUIs for Windows, OS X, *nix, and *BSD (there is a native framework being worked on)
- Payment processing from dcr to fiat and support for dcr exchanges (e.g., ShapeShift, Poloniex, etc.)

A key point to remember is that these targets shouldn't take more than a few months, otherwise it's easy to get bogged down if the initial roadmap is too lofty in real terms. Building out from the fundamentals will be a lot more interesting once it's multi-stakeholder too - see what other development parties bring to the table and setting up a communication platform to see what the community wants done (where voting can occur as well).

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Quote from: decred on December 22, 2015, 11:33:18 AM

Quote from: sambiohazard on December 22, 2015, 10:13:46 AM

I think that people confuse innovation with new technology rather than solving existing problems. IMO this field of cryptocurrency is still very new and evolving. This is a complex technology which has many layers, so there is lots of innovation to be had in optimizing already existing code/technology. My view would be to involve Dave Hudson from HashingIt (http://hashingit.com/about-hashingit-com) or someone similar, who can provide right direction or at least some scientific data to decide right direction. We can't make decisions based on idealogy/emotions/greed & speculation but on data & Constitution of decred that is already available.

Also, I don't think any cryptocurrency should try to become a quick payment method if it conflicts with the core principle/strength of bitcoin/decred because its simply inefficient for that purpose by design. If a solution can be found that works alongside what we already have i am pretty satisfied with my tx times. As the decred blog says, some people invested in bitcoin have there own agenda/vision for it which conflicts with decentralization. I don't understand obsession with adoption/payment processing without proper scaling solution. There has to be some profit, financial or not, motive for this crazyness.

One thing the project is experimenting with is setting up a proper web platform geared toward discourse and voting so we as a community can engage and interact in a constructive way - all around the specific notion of software development. There are some really great open-source development efforts in this space, so it's likely Decred will draw on some of these actively maintained packages. Will post an answer to CoinHoarder's question since there is a proper roadmap of things the software absolutely needs, that will share nearly unanimous agreement. That may be a good starting point. But you can imagine with a proper platform, any other development party (or individual) can come along and choose a feature implementation proposal - and get paid for that work. No need to rely on donations and see it stagnate. The project will have continued development from day 1. Finding a way to connect the community to that process using a platform in a constructive way will be excellent, since that'll mean there'll always be a public and transparent pulse of the community-technology interface in the system.

Thanks for replying, i am quite curious about how we can engage most of the community instead of just techies, i mean it has to be some sort of tiered approach so that anyone can come in with a crude idea w/o any technical/coding perspective and then community can help convert it into something like a BIP for bitcoin. Although we need lot of explanatory material to bridge the gap between tech & non-tech crowd because one has to put effort into understanding how things work to make a good proplosal. Without good articles/how-to/video of inner working of things we might easily alienate a lot of people.

decred

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Quote from: sambiohazard on December 22, 2015, 10:13:46 AM

I think that people confuse innovation with new technology rather than solving existing problems. IMO this field of cryptocurrency is still very new and evolving. This is a complex technology which has many layers, so there is lots of innovation to be had in optimizing already existing code/technology. My view would be to involve Dave Hudson from HashingIt (http://hashingit.com/about-hashingit-com) or someone similar, who can provide right direction or at least some scientific data to decide right direction. We can't make decisions based on idealogy/emotions/greed & speculation but on data & Constitution of decred that is already available.

Also, I don't think any cryptocurrency should try to become a quick payment method if it conflicts with the core principle/strength of bitcoin/decred because its simply inefficient for that purpose by design. If a solution can be found that works alongside what we already have i am pretty satisfied with my tx times. As the decred blog says, some people invested in bitcoin have there own agenda/vision for it which conflicts with decentralization. I don't understand obsession with adoption/payment processing without proper scaling solution. There has to be some profit, financial or not, motive for this crazyness.

One thing the project is experimenting with is setting up a proper web platform geared toward discourse and voting so we as a community can engage and interact in a constructive way - all around the specific notion of software development. There are some really great open-source development efforts in this space, so it's likely Decred will draw on some of these actively maintained packages. Will post an answer to CoinHoarder's question since there is a proper roadmap of things the software absolutely needs, that will share nearly unanimous agreement. That may be a good starting point. But you can imagine with a proper platform, any other development party (or individual) can come along and choose a feature implementation proposal - and get paid for that work. No need to rely on donations and see it stagnate. The project will have continued development from day 1. Finding a way to connect the community to that process using a platform in a constructive way will be excellent, since that'll mean there'll always be a public and transparent pulse of the community-technology interface in the system.

aleix

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watching closely

sambiohazard

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Quote from: CoinHoarder on December 21, 2015, 10:39:27 PM

Ok, so it is pretty clear what Decred will be at launch. I have one question though, what is the "roadmap" for Decred or does one exist at all? If not, should one exist? It will have self-funding development, development of what though? Obviously, by design the stakeholders choose but it may be good to have a clear direction to start with to avoid conflict/controversies early on.

I would refer you to my latest thread to give you a good starting point: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/in-order-for-a-cryptocurrency-to-be-successful-in-5-years-time-it-must-have-1285787

I value pretty much every option in my poll. Cool

It seems people on the forums value the following more so than other features:

High Scalability
High Transaction Speeds
Privacy / Anonymity
Mobile Wallets
Decentralized Exchanges
Decentralized Markets

Is Decred an "anti gizmos and gadgets" or "kiss" kind of project, or will it fully embrace decentralized blockchain technology and remain experimental/innovative in its future development?

I think that people confuse innovation with new technology rather than solving existing problems. IMO this field of cryptocurrency is still very new and evolving. This is a complex technology which has many layers, so there is lots of innovation to be had in optimizing already existing code/technology. My view would be to involve Dave Hudson from HashingIt (http://hashingit.com/about-hashingit-com) or someone similar, who can provide right direction or at least some scientific data to decide right direction. We can't make decisions based on idealogy/emotions/greed & speculation but on data & Constitution of decred that is already available.

Also, I don't think any cryptocurrency should try to become a quick payment method if it conflicts with the core principle/strength of bitcoin/decred because its simply inefficient for that purpose by design. If a solution can be found that works alongside what we already have i am pretty satisfied with my tx times. As the decred blog says, some people invested in bitcoin have there own agenda/vision for it which conflicts with decentralization. I don't understand obsession with adoption/payment processing without proper scaling solution. There has to be some profit, financial or not, motive for this crazyness.

zpu

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Watching.

indiemax

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Well done guys on getting to this stage after all this time,

I always believed you had the ability to bring something new to the table

got myself signed up and best wishes for the future

_ingsoc

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Quote from: Cablez on December 21, 2015, 07:44:36 PM

This has been a loong time coming, gentlemen. I am glad to see it finally taking shape outside of the idea phase. Consider me watching this very closely.

Welcome back and nice to see you again! Make sure you sign up for airdrop, in case you missed it.

CoinHoarder

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Quote from: msfeg on December 21, 2015, 12:27:11 PM

lol

wallet dont sync .

I think It hasn't launched yet ...

CoinHoarder

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In Cryptocoins I Trust

Ok, so it is pretty clear what Decred will be at launch. I have one question though, what is the "roadmap" for Decred or does one exist at all? If not, should one exist? It will have self-funding development, development of what though? Obviously, by design the stakeholders choose but it may be good to have a clear direction to start with to avoid conflict/controversies early on.

I would refer you to my latest thread to give you a good starting point: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/in-order-for-a-cryptocurrency-to-be-successful-in-5-years-time-it-must-have-1285787

I value pretty much every option in my poll. Cool

It seems people on the forums value the following more so than other features:

High Scalability
High Transaction Speeds
Privacy / Anonymity
Mobile Wallets
Decentralized Exchanges
Decentralized Markets

Is Decred an "anti gizmos and gadgets" or "kiss" kind of project, or will it fully embrace decentralized blockchain technology and remain experimental/innovative in its future development?

casper77

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Quote from: decred on December 21, 2015, 02:31:16 PM

Quote from: Kingno.1 on December 21, 2015, 12:35:55 PM

how can i partcipate in the @op. I am not a devloper. And whats the last date of applying for this

You can go to https://decred.org and fill in the airdrop form. Let me know if you have problems with it. You can sign up until right before the launch date - but this is tentative as Jan 18th. Obviously a good idea to get in early because waiting that late could cause problems with correspondence between the project and yourself.

"Online presence with reasonable activity"
I filled this form by link to my profile in one of social network, is it right ?
and it would be nice to get an email confirmation, but nothing

Cablez

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I owe my soul to the Bitcoin code...

This has been a loong time coming, gentlemen. I am glad to see it finally taking shape outside of the idea phase. Consider me watching this very closely.

drays

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Quote from: decred on December 21, 2015, 02:31:16 PM

Quote from: Kingno.1 on December 21, 2015, 12:35:55 PM

how can i partcipate in the @op. I am not a devloper. And whats the last date of applying for this

You can go to https://decred.org and fill in the airdrop form. Let me know if you have problems with it. You can sign up until right before the launch date - but this is tentative as Jan 18th. Obviously a good idea to get in early because waiting that late could cause problems with correspondence between the project and yourself.

Just for my curiosity, and not only

- could you please tell how many people already applied..? Thanks!

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